Keto or no keto?
Replies
-
vgentile990 wrote: »vgentile990 wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »vgentile990 wrote: »Keto would be the quickest way to shed weight. And never have to be at a calorie deficit
As long as you get passed the adaptation period
Please explain how one would lose weight without creating a caloric deficit?
Do you mean water weight?
There's no magic to being keto for weight loss, a calorie deficit is still needed.
Calorie deficit- weight loss
Please post your sources for this information and any relevant research to support your claim.
I’ve been eating anywhere from 1500 to 1700 calories a day and lost 50lbs in a year ... when I reach my goal and began going to the gym I upped it to 2000 ... either of those number don’t seem to be a deficit... right? I was eating significantly less calories when I was heavier. I don’t think the calories matter it more the quality of food that makes the difference
Actually, 1500 is the minimum calories recommended for men, so 1500-1700 cals is almost definitely a deficit. Regardless, if an overweight, adult male is eating less than 1500 cals and not losing weight they should go to a university hospital to be studied and documented.
I'm not going to touch the rest, as we were earlier asked not to debate in this thread.
Is the 1500 calories for men on the standard American diet or you referring to keto ... for me that’s a lot of food ... the only reason I can now consume 2000 is because of the gym
It makes no difference what the diet is. 1500 is the minimum for males for calorie intake. You are in a calorie deficit.4 -
vgentile990 wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »vgentile990 wrote: »Keto would be the quickest way to shed weight. And never have to be at a calorie deficit
As long as you get passed the adaptation period
Please explain how one would lose weight without creating a caloric deficit?
Do you mean water weight?
There's no magic to being keto for weight loss, a calorie deficit is still needed.
Calorie deficit- weight loss
Please post your sources for this information and any relevant research to support your claim.
I’ve been eating anywhere from 1500 to 1700 calories a day and lost 50lbs in a year ... when I reach my goal and began going to the gym I upped it to 2000 ... either of those number don’t seem to be a deficit... right? I was eating significantly less calories when I was heavier. I don’t think the calories matter it more the quality of food that makes the difference
2000 cals is a huge deficit for me. My TDEE is around 2700-2800 and I'm a 5'5", 140 lb woman.5 -
vgentile990 wrote: »100_PROOF_ wrote: »vgentile990 wrote: »Keto would be the quickest way to shed weight. And never have to be at a calorie deficit
As long as you get passed the adaptation period
Please explain how one would lose weight without creating a caloric deficit?
Do you mean water weight?
There's no magic to being keto for weight loss, a calorie deficit is still needed.
Calorie deficit- weight loss
Please post your sources for this information and any relevant research to support your claim.
I’ve been eating anywhere from 1500 to 1700 calories a day and lost 50lbs in a year ... when I reach my goal and began going to the gym I upped it to 2000 ... either of those number don’t seem to be a deficit... right? I was eating significantly less calories when I was heavier. I don’t think the calories matter it more the quality of food that makes the difference
As 2500 cals is often given as an average TDEE for men then yes your numbers are likely to be a very significant deficit - which is why you lost weight.
In summer, despite being an old fart, my maintenance is around 3000.
I got fat eating high quality home cooked food, just too much of it so yes, calorie balance is what determines weight loss/gain/maintenance.7 -
I’ve been eating anywhere from 1500 to 1700 calories a day and lost 50lbs in a year ... when I reach my goal and began going to the gym I upped it to 2000 ... either of those number don’t seem to be a deficit... right? I was eating significantly less calories when I was heavier. I don’t think the calories matter it more the quality of food that makes the difference
Actually, 1500 is the minimum calories recommended for men, so 1500-1700 cals is almost definitely a deficit. Regardless, if an overweight, adult male is eating less than 1500 cals and not losing weight they should go to a university hospital to be studied and documented.
I'm not going to touch the rest, as we were earlier asked not to debate in this thread.
Is the 1500 calories for men on the standard American diet or you referring to keto ... for me that’s a lot of food ... the only reason I can now consume 2000 is because of the gym
[/quote]
If you don't count calories, how do you know how many you are consuming??
11 -
vgentile990 wrote: »No source or science ... I self experiment to see what works best for me .... I also fast for 12 hours which contribute to my weight loss
Hi Paul.
You might want to take the sock puppet off of your hand or you will never catch that dream you been a chasin.14 -
johnslater461 wrote: »vgentile990 wrote: »No source or science ... I self experiment to see what works best for me .... I also fast for 12 hours which contribute to my weight loss
Hi Paul.
You might want to take the sock puppet off of your hand or you will never catch that dream you been a chasin.
Ded.
6 -
Keto rules!!11
-
Do you enjoy eating fruit, bread, pasta, potatoes, desserts and sweets?
If the answer is yes, keto probably isn't for you.
Weight loss comes down to eating at a calorie deficit, so you can lose weight while continuing to enjoy all your favourite foods.
People are drawn to keto because of the initial motivating water weight loss and some health benefits and appetite suppression it can provide. But it's not magic, and for many people (including me), it simply wasn't sustainable longterm.7 -
-
Do you enjoy eating fruit, bread, pasta, potatoes, desserts and sweets?
If the answer is yes, keto probably isn't for you.
Weight loss comes down to eating at a calorie deficit, so you can lose weight while continuing to enjoy all your favourite foods.
People are drawn to keto because of the initial motivating water weight loss and some health benefits and appetite suppression it can provide. But it's not magic, and for many people (including me), it simply wasn't sustainable longterm.
With the exception of fruit, I enjoyed all the things you listed so very much that I was overweight for six years and just couldn’t shake it. Every attempt to limit or moderate those foods failed utterly, because I really, really enjoy eating them.
Then I tried keto, stopped craving those foods at all, and the weight came right off as a result. Plus now I can taste the sweetness of fruit much more clearly, and enjoy it tremendously, and eat some daily while staying in ketosis. So it’s really win-win-win for me.
I would discourage people from trying keto if less complicated approaches already work for them; no need to make eating harder than it has to be. But I wouldn’t call liking bread a disqualifying trait for trying it out, when it might just as easily be the opposite.9 -
vgentile990 wrote: »I’m not one to give advice. I just stated what worked for me. Calorie counting isn’t for me. Doing keto was a way to naturally burn my own fat, while being able to eat until I’m full
Everyone is different and has to experiment to see what helps them achieve there goal
Sounds like you’re another person who is confusing CICO (the basic energy balance which drives all weight loss, gain and maintenance) with Calorie Counting (a method people use to track their intake and burn in order to ensure they have their energy balance at the right level to achieve your goals).
Whether you count calories or do keto, or do both as many successful people here do - you must be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. I’m not sure why you’re skeptical of your own numbers, they support the concept of CICO since you said when you go to the gym you can eat more calories - you increased your CO so you can increase your CI as well. And I’m a 5’2 female who would definitely lose eating 1500-1700 cals and even still lose slowly eating 2000 cals. Why do you doubt these numbers for yourself?2 -
FlyingMolly wrote: »Do you enjoy eating fruit, bread, pasta, potatoes, desserts and sweets?
If the answer is yes, keto probably isn't for you.
Weight loss comes down to eating at a calorie deficit, so you can lose weight while continuing to enjoy all your favourite foods.
People are drawn to keto because of the initial motivating water weight loss and some health benefits and appetite suppression it can provide. But it's not magic, and for many people (including me), it simply wasn't sustainable longterm.
With the exception of fruit, I enjoyed all the things you listed so very much that I was overweight for six years and just couldn’t shake it. Every attempt to limit or moderate those foods failed utterly, because I really, really enjoy eating them.
Then I tried keto, stopped craving those foods at all, and the weight came right off as a result. Plus now I can taste the sweetness of fruit much more clearly, and enjoy it tremendously, and eat some daily while staying in ketosis. So it’s really win-win-win for me.
I would discourage people from trying keto if less complicated approaches already work for them; no need to make eating harder than it has to be. But I wouldn’t call liking bread a disqualifying trait for trying it out, when it might just as easily be the opposite.
Nicely said.
3 -
I’ve been eating anywhere from 1500 to 1700 calories a day and lost 50lbs in a year ... when I reach my goal and began going to the gym I upped it to 2000 ... either of those number don’t seem to be a deficit... right? I was eating significantly less calories when I was heavier. I don’t think the calories matter it more the quality of food that makes the difference
Actually, 1500 is the minimum calories recommended for men, so 1500-1700 cals is almost definitely a deficit. Regardless, if an overweight, adult male is eating less than 1500 cals and not losing weight they should go to a university hospital to be studied and documented.
I'm not going to touch the rest, as we were earlier asked not to debate in this thread.
Is the 1500 calories for men on the standard American diet or you referring to keto ... for me that’s a lot of food ... the only reason I can now consume 2000 is because of the gym
If you don't count calories, how do you know how many you are consuming??
I know because I put them into the app but not tracking them for a specific purpose other then reaching my keto macros daily
6 -
Some medical conditions are greatly helped by a ketogenic diet, but otherwise it's really not something you need to do if you're just looking for general fat/weight loss. If going low/lower carb or keto is something you want to do and think will help you stick to a deficit I recommend checking out the low carb group here:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
Lots of good folks there that can help with more specific advice, information, and recipe ideas.
This is true. A friend of mine was just diagnosed with Liver Disease and her doctor put her on a Ketogenic diet. Since I have been Keto for awhile she has been coming to me with some questions. She says she feels much better than she did before the diagnosis.5 -
I want to thank everyone that has responded to the posts I’ve been putting on this thread. I didn’t even realize i was under eating. Even though I feel good and get through my day just fine. My body may not be at its best nutritional balance. I’m gonna slowly increase my calories and see what affect it has on my body
Thank you everyone once again. I’ve just started going on the community part of the app last week and see how helpful it can be5 -
I did Low Calorie with lots of exercise and lost 90 lbs over 18 months. The first 60 lbs came off in 30 weeks, then the rate of loss slowed down significantly. I maintained a weight of 180 to 190 for a two years but had to continue to keep my calories low in the 1500 range to maintain. I found I was always cold, especially my extremities. My resting heart rate was down into the low 50 bpm. I am convinced I had slowed my metabolism down.
Despite maintaining my low calories I did eventually gain 35 lbs back over the past 2 years and often cold. I started Keto 3 months ago and I have dropped 20 lbs, extremities and body are always warm now so I actually believe that I have been able to help reset my metabolism.
My daily calories are around the same as before when maintaining and slightly gaining......but now I am dropping weight again so I figure there has to be something to it. I feel that Low Calorie for too long of a time certainly can slow your metabolism.
Also there sure are a lot of experts on here who are quite quick to dismiss the Ketosis. There is a science to it, and personally I would recommend it to anyone especially if you have been on Low Calorie for an extended period of time.
12 -
Do you enjoy eating fruit, bread, pasta, potatoes, desserts and sweets?
If the answer is yes, keto probably isn't for you.
Honestly, I think it's hard to say. For example, when I was an omnivore if you had asked me if I could ever give up dairy, I probably would have said no because I ate it a lot (especially cheese). When I became vegan, not only did I not eat cheese, I didn't really have much interest in cheese replacements (a few of which are pretty okay imo). So I would say maybe if you're interested in trying keto, that you just try it.
It's hard to know ahead of time what will be difficult for you. Tastes can change over time, at least that's been my experience with being vegan and I could imagine something similar occurring with keto (although admittedly, I have no direct keto experience or interest).5 -
I did Low Calorie with lots of exercise and lost 90 lbs over 18 months. The first 60 lbs came off in 30 weeks, then the rate of loss slowed down significantly. I maintained a weight of 180 to 190 for a two years but had to continue to keep my calories low in the 1500 range to maintain. I found I was always cold, especially my extremities. My resting heart rate was down into the low 50 bpm. I am convinced I had slowed my metabolism down.
Despite maintaining my low calories I did eventually gain 35 lbs back over the past 2 years and often cold. I started Keto 3 months ago and I have dropped 20 lbs, extremities and body are always warm now so I actually believe that I have been able to help reset my metabolism.
My daily calories are around the same as before when maintaining and slightly gaining......but now I am dropping weight again so I figure there has to be something to it. I feel that Low Calorie for too long of a time certainly can slow your metabolism.
Also there sure are a lot of experts on here who are quite quick to dismiss the Ketosis. There is a science to it, and personally I would recommend it to anyone especially if you have been on Low Calorie for an extended period of time.
There's science... and then there's blogs and money grubbers pretending to be science who are luring desperate people with outlandish claims.5
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 392.9K Introduce Yourself
- 43.7K Getting Started
- 260.1K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.8K Food and Nutrition
- 47.4K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 415 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 152.9K Motivation and Support
- 7.9K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.6K MyFitnessPal Information
- 23 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.5K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions