Why are slim people slim?
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psychod787 wrote: »There is some research that talks about active people partitioning nutrients better.1
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https://bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/calorie-partitioning-part-1.html/
Its lyle McDonald talking about insulin sensitivity. I was speaking of leanness btw.
So what controls insulin sensitivity? As always, a host of factors. One is simply genetic, folks can vary 10 fold in their sensitivity to insulin. Another is diet. Diets high in carbohydrates (especially highly refined carbohydrates), saturated fats and low in fiber tend to impair insulin sensitivity. Diets with lowered carbohydrates (or less refined sources), healthier fats (fish oils, monounsaturated fats like olive oil) and higher fiber intakes invariably improve insulin sensitivity.
Another major factor is activity which influences insulin sensitivity in a number of ways. The first is that muscular contraction itself improves insulin sensitivity, facilitating glucose uptake into the cell. Glycogen depletion (remember this, it’s important) improves insulin sensitivity as well.
So what else controls the P-ratio. As it turns out, the primary predictor of P-ratio during over- and under-feeding is bodyfat percentage. The more bodyfat you carry, the more fat you tend to lose when you diet (meaning less muscle) and the leaner you are, the less fat you tend to lose (meaning more muscle). The same goes in reverse: naturally lean (but NOT folks who have dieted to lean) individuals tend to gain more muscle and less fat when they overfeed and fatter individuals tend to gain more fat and less muscle when they overfeed.1 -
I will admit to not watching the video but just reading the comments. If it is talking about slim people who have been slim all their lives, it's interesting but not really applicable to most of us. I think once you get on the diet bandwagon you ruin the intuitive relationship with food. I know I did when I was 15. And have yo yo'd every since.
Some folks who have been maintaining for years can get back there but many like me will probably never get there. Yes - we can form better habits and I have seen my activity levels increase in general in maintenance but I am sad to say,I am still obsessed with food and the scale and probably always will be.11 -
SummerSkier wrote: »I will admit to not watching the video but just reading the comments. If it is talking about slim people who have been slim all their lives, it's interesting but not really applicable to most of us. I think once you get on the diet bandwagon you ruin the intuitive relationship with food. I know I did when I was 15. And have yo yo'd every since.
Some folks who have been maintaining for years can get back there but many like me will probably never get there. Yes - we can form better habits and I have seen my activity levels increase in general in maintenance but I am sad to say,I am still obsessed with food and the scale and probably always will be.
I'd encourage you to watch the video. Yes, these people have been slim all their lives, which means that a lot of the behaviors that keep their CI = CO are unconscious. But just because we don't do these things unconsciously doesn't mean we can't learn anything from it. We don't do it automatically but we can learn to do it, which means it can become a habit.5 -
Hungry_Shopgirl wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »I will admit to not watching the video but just reading the comments. If it is talking about slim people who have been slim all their lives, it's interesting but not really applicable to most of us. I think once you get on the diet bandwagon you ruin the intuitive relationship with food. I know I did when I was 15. And have yo yo'd every since.
Some folks who have been maintaining for years can get back there but many like me will probably never get there. Yes - we can form better habits and I have seen my activity levels increase in general in maintenance but I am sad to say,I am still obsessed with food and the scale and probably always will be.
I'd encourage you to watch the video. Yes, these people have been slim all their lives, which means that a lot of the behaviors that keep their CI = CO are unconscious. But just because we don't do these things unconsciously doesn't mean we can't learn anything from it. We don't do it automatically but we can learn to do it, which means it can become a habit.
I completely agree. It's entirely possible to mimic these behaviors. For example, I may not reduce my food intake unconsciously after a heavy day, but I can do it consciously. I may not move a lot without noticing throughout the day, but I can move deliberately.6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Hungry_Shopgirl wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »I will admit to not watching the video but just reading the comments. If it is talking about slim people who have been slim all their lives, it's interesting but not really applicable to most of us. I think once you get on the diet bandwagon you ruin the intuitive relationship with food. I know I did when I was 15. And have yo yo'd every since.
Some folks who have been maintaining for years can get back there but many like me will probably never get there. Yes - we can form better habits and I have seen my activity levels increase in general in maintenance but I am sad to say,I am still obsessed with food and the scale and probably always will be.
I'd encourage you to watch the video. Yes, these people have been slim all their lives, which means that a lot of the behaviors that keep their CI = CO are unconscious. But just because we don't do these things unconsciously doesn't mean we can't learn anything from it. We don't do it automatically but we can learn to do it, which means it can become a habit.
I completely agree. It's entirely possible to mimic these behaviors. For example, I may not reduce my food intake unconsciously after a heavy day, but I can do it consciously. I may not move a lot without noticing throughout the day, but I can move deliberately.
It would be nice if I could flip the switch so I had to remind myself to eat instead of having to remind myself to limit portions, don't graze on chips and what not that are out at parties/gatherings, etc. I would rather have to make an adjustment if I notice I am getting too thin instead of watching for too much gained.7 -
CarvedTones wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Hungry_Shopgirl wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »I will admit to not watching the video but just reading the comments. If it is talking about slim people who have been slim all their lives, it's interesting but not really applicable to most of us. I think once you get on the diet bandwagon you ruin the intuitive relationship with food. I know I did when I was 15. And have yo yo'd every since.
Some folks who have been maintaining for years can get back there but many like me will probably never get there. Yes - we can form better habits and I have seen my activity levels increase in general in maintenance but I am sad to say,I am still obsessed with food and the scale and probably always will be.
I'd encourage you to watch the video. Yes, these people have been slim all their lives, which means that a lot of the behaviors that keep their CI = CO are unconscious. But just because we don't do these things unconsciously doesn't mean we can't learn anything from it. We don't do it automatically but we can learn to do it, which means it can become a habit.
I completely agree. It's entirely possible to mimic these behaviors. For example, I may not reduce my food intake unconsciously after a heavy day, but I can do it consciously. I may not move a lot without noticing throughout the day, but I can move deliberately.
It would be nice if I could flip the switch so I had to remind myself to eat instead of having to remind myself to limit portions, don't graze on chips and what not that are out at parties/gatherings, etc. I would rather have to make an adjustment if I notice I am getting too thin instead of watching for too much gained.
Yeah, that would be nice, but for some of us (or at least for me), it's simply not in the cards. I don't like what ifs. It is what it is, so I'll make the best out of what I have and be happy doing it. I feel like "achievement unlocked" every time I manage to discover a new working strategy to add to my arsenal.8 -
Genetics, mostly. The naturally fit people I know have never 'dieted' a single day in their lifetime.
I no longer believe in diets of any kind. Dieting in the teenage years precedes destructive eating behaviors in the adult years. It can lead to a lifetime of being on a diet and then eating it all back. Rebounding with every pound plus friends.
There's no such thing as the finish line with your overall health and wellbeing. Positive behaviors after a lifetime of dieting are not difficult to adopt. Just practice, practice, practice until they become your skills in your wheelhouse.
When you have the equipment you need, new cognitive behaviors..they will give you confidence. Naturally fit people can be consistent or inconsistent with their life choices. They remain at their original factory settings without dieting.
Reverse dieting is my goal. I want to return to my original factory settings. Back to the time when dieting was the last thing on my mind and my weight was always stable. My internal cues were naturally working without getting stuck in the numbers.11 -
Genetics, mostly. The naturally fit people I know have never 'dieted' a single day in their lifetime.
^This. I watched the video and read all of the comments.
I truly feel genetics enters into this to a certain extent. Also different metabolisms?
Whether they are in tune with their actual bodily needs or just "eat to live" instead of "live to eat", and naturally know when to quit.
All I know for sure is that it seems sometimes that all I have to do is look at something and gain weight.
I know that my husband (normal weight) eats at least 5 times as much as I do and never gains. (43 years married) Doesn't seem fair, but that is the way it is.
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I believe that dieting and overrestriction in youth is the number one destroyer of a naturally healthy metabolism.
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I believe that dieting and overrestriction in youth is the number one destroyer of a naturally healthy metabolism.
I don't think that's the case for me. I was a chubby child, a fat teenager, then an obese adult. I never even considered dieting until a few years ago and had zero restrictions in my youth. I just love food and eat a lot of it.8 -
Genetics, mostly. The naturally fit people I know have never 'dieted' a single day in their lifetime.
I no longer believe in diets of any kind. Dieting in the teenage years precedes destructive eating behaviors in the adult years. It can lead to a lifetime of being on a diet and then eating it all back. Rebounding with every pound plus friends.
There's no such thing as the finish line with your overall health and wellbeing. Positive behaviors after a lifetime of dieting are not difficult to adopt. Just practice, practice, practice until they become your skills in your wheelhouse.
When you have the equipment you need, new cognitive behaviors..they will give you confidence. Naturally fit people can be consistent or inconsistent with their life choices. They remain at their original factory settings without dieting.
Reverse dieting is my goal. I want to return to my original factory settings. Back to the time when dieting was the last thing on my mind and my weight was always stable. My internal cues were naturally working without getting stuck in the numbers.
This. Totally this. I think it is possible to return to those original factory settings. I believe the longer you are in maintenance, the more it becomes natural and instinctive as far as food management goes. It may be harder for some, or take longer to get to this point, but I do believe it happens and when it does, it makes life easier. I love the best part of the above quote" "There's no such thing as the finish line with your overall health and wellbeing." That is just so dead on ... at least it is for me!!!6 -
Very interesting.
Me.
Ages
0 to 15 underweight because I really didn't care about food & only ate when I needed to.
15 to 35 overweight after meeting my Italian wife & eating too much high Carb Italian foods.
35 to 49 Yoyo dieted from obese back to normal weight several times & didn't really know why.
Fast forward to today. Since January of this year did my research & studied the science behind Macro's and foods to completely remove from my diet because frankly they will kill me some-day.
Bingo it's like a light switch went on.
Now I'm back to a normal BMI level & completely understand how I did it & how to maintain it.
Knowledge is power!!1 -
I’d like to watch this video sometime when I’m not working I find it interesting how people maintain a healthy weight without trying.0
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I'd be curious to see how they were raised. I bet they weren't pushed to be members of the 'clean plate club' or warned about starving kids in Asia/Africa. If I had to hazard a guess, their parents were likely active people, as well and family gatherings likely revolved more around interacting and games in the yard than stuffing their faces..
Maybe. Who knows.6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Hungry_Shopgirl wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »I will admit to not watching the video but just reading the comments. If it is talking about slim people who have been slim all their lives, it's interesting but not really applicable to most of us. I think once you get on the diet bandwagon you ruin the intuitive relationship with food. I know I did when I was 15. And have yo yo'd every since.
Some folks who have been maintaining for years can get back there but many like me will probably never get there. Yes - we can form better habits and I have seen my activity levels increase in general in maintenance but I am sad to say,I am still obsessed with food and the scale and probably always will be.
I'd encourage you to watch the video. Yes, these people have been slim all their lives, which means that a lot of the behaviors that keep their CI = CO are unconscious. But just because we don't do these things unconsciously doesn't mean we can't learn anything from it. We don't do it automatically but we can learn to do it, which means it can become a habit.
I completely agree. It's entirely possible to mimic these behaviors. For example, I may not reduce my food intake unconsciously after a heavy day, but I can do it consciously. I may not move a lot without noticing throughout the day, but I can move deliberately.
Yup!
Case in point: I was on vacation Tuesday and Wednesday last week. I ate *more* than TDEE on both days.
Thursday, Friday, Saturday? I actually wasn't all that hungry, and ate under TDEE, by about the same amount that I was over.
My moving weight average? I've lost 1.2 pounds from last Tuesday until today. And that's *with* having cyclical water weight right now.2 -
xbowhunter wrote: »Very interesting.
Me.
Ages
0 to 15 underweight because I really didn't care about food & only ate when I needed to.
15 to 35 overweight after meeting my Italian wife & eating too much high Carb Italian foods.
35 to 49 Yoyo dieted from obese back to normal weight several times & didn't really know why.
Fast forward to today. Since January of this year did my research & studied the science behind Macro's and foods to completely remove from my diet because frankly they will kill me some-day.
Bingo it's like a light switch went on.
Now I'm back to a normal BMI level & completely understand how I did it & how to maintain it.
Knowledge is power!!
Murderous foods... Yikes! I hope my loaf of bread doesn't kill me in my sleep12 -
Hungry_Shopgirl wrote: »xbowhunter wrote: »Very interesting.
Me.
Ages
0 to 15 underweight because I really didn't care about food & only ate when I needed to.
15 to 35 overweight after meeting my Italian wife & eating too much high Carb Italian foods.
35 to 49 Yoyo dieted from obese back to normal weight several times & didn't really know why.
Fast forward to today. Since January of this year did my research & studied the science behind Macro's and foods to completely remove from my diet because frankly they will kill me some-day.
Bingo it's like a light switch went on.
Now I'm back to a normal BMI level & completely understand how I did it & how to maintain it.
Knowledge is power!!
Murderous foods... Yikes! I hope my loaf of bread doesn't kill me in my sleep
I mean, some loafs make really awesome baseball bats. A little doughy in the middle, but a good sharp crust can do some damage.2 -
kommodevaran wrote: »elisa123gal wrote: »some of us care about and enjoy food more than others. period. For those who can take it or leave it.. they are natually skinny. It;s a dead end tryng to relate to them.
understand yourself...modify your behavior to get the result you want. a food lover can never honestly change their behavior to a person who doesn't care much about food.
Overweight people try hard to limit themselves around food they like, but will eat much as possible of whatever, as long as it's cheap or free and nobody's looking, whenever their resolve weakens, and it does frequently, because so much mental energy is spent avoiding taste and enjoyment and berating themselves and possibly envying others. Overweight people are always ready to eat because they're not sure when the next opportinity arises. Rationally, of course they know they can eat as much as they want at any time, and that that's actually part of the problem, but the other part of the problem is that most food decisions are made irrationally. Not "derangedly", but based on emotions, not just the physical need for nutrition. A diet mentality is self-imposed food scarcity. Lots of advice fails because this isn't taken into consideration.
I agree I think mentally the moment you tell yourself I can't have this or that it flips a deprivation switch and then you tend to at some point go crazy because you denied yourself for a while.
Another pet peeve of mine is when people will say, I had something "bad" or I was "bad" today because I had two pieces of pizza. Drives me nuts!!!! Food is not bad...just enjoy in moderation.
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Surprised nobody mentioned the bit about how alcohol 'changes the way we process sugar and fat'...
Anyway, she doesn't snack. She might eat fast food for lunch but there's no mention of what soda she drinks. She skips meals. So of course, eating more the rest of the time is not a huge deal. She fidgets a lot and I guess she's getting her 10000 steps a day or close?
For him, well, he walks to the station every day, he saves treats for lunch... I love how he rewards himself for his gym class with food... lol. But I ate a ridiculous amount of food and never gained weight either when I worked in the city and took the subway too...
Both eat homemade meals. Both eat very little sweets (really, a few cookies and a cupcake don't count).
I liked the bit about how we have a different approach to food if we call it a lunch or snack.
Love the piece of sleep because I keep seeing people who get 5 hours of sleep only so they can go to the gym and I'm still not sure it's actually a good choice...
Anyway, the takeaway for me is that activity has a HUGE role, which isn't really a surprise, and I'll still shake my head at the 'you can lose weight without being active' advice...
But the whole 'mindset' bit - sure, it's a mindset towards food that lets them self-regulate, but it comes from habit. Telling people who need to lose weight that they have to change their mindset is not that easy, as they would have to form the habit first. And there's no mention of how hungry they are. They eat less the day after they have bigger meals, but I know that, personally, I'm not always less hungry the next day...
The question really is 'how do you get that mindset?'. That's where it might be genetics (I don't believe in the 'low metabolism genes' BS). My kids are adopted and both my husband and I are overweight (I'll always be overweight in my mind because I definitely do not have the 'healthy weight' mindset), they snack a lot, but they are both on the lower BMI scale. They have that 'off switch'. We don't. Where does it come from? But I remember reading about that stuff when they were babies and how the way your parents feed you can have a role in it too (like adding rice in bottle can mess up babies hunger signals or how forcing them to finish a bottle can do that too). So maybe it's something that you acquire (or not) when you're a child? Clearly there needs to be more research about this.5
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