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How much do you/should you spend on food (US)?
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funjen1972 wrote: »Single lady here. I spend maybe $10 - $15 a week on groceries and eat out about once a week at about $25. I pack my breakfast and lunch everyday. I buy things like bulk oatmeal, potatoes, dried beans, cheap veggies, bananas, chicken or pork, anything on clearance, occasionally wine or beer.
I certainly have splurge meals if I have friends over or am making a dish for a pot luck, but I still shop very frugally.
I consider myself exceptionally frugal regarding food and waste...eveything gets used and nothing is discarded.
ive done this too..and once I did this - if I run out to fast food or coffee on the run - I get so sick to my stomach. "o yeah I eat healthy now"
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stanmann571 wrote: »
Which ultimately means that Chicago will be able to sustain those numbers much longer. Whereas when businesses(and workers) start leaving Seattle, the potential bust could leave it looking like Flint or Detroit.
Precisely! A colleague of mine has become very fond of the phrase "revolt or bolt", but this is exactly what those in charge want the oppositions to do - bolt. My behavior allows the irresponsible actions of government to remain irresponsible. Seattle will be the canary in this coalmine. Smart governments will watch this closely and implement correction and corrective/preventive actions.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
Which ultimately means that Chicago will be able to sustain those numbers much longer. Whereas when businesses(and workers) start leaving Seattle, the potential bust could leave it looking like Flint or Detroit.
I think you are stretching credulity with that one. I think houses are a bit overpriced due to a tech boom and an influx of people relative to the amount of available housing. I think that those prices cannot continue to go up or even necessarily stay at their current levels long-term because it is pricing out the labor force and even middle-class professionals from being able to own (or even live at all) in the city. That said I think that equalization will be prices dropping a lot when interest rates go up. Not sure how that makes us a ghost town. The problem isn't a dwindling economy from failing manufacturing industries, it is too much influx of money into too small of an area.
Flint and Detroit didn't end up like they did because they were flush with cash and all the house prices were skyrocketing, they ended up like that because the bottom dropped out of their primary industry that they were a bit too heavily invested in. Seattle has Amazon in distribution, Boeing in manufacturing, Alaska Air and Expedia in travel, Starbucks, Nordstroms, REI and Costco in retail, MSNBC in communications, T-Mobile in cell and Microsoft in software. Seattle has 10 companies on the Fortune 500 headquartered here.Not seeing the bottom dropping out of all of those nor do I see why they would "flee".
Problem isn't the city failing, its that the influx of cash makes it hard to afford to live here. If you give an example of a city that failed and got deserted because there was too much buisness going on there then give that example...Flint and Detroit aren't it.0 -
Found this interesting chart for cost of living in metro areas in the US
Suprised me a bit because looks like Chicago isn't actually that far off from Seattle. That said I'm guessing housing doesn't get calculated into cost of living here.0 -
I just got back to Cincinnati from 10 days in AZ. I was shocked at how cheap produce prices were in Tucson, especially, compared to Ohio. Even things that are typically Midwest grown were more expensive. Made no sense to me at all. I would spend 2/3 of what I spend now living in AZ versus Ohio. I can understand things like oranges or perhaps pecans being cheaper (Green Valley has the largest producer of pecans in the US) but I was seeing strawberries, green beans, asparagus, tomatoes all much cheaper. Perhaps proximity to Mexico made that much difference but it was honestly shocking.0
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Found this interesting chart for cost of living in metro areas in the US
Suprised me a bit because looks like Chicago isn't actually that far off from Seattle. That said I'm guessing housing doesn't get calculated into cost of living here.
What year is this from?0 -
Here's an interesting cost of living index for current and earlier years -- and one that will allow us to focus on groceries!
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/region_rankings_current.jsp?region=0190 -
What year is this from?
Not sure to be honest. It was from a King County website and they referenced the ACCRA data set. Found another site that utilizes that data and has it live. Also breaks it down by cost type.
https://www.payscale.com/cost-of-living-calculator/Illinois-Chicago/Washington-Seattle0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Here's an interesting cost of living index for current and earlier years -- and one that will allow us to focus on groceries!
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/region_rankings_current.jsp?region=019
Cool breakdown but wow...what is going on in Sheridan, WY? Those numbers can't be right can they? A meal in an inexpensive restaurant costs $2.07? A 1 bedroom apartment in the city center is $207 a month? Price to buy is $55 a sqft?
Seattle in comparison a meal in an inexpensive restaurant costs $15. 1 bedroom apartment in city center is $1945 a month. Price per sqft to buy is $577.0 -
I don't think I've ever seen a thread get so derailed on these forums.4
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While I appreciate the cost of living calculators, as someone that has recruited execs for over 20 years (with 100s of relocations), I can attest that most of the websites are wildly inaccurate. Most don't look at suburbs or general areas around an area and don't keep pace with reality.0
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Here, meal at an inexpensive restaurant, $13.50. 1 bedroom city center apartment = $1,783.25. Price per square foot = $328. (Amusingly, my own house (I'm not sure if it would count as city center, as I am 8-9 miles away) = $330/sq ft, although average for my neighborhood = $380/sq ft, according to Trulia, and I live in a house built in 1910 (basically a workers cottage, although it has more sq ft than when it was built), and new construction would be more here.)
I would have said that groceries are quite reasonable here, and they seem to be. Sales tax is nuts but it's only 1% on groceries.1 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »I just got back to Cincinnati from 10 days in AZ. I was shocked at how cheap produce prices were in Tucson, especially, compared to Ohio. Even things that are typically Midwest grown were more expensive. Made no sense to me at all. I would spend 2/3 of what I spend now living in AZ versus Ohio. I can understand things like oranges or perhaps pecans being cheaper (Green Valley has the largest producer of pecans in the US) but I was seeing strawberries, green beans, asparagus, tomatoes all much cheaper. Perhaps proximity to Mexico made that much difference but it was honestly shocking.
I lived in Tucson for several years before moving to Minneapolis and was shocked by how much more food was here. Tucson, overall, has a really low cost of living (at least it did back when I was there).
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To answer the question, I don't think there's an amount you SHOULD spend on food. I spend more than I need to, but I don't see anything wrong with that.1
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »
I think you are stretching credulity with that one. I think houses are a bit overpriced due to a tech boom and an influx of people relative to the amount of available housing. I think that those prices cannot continue to go up or even necessarily stay at their current levels long-term because it is pricing out the labor force and even middle-class professionals from being able to own (or even live at all) in the city. That said I think that equalization will be prices dropping a lot when interest rates go up. Not sure how that makes us a ghost town. The problem isn't a dwindling economy from failing manufacturing industries, it is too much influx of money into too small of an area.
Flint and Detroit didn't end up like they did because they were flush with cash and all the house prices were skyrocketing, they ended up like that because the bottom dropped out of their primary industry that they were a bit too heavily invested in. Seattle has Amazon in distribution, Boeing in manufacturing, Alaska Air and Expedia in travel, Starbucks, Nordstroms, REI and Costco in retail, MSNBC in communications, T-Mobile in cell and Microsoft in software. Seattle has 10 companies on the Fortune 500 headquartered here.Not seeing the bottom dropping out of all of those nor do I see why they would "flee".
Problem isn't the city failing, its that the influx of cash makes it hard to afford to live here. If you give an example of a city that failed and got deserted because there was too much buisness going on there then give that example...Flint and Detroit aren't it.
Flint and Detroit are excellent examples. Because they failed because business was priced out and left. It's happening in Silicon Valley and it certainly could happen to Seattle.1 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
Flint and Detroit are excellent examples. Because they failed because business was priced out and left. It's happening in Silicon Valley and it certainly could happen to Seattle.
Seattle's economy isn't based on one business though like was the case with Detroit and Flint whose economies were squarely rested on the automotive industry. There are many fortune-500 sized companies operating out of Seattle in very different areas. If tech crashes we still have Costco, Nordstroms, REI, T-mobile, Alaska Air and Boeing for example. If manufacturing crashes still have MSNBC, Microsoft and Amazon. Don't see how they are all going to get priced out at a similar time.0 -
It's hard to judge as we will buy stuff on sale and put in the pantry or freeze it so we only do grocery shopping once a month. I could never live with having to go to the store every week.1
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »
Seattle's economy isn't based on one business though like was the case with Detroit and Flint whose economies were squarely rested on the automotive industry. There are many fortune-500 sized companies operating out of Seattle in very different areas. If tech crashes we still have Costco, Nordstroms, REI, T-mobile, Alaska Air and Boeing for example. If manufacturing crashes still have MSNBC, Microsoft and Amazon. Don't see how they are all going to get priced out at a similar time.
Manufacturing and programming are lower cost in India. Not saying its going to happen but I bet nobody thought the Detroit in the late 1950s would become today's Detroi either1 -
two adults and we spend $600 per month on all food and all supplies (excluding gas) does that seem like a lot?
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Just to freak out you Seattle people, in 1972, just out of law school, we bought a nice 2 story house on 3rd West for 23,500 dollars, a few blocks up from Seattle Pacific Universty. We sold it in 1990 for 210,000, it was converted to 3 townhouses with a current value of around 3.5 million dollars.
Total, unsustainble economic insanity, IMHO.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »
Manufacturing and programming are lower cost in India. Not saying its going to happen but I bet nobody thought the Detroit in the late 1950s would become today's Detroi either
But what makes Seattle particularly vulnerable?0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »
But what makes Seattle particularly vulnerable?
The companies you mentioned above:
Amazon in distribution, Boeing in manufacturing, Alaska Air and Expedia in travel, Starbucks, Nordstroms, REI and Costco in retail, MSNBC in communications, T-Mobile in cell and Microsoft in software.
Nordstrom will go they way of other brick and mortar retailers soon. The others real core competency (with the exception of Boeing) and were the employees make any money is tech.
You can do tech from anywhere. Lots of lower cost places in the US, not to mention India, Eastern Europe, etc.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »
The companies you mentioned above:
Amazon in distribution, Boeing in manufacturing, Alaska Air and Expedia in travel, Starbucks, Nordstroms, REI and Costco in retail, MSNBC in communications, T-Mobile in cell and Microsoft in software.
Nordstrom will go they way of other brick and mortar retailers soon. The others real core competency (with the exception of Boeing) and were the employees make any money is tech.
You can do tech from anywhere. Lots of lower cost places in the US, not to mention India, Eastern Europe, etc.
So what city isn't vulnerable then? I guess what I am saying is you just seem to be generically doomsaying, not being specific to why these particular companies are more vulnerable than any of the other companies headquartered in any other city. Got a bunch of people acting like Seattle specifically is on some precipice it is about to leap off of and I'm wondering why. Why Seattle specifically? Like for example why is Seattle more vulnerable than say San Francisco for example?
Yeah the housing prices are inflated, but that is because Seattle is booming. Sure booms go bust and people who bought when it was absurdly high will lose out...but that doesn't mean the entire city is about to implode or go bankrupt like what happened to Detroit and Flint where they were mono-industrial and that one industry went belly up.1 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »
So what city isn't vulnerable then? I guess what I am saying is you just seem to be generically doomsaying, not being specific to why these particular companies are more vulnerable than any of the other companies headquartered in any other city. Got a bunch of people acting like Seattle specifically is on some precipice it is about to leap off of and I'm wondering why. Why Seattle specifically? Like for example why is Seattle more vulnerable than say San Francisco for example?
Yeah the housing prices are inflated, but that is because Seattle is booming. Sure booms go bust and people who bought when it was absurdly high will lose out...but that doesn't mean the entire city is about to implode or go bankrupt like what happened to Detroit and Flint where they were mono-industrial and that one industry went belly up.
Both of the cites mentioned are among the highest cost of living in the US. People demand big$ to work there, employers say, what benefit do I get from this?1 -
How much to spend on food, I believe was the original question. Which I believe seems to have gotten a wee bit off track. Which the off track group I totally get because COL in the different big, and midsize cities varies a great deal and from coast to coast as well. And from my days of being involved in it at work it is all over the place for food, rent, mortgage, gas, and other items that goes into the cost of living from how it was viewed in 1960, 1980, 2000, and the last one I saw back in 2000. Lots of wild swings and even what was counted where.
I remember looking at one in year 2010 that talked about doing a budget weekly and monthly called the average American food budget for NY and area again we were given zip codes to include, Chicago area (meant out to Aurora area) LA area, they gave us zip codes to include, Irvine Texas with zip codes, Tampa area with zipcodes.
One of the first questions asked was did they mean strictly items that were edible? If so where did we put items for cleaning, and where did Pet food go? As real people need a place for that somewhere in their budget. At first they came back and said I kid you not, well just items you buy monthly. After laughing in one of our calls, we went back and said um yes most people are buying some type of household cleaning or keep the household running item once a month. Same with Petfood and or catlitter, or other animal supplies. We did them separate but they were then added into what was known as the household all inclusive budget including food, and supplies.
But how to spend, varies on how much you are willing to spend. What type of exact diet you are following. There is no black and white answer for how one should spend while being on a diet of any kind that I have seen or even followed. Example I really like fish, I also like chicken. And most green vegetables. So to get my protein in I will buy more fish, which is not cheap. So willing to sacrifice other things so I can buy Sea Bass and Halibut, Red Snapper high protein. When on sale I buy 4-5 pounds and cut up in 6oz pieces and freeze. For berries I go hand pick much cheaper bug bites are worth it, eat some fresh rest I freeze. But in end my choice. Pretty much have stopped buying any drinks outside of house. Another way to save money. Again done on choice. Good Luck.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »
Both of the cites mentioned are among the highest cost of living in the US. People demand big$ to work there, employers say, what benefit do I get from this?
I think you have it backwards man. It isn't that Amazon pays its tech employees large salaries so that they can afford to live in Seattle...it is that Amazon pays its tech employees large salaries in order to attract the best people and as a result housing costs in Seattle have gone up with the competition and influx of people with disposable incomes.
The issue isn't that housing costs in Seattle are going to drive out tech buisnesses, it is that tech buisnesses are driving up housing costs in Seattle which threaten to push out the general labor force.4 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Would people find dollar amounts or percentage of income more useful for comparison? Both can get pretty skewed depending on where you live.
Percentage of income is probably not best, because everyone's income is different. However I'm guessing we spend about half my fairly decent income on food for a family of four. Mortgage is clear, but I do have other loans now.
Just this past week I've started a fresh attempt to actually track our spending properly. Might be able to post a more accurate position in a few weeks time.0 -
You seriously need your own thread, its actually quite boring and irritating having to skim past your non stop posts about property pricing, stop hijacking the thread.11
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Percentage of income is probably not best, because everyone's income is different. However I'm guessing we spend about half my fairly decent income on food for a family of four. Mortgage is clear, but I do have other loans now.
Just this past week I've started a fresh attempt to actually track our spending properly. Might be able to post a more accurate position in a few weeks time.
That seems like an enormous amount. Is it that food costs are much higher where you live, do you think? Or do you have a particularly pricey budget?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »
That seems like an enormous amount. Is it that food costs are much higher where you live, do you think? Or do you have a particularly pricey budget?
Our food is heavily taxed and that makes it expensive. The other thing is, I might be looking at my whole supermarket bill, but some supermarket stuff is not really "food", although it's bought at the same place.
As stated earlier, I will soon get a better idea of the true percentage now that I've started documenting properly again.0
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