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Bicycling Gender gap?
amandaeve
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It's obvious more men ride bikes than women (75% vs. 25% in the US according to the link below). The articles in the link below look into women who don't ride and why. I am a woman who rides a bike, so obviously I don't identify with the group of focus. I'm curious to hear from real people- are these reasons true? The reasons women don't ride bikes seem to be the same reasons a woman would decide not to do anything that's male-dominated, which is a great number of things.
There are some interesting articles linked here: https://www.cascade.org/womxnbike
Why are Womxn Underrepresented in Biking and Bike Advocacy?
There’s no single reason for this trend – both cultural barriers and a lack of consideration for womxn’s needs in this space contribute. The top three reasons that are cited consistently are:
Lack of safe, protected and connected bike networks to ride on. While important to all people on bikes, in studies womxn have been identified as relatively more concerned about protected bicycle infrastructure. Furthermore, womxn are more likely to be primary caregivers and are more likely to consider the needs of children when asked to judge whether bike infrastructure is safe and comfortable to ride on.
Harassment from other road users – people biking, and people driving. While this is an issue for everyone on a bike, it disproportionately impacts womxn who are less likely to ride due to the harassment they may face.
Lack of confidence and/or feelings of not “fitting in” as “someone who bikes”.
There are some interesting articles linked here: https://www.cascade.org/womxnbike
Why are Womxn Underrepresented in Biking and Bike Advocacy?
There’s no single reason for this trend – both cultural barriers and a lack of consideration for womxn’s needs in this space contribute. The top three reasons that are cited consistently are:
Lack of safe, protected and connected bike networks to ride on. While important to all people on bikes, in studies womxn have been identified as relatively more concerned about protected bicycle infrastructure. Furthermore, womxn are more likely to be primary caregivers and are more likely to consider the needs of children when asked to judge whether bike infrastructure is safe and comfortable to ride on.
Harassment from other road users – people biking, and people driving. While this is an issue for everyone on a bike, it disproportionately impacts womxn who are less likely to ride due to the harassment they may face.
Lack of confidence and/or feelings of not “fitting in” as “someone who bikes”.
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I'm only a minor biker; I'm mostly a rower.
I live in a very fortunate area. Still, I talk to other women who feel unsafe because they simply feel unsafe alone in the outdoors in general, but I (and they, mostly) have no personal, direct experiences to support the conclusion of 'unsafeness". (Here I'm talking about recreational biking, where one has choices about place and time, not commuting, which could be a whole different story.) I can't speak for all women in all places, but here, among the women I know, there is some definite self-limiting going on. Like it or not, that's a choice we are making.
I'm not saying there are no problems or incidents. Still, I know women who bike regularly and lots. I'm sure, overall, there are special problems for women. I also suspect timidity and "expectations" play a role.
Again, I can only speak for my area and circumstances; Mid-sized urban area set in suburban/rural sprawl, US mid-west (Great Lakes area). I have no hesitation biking by myself, even as a li'l ol' lady. Others do.
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I don't bike and never have.
I didn't really learn as a kid. I was obsessed with my roller skates back then and couldn't be bothered with bikes. I would feel awkward about learning to ride a bike in my 40's. I guess that is lack of confidence, not wanting to take the time to learn and fear of injuring/embarrasing myself.
I can't really afford to spend the money on a bike for me.
I feel comfortable walking around my town and do so often. I have not been harrased while out walking so I don't think people would harrass me on a bike. There are not really special bike lanes or trails around here though. I think adult bikers are less common here.3 -
I tried biking but the reason I didn’t keep at it was simply because bike seats are incredibly uncomfortable for me! I tried all kinds of “comfort”seats and gel padding, etc, but I guess my anatomy just wasn’t built for bike seats. I got tired of suffering bruised pelvic bones and not to mention the inconvenience of riding during that time of the month, no thanks! I’m a runner, though and have no problem going on the road or out on the trails by myself. I do take as many protective measures as I can and know and accept the risks because they are far outweighed by the benefits (for me). Also, isn’t it kind of well-known that cyclists often have low bone density? Perhaps some women are wary of this and don’t want to risk it since we already have to worry about it as we age.4
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My main reason is the lack of bike lanes in my area. The roads around me don't have shoulders to ride or walk in either. I have started riding but just down to a large parking lot that I can ride around in.3
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It's reasonably bike-friendly where I am, but the main reason I see is not feeling safe on the road or having a good place to ride and, yes, probably not feeling as comfortable riding alone in less populated areas/trails if they don't have someone to ride with. Probably also social/cultural issues like not feeling as comfortable taking a long time away during a weekend day for a longer ride if they have children at home/a partner not into it or needing to get kids to school so it being harder to work in bike commuting.
I do know lots of women who bike, however (and I bike some), and locally there's a women-focused bike shop that does bike maintenance classes, has group rides, and so on.
I enjoy biking but find running more relaxing just because of things like traffic or time to get to a less busy place to ride. Running is out the door and on the sidewalk, easy.2 -
I don't cycle for a few reasons.
1. Money to buy and outfit a bike that works with street/off-road (rough track) riding.
2. There are biking trails around, but they are either not made for casual riding or too far for me to cycle there, cycle for a certain time, cycle back.
3. Humans.
4. Leary of being hit by a car again.
5. The weather here is shizzle for cycling. I prefer to cycle in warm, sunny weather.2 -
I don't bike anymore because I moved from a city in MI with super wide streets and plenty of room to a colonial city in PA with very narrow roads and angry drivers. I still occasionally hit up a rail trail with my friends, but I compete in powerlifting so most of my free time for exercise is taken up by that.2
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Where I used to work the cyclists were all men. The women were more likely to take group classes or walk on lunch breaks. I love to ride myself.1
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I consider myself a recreational bicycling enthusiast. I am selective about the bike paths/trails that I use due to personal safety concerns. I bike on urban paths with a bicycle club and on those particular trails, it is the only way I would. I would not consider bicycling on vehicle roadways. The concept of "share the road" is beyond the drivers in this area.
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My own experience...
I cycle commute every day year-round, and I'm lucky enough to have a bike storage and locker/shower facilities for cyclists at my office tower.
There is parking for 65 bikes and it looks very full this time of year. Yet, I am invariably completely alone in the women's locker room from September to May and only occasionally do I ever see another woman even June-August. There are tons of men I run into daily or weekly parking my bike, but no women.
My city has only recently made an effort to improve bike infrastructure, but last year they opened kilometres of dedicated bike lanes and upgraded multi-use paths to make bike commuting friendier, and it makes me sad that it still seems to be such a male activity when it's now really safe and protected for everyone. They even plow and de-ice the lanes in winter!
I personally will only ride where there are bike lanes, multiuse paths, or on non-major roads in residential areas for safety reasons, but in a city where that is possible to do, it's unfortunate that so few do. We do also have extreme winters (snow often Oct-May, weeks of -40 temperatures, and this year we had something like 170 days consecutively reaching below freezing), which I understand makes a lot of people unwilling to cycle...but I do it and it's really not that bad. I know not everyone is willing to bike through a foot of snow and two inches of ice in -20C week after week, but still, in spring/summer/fall it is a great way to get some exercise in.4 -
I thought I'd share a perspective from Europe.
I currently live in Stockholm, Sweden which is a very cycle friendly city.
We have well over 800Km (500miles) of cycle lanes/tracks in and around the city. We even have mini-snow plows to keep them snow free and gritted in the winter and most of them have street lighting (even the running tracks in the forest have street lighting).
There are lots of places to lock bikes around and many parking garages also now have bike lockers. You'll even find free pumping stations around in case you loose tire pressure.
I just looked it up and there are approx 150,000 cycle commutes per day in the metro area and just over half are by women. (The pop. of the metro area is 2.2m for reference).
My work regularly takes me to the Netherlands and Denmark and things are really very similar there too with many more cyclists overall and no gender gap apparent.
I think if you make cycling accessible and as safe as can be then people (regardless of gender) will and do take to their bikes.
However, and conversely, I did the Stockholm Velothon (170Km bike ride) last year and is was overwhelmingly MAMIL (Middle Aged Men In Lycra) with only a smattering of ladies. This isn't the case for the large participation running races we have here or even the many obstacle races we have. I've notice over the last few years the numbers of ladies doing those has increased significantly.7 -
I used to ride my bike all the time as a way to get around when I was younger, but not for exercise. I don't ride for exercise simply because I prefer running and it is more accessible to me, especially when traveling3
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I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.6
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RachelElser wrote: »I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.
Is that really an issue? I'm not trying to downplay it or make light of the situation, but is that really a wide-reaching concern to the point that it's a significant limiting factor? "being kidnapped, raped, and murdered"?
I don't doubt women think/worry about it more than men... I guess I'm wondering if it's an issue for women because they worry about it, or do they worry about it because it's an issue.5 -
RachelElser wrote: »I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.
Is that really an issue? I'm not trying to downplay it or make light of the situation, but is that really a wide-reaching concern to the point that it's a significant limiting factor? "being kidnapped, raped, and murdered"?
I don't doubt women think/worry about it more than men... I guess I'm wondering if it's an issue for women because they worry about it, or do they worry about it because it's an issue.
In my own experience, (I preface this by saying I live in a Canadian capital city of about a million and bike/run/walk daily), I have been chased while running and had men attempt to stop me and pull me off my bike multiple times while on multiuse trails in my city. About two weeks ago, I also had a man leave a restaurant when he saw me leaving with a female friend and our bikes and attempt to follow us until stopped by a bystander, and that's not an isolated event.
It doesn't happen daily, but I would say that I am approached by someone aggressively every couple of weeks, whether that's a drunk guy trying to grab my backpack as I ride past him, a man stopping to tell me I should get in his car, or whatever. I'm not afraid for my life or thinking I'm going to be "kidnapped, raped, and murdered" all the time, but I do need to be cognizant of my physical safety frequently and take steps to protect myself, like running only on well-populated, well-lit streets, staying out of arms' reach and away from blind corners or clumps of trees or whatever on my bike, and planning routes that keep me visible to traffic.17 -
OP - My experience is most women that ride do so with boyfriends or husbands or in groups...emphasis is on the word "most." There are many cycling groups in town here including all-women and co-ed groups. I think group rides tend to be the safest as opposed to being a solo cyclist on an isolated bit of road or trail.
My wife cycles, but she is just beginning and I have a hard time riding as slow as she does for more than 30 minutes, but I will do so when there are some questionable characters on the trails we ride on.
While our trails are largely very safe, there was a hammer attack last year...and the attacker happened to attack a female trainer. They never caught him but I bet he was surprised to find that his "target" fought back and fought for her life as well.
FWIW - I mostly ride solo and many miles on very isolated trails. I am also armed.1 -
I don't bike mainly for safety reasons. An accident with a motor vehicle would lead to potential serious injury and there are way too many idiot drivers for me to take the risk. I walk and jog, mainly on sidewalks which I feel provides a safer experience.
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RachelElser wrote: »I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.
Is that really an issue? I'm not trying to downplay it or make light of the situation, but is that really a wide-reaching concern to the point that it's a significant limiting factor? "being kidnapped, raped, and murdered"?
I don't doubt women think/worry about it more than men... I guess I'm wondering if it's an issue for women because they worry about it, or do they worry about it because it's an issue.
I'm not sure if it's really a reasonable worry for anyone- statistically you're very unlikely to get kidnapped/raped/murdered by a rando stranger, but those stats do go up if you are a woman. It's probably not going to be that extreme, but most women have been creeped on just living life- someone groping us on the bus, someone who won't take 'no, I won't give you my number' for an answer, someone who think it's funny to shout inappropriate things, etc.
Women are often taught it's a fact of life and 'boys will be boys' or 'men can't control their urges'. Women don't talk about it because we get stuff like, "well he was drunk", "what were you wearing", "were YOU drunk?" It's changing (I think) but slowly.6 -
monkeefan1974 wrote: »I tried biking but the reason I didn’t keep at it was simply because bike seats are incredibly uncomfortable for me! I tried all kinds of “comfort”seats and gel padding, etc, but I guess my anatomy just wasn’t built for bike seats. I got tired of suffering bruised pelvic bones and not to mention the inconvenience of riding during that time of the month, no thanks! I’m a runner, though and have no problem going on the road or out on the trails by myself. I do take as many protective measures as I can and know and accept the risks because they are far outweighed by the benefits (for me). Also, isn’t it kind of well-known that cyclists often have low bone density? Perhaps some women are wary of this and don’t want to risk it since we already have to worry about it as we age.
The "comfort" seats and gel padding over the seat is about the worst thing you can do saddle wise. A good saddle should fit your sit bones and padded cycling shorts help a lot.
In regards to the low bone density thing, that's really mostly an issue for elite level, professional cyclists. The studies that were done saw no difference in bone density for recreational cycling enthusiasts.
As to the OP, my wife will only cycle with me or one of her friends...mostly because it doesn't matter how many times I show her how to change a flat, she's worried she won't be able to do it.3 -
RachelElser wrote: »RachelElser wrote: »I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.
Is that really an issue? I'm not trying to downplay it or make light of the situation, but is that really a wide-reaching concern to the point that it's a significant limiting factor? "being kidnapped, raped, and murdered"?
I don't doubt women think/worry about it more than men... I guess I'm wondering if it's an issue for women because they worry about it, or do they worry about it because it's an issue.
I'm not sure if it's really a reasonable worry for anyone- statistically you're very unlikely to get kidnapped/raped/murdered by a rando stranger, but those stats do go up if you are a woman. It's probably not going to be that extreme, but most women have been creeped on just living life- someone groping us on the bus, someone who won't take 'no, I won't give you my number' for an answer, someone who think it's funny to shout inappropriate things, etc.
Women are often taught it's a fact of life and 'boys will be boys' or 'men can't control their urges'. Women don't talk about it because we get stuff like, "well he was drunk", "what were you wearing", "were YOU drunk?" It's changing (I think) but slowly.
This, so much this. Statistically kidnappings and rape are done by someone known to the victim, like around 95% or a similarly high number. The problem is because stranger rape is so rare it gets a lot of media attention and therefore is perceived to be very common.
I regularly go running after dark, something I know not of women do out of fear. My only worry is tripping over or being hit by a driver who didn't see me. The possibility of being kidnapped/raped never really crosses my mind. For reference I don't live in the US.
As far as biking, I simply don't enjoy it, that's why I don't do it.3 -
RachelElser wrote: »RachelElser wrote: »I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.
Is that really an issue? I'm not trying to downplay it or make light of the situation, but is that really a wide-reaching concern to the point that it's a significant limiting factor? "being kidnapped, raped, and murdered"?
I don't doubt women think/worry about it more than men... I guess I'm wondering if it's an issue for women because they worry about it, or do they worry about it because it's an issue.
I'm not sure if it's really a reasonable worry for anyone- statistically you're very unlikely to get kidnapped/raped/murdered by a rando stranger, but those stats do go up if you are a woman. It's probably not going to be that extreme, but most women have been creeped on just living life- someone groping us on the bus, someone who won't take 'no, I won't give you my number' for an answer, someone who think it's funny to shout inappropriate things, etc.
Women are often taught it's a fact of life and 'boys will be boys' or 'men can't control their urges'. Women don't talk about it because we get stuff like, "well he was drunk", "what were you wearing", "were YOU drunk?" It's changing (I think) but slowly.
This, so much this. Statistically kidnappings and rape are done by someone known to the victim, like around 95% or a similarly high number. The problem is because stranger rape is so rare it gets a lot of media attention and therefore is perceived to be very common.
I regularly go running after dark, something I know not of women do out of fear. My only worry is tripping over or being hit by a driver who didn't see me. The possibility of being kidnapped/raped never really crosses my mind. For reference I don't live in the US.
I'm similar, and yes I sometimes run after dark/before it's light.
My worry about biking is being doored or hit by a car (on the streets, even in bike lanes in some areas) or hit by some idiot (on a really busy bike trail) or just not enjoying it when the crowds are overwhelming (same). I do it anyway, but those are limiting factors.1 -
honestly until folks in the cycling world start taking the gender gap seriously you won't see many changes (i.e. bike ads with women featured that talk about the advantages of electric bikes and "how i can keep up with my husband" marketing)...i'm a cyclist and a triathlete and its something that we struggle with...added to that, the way i've seen/heard how my friends have been treated by male cyclists (having to be "explained" multiple times how to pick a pace group; or basically treated like idiots)5
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RachelElser wrote: »I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.
Is that really an issue? I'm not trying to downplay it or make light of the situation, but is that really a wide-reaching concern to the point that it's a significant limiting factor? "being kidnapped, raped, and murdered"?
I don't doubt women think/worry about it more than men... I guess I'm wondering if it's an issue for women because they worry about it, or do they worry about it because it's an issue.
In my own experience, (I preface this by saying I live in a Canadian capital city of about a million and bike/run/walk daily), I have been chased while running and had men attempt to stop me and pull me off my bike multiple times while on multiuse trails in my city. About two weeks ago, I also had a man leave a restaurant when he saw me leaving with a female friend and our bikes and attempt to follow us until stopped by a bystander, and that's not an isolated event.
It doesn't happen daily, but I would say that I am approached by someone aggressively every couple of weeks, whether that's a drunk guy trying to grab my backpack as I ride past him, a man stopping to tell me I should get in his car, or whatever. I'm not afraid for my life or thinking I'm going to be "kidnapped, raped, and murdered" all the time, but I do need to be cognizant of my physical safety frequently and take steps to protect myself, like running only on well-populated, well-lit streets, staying out of arms' reach and away from blind corners or clumps of trees or whatever on my bike, and planning routes that keep me visible to traffic.
That's pretty frightening! I'm pretty sure I live in the same city as you based on your description but I haven't had anything that disturbing happen to me when I run, and I frequently run quite late in the evening or early in the morning.
I don't actually have a bike or I would bike commute to work more often since there's a dedicated multi-use trail right past my house that goes all the way to work (only 5 km away). I do occasionally run home from work though. I have the path to myself most days when I do.1 -
deannalfisher wrote: »honestly until folks in the cycling world start taking the gender gap seriously you won't see many changes (i.e. bike ads with women featured that talk about the advantages of electric bikes and "how i can keep up with my husband" marketing)...i'm a cyclist and a triathlete and its something that we struggle with...added to that, the way i've seen/heard how my friends have been treated by male cyclists (having to be "explained" multiple times how to pick a pace group; or basically treated like idiots)
So how does that work? Is it a psychological thing, or..?
If a woman is talked down to about cycling/by a cyclist.. If an ad is for an ebike that will help her keep up with her husband...- Does she consciously say "screw you, I won't ride then if you're going to be an *kitten* about it"?
- Does she simply not feel welcomed, and thus is hesitant to step into that arena?
- Is there something in her subconscious that tells her cycling isn't for women?
- How does she know/decide that she's being condescended to because she's a woman rather than a beginner?
Sorry if those are stupid questions. As a guy who has no interest in the social aspects of cycling and who is far more apt to encounter deer and porcupines during a ride than pedestrians, this whole conversation is very foreign to me.
And yes, I know anyone who weighs in here isn't speaking for all women everywhere.0 -
i think its more the dismissive nature of the ads - like women are weaker and need an electric bike to keep up - when i know a good many who beat most men...why would a man not use an ebike...why was the ad (which i believe the company withdrew) only focus on women?
or for example - my friend who just moved and went out for a group ride this past weekend....she opted to go with the B group (since she was new to the area) - probably could have easily kept up with the A group since she does 21+ mph on avg...but one guy in the group kept approaching her about how "was she sure she could keep up" or "just in case, here are the speeds for the C group" or "are you sure you know how fast the B group is going" - stuff like that2 -
I love to cycle and never really considered the "gender" aspects of doing an activity that I love and one that provides numerous benefits.
My two very competitive brothers turned me on the cycling. They both participated in the MS150 for years and were tired on hearing me say "one of these days, I'm gonna do that". When I dropped significant weight (55-60lbs), they presented me with a used TREK hybrid bike in December 2014 and told me to "put up or shut up". I had about 4 months to train and "meet them on at finish line in April".
I have never noticed the "dismissive nature of the ads", but then again, I don't recall ever seeing an ad for cycling, etc. I just do what I like to do and DGAF about what people think.
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It looks like the responses here mostly match the articles linked- safety/fear is the primary factor keeping women off bikes. The gender gap closes in countries that have infrastructure keeping bikes and cars separate. Fear of attack/assault is a concern, but (in general) not so much as fear of vehicles, or else we'd probably see more of a gender gap in walking/running too (we don't) and less gap correlated with infrastructure. It makes sense to me that women (in general) would have stronger safety concerns than men for myriad reasons. This leads me to wonder, of the men who don’t ride, is safety also the major factor (and just being a minority in their gender), or do men choose not to ride for some other reason?3
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RachelElser wrote: »I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.
Is that really an issue? I'm not trying to downplay it or make light of the situation, but is that really a wide-reaching concern to the point that it's a significant limiting factor? "being kidnapped, raped, and murdered"?
I don't doubt women think/worry about it more than men... I guess I'm wondering if it's an issue for women because they worry about it, or do they worry about it because it's an issue.
In my own experience, (I preface this by saying I live in a Canadian capital city of about a million and bike/run/walk daily), I have been chased while running and had men attempt to stop me and pull me off my bike multiple times while on multiuse trails in my city. About two weeks ago, I also had a man leave a restaurant when he saw me leaving with a female friend and our bikes and attempt to follow us until stopped by a bystander, and that's not an isolated event.
It doesn't happen daily, but I would say that I am approached by someone aggressively every couple of weeks, whether that's a drunk guy trying to grab my backpack as I ride past him, a man stopping to tell me I should get in his car, or whatever. I'm not afraid for my life or thinking I'm going to be "kidnapped, raped, and murdered" all the time, but I do need to be cognizant of my physical safety frequently and take steps to protect myself, like running only on well-populated, well-lit streets, staying out of arms' reach and away from blind corners or clumps of trees or whatever on my bike, and planning routes that keep me visible to traffic.
That's pretty frightening! I'm pretty sure I live in the same city as you based on your description but I haven't had anything that disturbing happen to me when I run, and I frequently run quite late in the evening or early in the morning.
I don't actually have a bike or I would bike commute to work more often since there's a dedicated multi-use trail right past my house that goes all the way to work (only 5 km away). I do occasionally run home from work though. I have the path to myself most days when I do.
If you're in YEG as well, I will explain that I'm in the northeast, and so my commute takes me along the LRT line for long stretches, which in that north-of-Churchill station area especially is not really a great part of town, but using that path is still much preferable to me to being in traffic with cars. I can dodge drunk guys all night but I can't control other people in cars, so it's a choice I make. Just means I have to tolerate some unpleasantness, mostly from the homeless guys who set up their tents in the trees between Churchill and Stadium.
Most of my unpleasant running experiences involve weirdos in the river valley, which is also kind of par for the course. I don't tend to have any issues if I stay in neighbourhoods and on sidewalks.1 -
deannalfisher wrote: »honestly until folks in the cycling world start taking the gender gap seriously you won't see many changes (i.e. bike ads with women featured that talk about the advantages of electric bikes and "how i can keep up with my husband" marketing)...i'm a cyclist and a triathlete and its something that we struggle with...added to that, the way i've seen/heard how my friends have been treated by male cyclists (having to be "explained" multiple times how to pick a pace group; or basically treated like idiots)
So how does that work? Is it a psychological thing, or..?
If a woman is talked down to about cycling/by a cyclist.. If an ad is for an ebike that will help her keep up with her husband...- Does she consciously say "screw you, I won't ride then if you're going to be an *kitten* about it"?
- Does she simply not feel welcomed, and thus is hesitant to step into that arena?
- Is there something in her subconscious that tells her cycling isn't for women?
- How does she know/decide that she's being condescended to because she's a woman rather than a beginner?
Sorry if those are stupid questions. As a guy who has no interest in the social aspects of cycling and who is far more apt to encounter deer and porcupines during a ride than pedestrians, this whole conversation is very foreign to me.
And yes, I know anyone who weighs in here isn't speaking for all women everywhere.
I used to subscribe to a few cycling magazines and found them infuriating from a gender perspective. Ads and articles alike were 100% man-centric except when highlighting “women’s specific” things; women only bikes, women’s riding issues (cycling while menstruating, etc). I am a little obsessed with the Bechdel test, so I actually started counting the number of women I saw that just “happened to be women”- not in the magazine to highlight a women-only topic. Why does a cycling sock ad have to only feature men? Don’t women also have feet? This bothers me because I feel like my gender assignment as an embryonic coin-toss. I could have been a man just a likely as I could have been a woman, and it makes me uncomfortable to have my gender be such a topic where it doesn’t seem to apply. It comes across as a mild form of “tokenism” that every minority sees under the guise of “diversity” and “inclusivity.” It comes across like, "LOOK! We made an add with a woman on it! We better make sure we focus it for women only!" Women aren't a minority, so this has to be tenfold worse for minority populations. I don’t ride my bike because I’m a woman. I ride my bike because I like biking!
Part of the reason I started this thread is because I was turned off by a “Womxn's Bike Month” with “womxn’s only” activities. How would the public respond if the club had “men’s only” activities? Yet, some of my female cycling friends were into it, and I know some women feel more comfortable only being around women, especially when it comes to physical activity. It’s a delicate line, women clearly do have woman-specific concerns (safety apparently, chamois type definitely), but would also like to feel included, not categorized.
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RachelElser wrote: »I bike sometimes, just for fun. I would 100% say something that stops me from biking is safety. Far to many cases of women being kidnapped, raped, and murdered from their bikes. In general though, women worry about that kind of thing more then men.
Is that really an issue? I'm not trying to downplay it or make light of the situation, but is that really a wide-reaching concern to the point that it's a significant limiting factor? "being kidnapped, raped, and murdered"?
I don't doubt women think/worry about it more than men... I guess I'm wondering if it's an issue for women because they worry about it, or do they worry about it because it's an issue.
In my own experience, (I preface this by saying I live in a Canadian capital city of about a million and bike/run/walk daily), I have been chased while running and had men attempt to stop me and pull me off my bike multiple times while on multiuse trails in my city. About two weeks ago, I also had a man leave a restaurant when he saw me leaving with a female friend and our bikes and attempt to follow us until stopped by a bystander, and that's not an isolated event.
It doesn't happen daily, but I would say that I am approached by someone aggressively every couple of weeks, whether that's a drunk guy trying to grab my backpack as I ride past him, a man stopping to tell me I should get in his car, or whatever. I'm not afraid for my life or thinking I'm going to be "kidnapped, raped, and murdered" all the time, but I do need to be cognizant of my physical safety frequently and take steps to protect myself, like running only on well-populated, well-lit streets, staying out of arms' reach and away from blind corners or clumps of trees or whatever on my bike, and planning routes that keep me visible to traffic.
That's pretty frightening! I'm pretty sure I live in the same city as you based on your description but I haven't had anything that disturbing happen to me when I run, and I frequently run quite late in the evening or early in the morning.
I don't actually have a bike or I would bike commute to work more often since there's a dedicated multi-use trail right past my house that goes all the way to work (only 5 km away). I do occasionally run home from work though. I have the path to myself most days when I do.
If you're in YEG as well, I will explain that I'm in the northeast, and so my commute takes me along the LRT line for long stretches, which in that north-of-Churchill station area especially is not really a great part of town, but using that path is still much preferable to me to being in traffic with cars. I can dodge drunk guys all night but I can't control other people in cars, so it's a choice I make. Just means I have to tolerate some unpleasantness, mostly from the homeless guys who set up their tents in the trees between Churchill and Stadium.
Most of my unpleasant running experiences involve weirdos in the river valley, which is also kind of par for the course. I don't tend to have any issues if I stay in neighbourhoods and on sidewalks.
That makes sense then! I'm waaaay far SE (not far from Ellerslie) so most of our crime seems to be bored rich kids. Used to live in the Bonnie Doon area and while I never felt personally unsafe I definitely saw quite a few people who seemed strung out and could have been threatening.0
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