Women 50+ Building Muscle/Cutting
RoxieDawn
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I have been trying to research various aspects of women building muscle at ages 50+ going through menopause. Menopause is such a touchy subject all though all us ladies will go through it, but I don't know of anyone my age doing bulk/cut cycles or recomp.
I would love to find some resources, studies, etc. that discuss female hormones, balance (not sure how to work on balance if they aren't working like they should be
), maybe macros or diet changes or cutting strategies that might be beneficial. For the past three weeks I have horrid day/night time sweats and also trying to find out if this causes water balance problems.
I will be 50 in a few months, if things hold where they are I will be 'post' at the end of the year. I bulked this winter and now cutting, it has reached a point where I have stalled, I have lost about 3 pounds in 8 weeks and I dare cut cals again. Maybe some of my fat loss is masked by water. I thought I could ride out my cals but all of this has me losing strength, my performance some days are better than others, I still get the job done, but I think I could do so much more if I was 100%.
Take a diet break only after 8 weeks of 250 deficit? Does that sound dumb? I am mentally and physically attached to my calories so I am cutting on 1800, 115-120 gr protein, fat around 65-70g and my carbs the rest, sometimes I get a little less fat and more carbs (200-210gr).
I wrote this hoping to not embarrass my self, I am treading into unknown waters, I am very patient and willing to adjust or try new things.
I would love to find some resources, studies, etc. that discuss female hormones, balance (not sure how to work on balance if they aren't working like they should be
), maybe macros or diet changes or cutting strategies that might be beneficial. For the past three weeks I have horrid day/night time sweats and also trying to find out if this causes water balance problems.I will be 50 in a few months, if things hold where they are I will be 'post' at the end of the year. I bulked this winter and now cutting, it has reached a point where I have stalled, I have lost about 3 pounds in 8 weeks and I dare cut cals again. Maybe some of my fat loss is masked by water. I thought I could ride out my cals but all of this has me losing strength, my performance some days are better than others, I still get the job done, but I think I could do so much more if I was 100%.
Take a diet break only after 8 weeks of 250 deficit? Does that sound dumb? I am mentally and physically attached to my calories
so I am cutting on 1800, 115-120 gr protein, fat around 65-70g and my carbs the rest, sometimes I get a little less fat and more carbs (200-210gr).I wrote this hoping to not embarrass my self, I am treading into unknown waters, I am very patient and willing to adjust or try new things.
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I've sent your link to Roberta who is on my friends list here Roxie. Hopefully, she might be able to impart some sage advice for you.
Good luck! ((Hugs))2 -
777Gemma888 wrote: »I've sent your link to Roberta who is on my friends list here Roxie. Hopefully, she might be able to impart some sage advice for you.
Good luck! ((Hugs))
Thank you so much! Very much appreciated.
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Following! I almost posted something similar last year but things returned to normal. I know that peri is just around the corner for me...or maybe few years around the corner!
This may be worth listening to:
https://player.fm/series/jps-health-fitness-2166069/podcast-38-interview-with-lyle-mcdonald-part-23 -
Following! I almost posted something similar last year but things returned to normal. I know that peri is just around the corner for me...or maybe few years around the corner!
This may be worth listening to:
https://player.fm/series/jps-health-fitness-2166069/podcast-38-interview-with-lyle-mcdonald-part-2
Thanks for this, this is exactly a resource I'm looking for. I'm gonna have a listen to this this morning. I'll come back and update this thread with some thoughts and insights.0 -
i don't think there is anything wrong with taking a diet break after each 8 week cut. i am doing the same, but every 6 weeks because I struggle with holding a deficit for too long.
what do we always tell newbies? be consistent and you'll get results... if that break means you are consistent the rest of the time then that's a good thing, right?3 -
TavistockToad wrote: »i don't think there is anything wrong with taking a diet break after each 8 week cut. i am doing the same, but every 6 weeks because I struggle with holding a deficit for too long.
what do we always tell newbies? be consistent and you'll get results... if that break means you are consistent the rest of the time then that's a good thing, right?
Very good point. I have to admit I am very consistent, if I weren't its hard to figure out where the break down is.
A diet break is not an end all to goals it should be just part of it. I'm really a sore loser (pun intended) and do not enjoy being in a deficit. I'm not in a uncomfortable one at the moment but cutting further I would be.
I'm going on with the idea that diet breaks should be integral part of the process even in earlier stages of fat loss.
I decided last night that I would go ahead and start mine tomorrow.4 -
Following! I almost posted something similar last year but things returned to normal. I know that peri is just around the corner for me...or maybe few years around the corner!
This may be worth listening to:
https://player.fm/series/jps-health-fitness-2166069/podcast-38-interview-with-lyle-mcdonald-part-2
Thanks for this, this is exactly a resource I'm looking for. I'm gonna have a listen to this this morning. I'll come back and update this thread with some thoughts and insights.
My take away was that there could be some insulin resistance.
He mentions making sure you have adequate protein. I hate when people say that. What does that mean? I have read many articles that as we age we need more protein. How much more? How much more if we are lifting weights?
This was written by Layne Norton:
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/how-to-eat-for-max-muscle-growth-at-any-age.html2 -
Following! I almost posted something similar last year but things returned to normal. I know that peri is just around the corner for me...or maybe few years around the corner!
This may be worth listening to:
https://player.fm/series/jps-health-fitness-2166069/podcast-38-interview-with-lyle-mcdonald-part-2
Thanks for this, this is exactly a resource I'm looking for. I'm gonna have a listen to this this morning. I'll come back and update this thread with some thoughts and insights.
My take away was that there could be some insulin resistance.
He mentions making sure you have adequate protein. I hate when people say that. What does that mean? I have read many articles that as we age we need more protein. How much more? How much more if we are lifting weights?
This was written by Layne Norton:
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/how-to-eat-for-max-muscle-growth-at-any-age.html
I have watched the video twice this morning. Lyle is a huge advocate of protein.
He mentions insulin resistance with PCOS and for the late peri woman and how moderating carbs, raising dietary fat and of course higher protein was important. A women choosing HRT will not have issues with insulin resistance but I will fall into the non HRT category so diet could be key.
Your link states that a 41-65 years: 1.1-1.3 grams per pound of body weight. My current intake falls into about 1 gram per body weight and I also understand that calorie deficits require a little more protein. I actually eat the same protein amount in a deficit, bulking and maintaining, its just a well rounded number to remember. As a late 'peri' I can see why protein needs are higher, maybe taking a few of my carbs and adding to protein will helpful, plus protein fills me up.
The carb ratio he mentions at 1-1.5 gr per body weight is something I need to look at further. It seems quite low for the exercise I do, building muscle isn't something he touched on much but I am sure more info is be found on what is appropriate for the athlete, body builder etc at middle age.
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Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/3 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
Thanks. I am going to get this today.
I was hoping to not ever get here, but I am.
I would like to keep the information sharing going on in this thread. Since I am experimenting and working on things in this aspect, personal testimony might be helpful to others as well!0 -
I downloaded the book to my Kindle just now!1
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This is very interesting. I'm 48, 49 at the end of this year and in peri for sure. I started lifting last fall because all of a sudden it just looked like I had no muscle and I've always been athletic and muscular. I wanted to maintain the muscle I had, but now that I'm into it, I'm really wanting to build muscle. I need to learn more about doing it especially at this age. I also just need to learn a lot about the build muscle, lose fat, cycles, and calories needed for it.3
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quiksylver296 wrote: »I downloaded the book to my Kindle just now!
That was fast... hense the name QuikSylver. lol1 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »I downloaded the book to my Kindle just now!
That was fast... hense the name QuikSylver. lol
Know thyself. 
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This is very interesting. I'm 48, 49 at the end of this year and in peri for sure. I started lifting last fall because all of a sudden it just looked like I had no muscle and I've always been athletic and muscular. I wanted to maintain the muscle I had, but now that I'm into it, I'm really wanting to build muscle. I need to learn more about doing it especially at this age. I also just need to learn a lot about the build muscle, lose fat, cycles, and calories needed for it.
You have come to the right place. Join in and post any questions you have.1 -
@RoxieDawn Thanks!1
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.2 -
mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Its been 7 years for me, its worse towards the end for me... kinda ready to get off the roller coaster now.
Hang in there, at least there is an end to the madness.0 -
Hey there sweetheart!
People think that menopause stops you but really it's just another form of stress. All stress makes us hungrier (increased cortisol and ghrelin).
All I do is keep in mind my TDEE and eat slightly under to lose body fat, workout but not really count exercise calories except to eat an extra serving (not too much!) depending on my hunger intensity before I go to bed at night.
Also, I found my hot flashes and night sweats to be unbearable, feeling like I got run over by a truck every morning and not getting sleep and hunger through the roof, so I went to the doctor and got custom bio-identical HRT. Also I feel that my vitamins, fish oil, and superior greens all with anti-inflammatory and helping with hormone regulation all contribute to my success with keeping the body fat down.
It's a complicated issue for sure, but in many ways simple, it requires investment in nutrition.
Roberta
Good morning Roxie. The above quoted was Roberta Saum's response to me regarding your thread query.
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mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Its been 7 years for me, its worse towards the end for me... kinda ready to get off the roller coaster now.
Hang in there, at least there is an end to the madness.
Y'all aren't making me feel better! 0 -
mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Heard about this book through Sumi Singh. She's extremely helpful Roxie. Am uncertain if she's still on MFP. You may contact her through her website as she was training with Lyle McDonald during the phase this book was being written, if memory serves.
http//www.shailafitness.com/about/
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quiksylver296 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Its been 7 years for me, its worse towards the end for me... kinda ready to get off the roller coaster now.
Hang in there, at least there is an end to the madness.
Y'all aren't making me feel better!
But but... We are all going to be different, who knows with your phsyique, diet and lifting you might come out better than all of us... so there's that. Think positive. Does this help?
Probably not, but I tried. :laugh:2 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Its been 7 years for me, its worse towards the end for me... kinda ready to get off the roller coaster now.
Hang in there, at least there is an end to the madness.
Y'all aren't making me feel better!
But but... We are all going to be different, who knows with your phsyique, diet and lifting you might not come out better than all of us... so there's that. Think positive. Does this help?
Probably not, but I tried. :laugh:
One can hope.
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777Gemma888 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Heard about this book through Sumi Singh. She's extremely helpful Roxie. Am uncertain if she's still on MFP. You may contact her through her website as she was training with Lyle McDonald during the phase this book was being written, if memory serves.
http//www.shailafitness.com/about/
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She's in the Eat, Train, Progress group on FB, too.2 -
777Gemma888 wrote: »
Hey there sweetheart!
People think that menopause stops you but really it's just another form of stress. All stress makes us hungrier (increased cortisol and ghrelin).
All I do is keep in mind my TDEE and eat slightly under to lose body fat, workout but not really count exercise calories except to eat an extra serving (not too much!) depending on my hunger intensity before I go to bed at night.
Also, I found my hot flashes and night sweats to be unbearable, feeling like I got run over by a truck every morning and not getting sleep and hunger through the roof, so I went to the doctor and got custom bio-identical HRT. Also I feel that my vitamins, fish oil, and superior greens all with anti-inflammatory and helping with hormone regulation all contribute to my success with keeping the body fat down.
It's a complicated issue for sure, but in many ways simple, it requires investment in nutrition.
Roberta
Good morning Roxie. The above quoted was Roberta Saum's response to me regarding your thread query.777Gemma888 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Heard about this book through Sumi Singh. She's extremely helpful Roxie. Am uncertain if she's still on MFP. You may contact her through her website as she was training with Lyle McDonald during the phase this book was being written, if memory serves.
http//www.shailafitness.com/about/
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Good morning. Thanks for this, great stuff.
The hot flashes ... hit by a truck... this is me to a tee.
I'm not looking to do HRT, I added fish oil about 2 months ago that's good to know.
I wonder what is ideal body fat levels are? Lyle McDonald hints on body fat being harder to control in later stages of peri.
eta: I can't get the quotes to line up.. oh well1 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »777Gemma888 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Heard about this book through Sumi Singh. She's extremely helpful Roxie. Am uncertain if she's still on MFP. You may contact her through her website as she was training with Lyle McDonald during the phase this book was being written, if memory serves.
http//www.shailafitness.com/about/
Auto correct: surname
She's in the Eat, Train, Progress group on FB, too.
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777Gemma888 wrote: »
Hey there sweetheart!
People think that menopause stops you but really it's just another form of stress. All stress makes us hungrier (increased cortisol and ghrelin).
All I do is keep in mind my TDEE and eat slightly under to lose body fat, workout but not really count exercise calories except to eat an extra serving (not too much!) depending on my hunger intensity before I go to bed at night.
Also, I found my hot flashes and night sweats to be unbearable, feeling like I got run over by a truck every morning and not getting sleep and hunger through the roof, so I went to the doctor and got custom bio-identical HRT. Also I feel that my vitamins, fish oil, and superior greens all with anti-inflammatory and helping with hormone regulation all contribute to my success with keeping the body fat down.
It's a complicated issue for sure, but in many ways simple, it requires investment in nutrition.
Roberta
Good morning Roxie. The above quoted was Roberta Saum's response to me regarding your thread query.777Gemma888 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Heard about this book through Sumi Singh. She's extremely helpful Roxie. Am uncertain if she's still on MFP. You may contact her through her website as she was training with Lyle McDonald during the phase this book was being written, if memory serves.
http//www.shailafitness.com/about/
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Good morning. Thanks for this, great stuff.
The hot flashes ... hit by a truck... this is me to a tee.
I'm not looking to do HRT, I added fish oil about 2 months ago that's good to know.
I wonder what is ideal body fat levels are? Lyle McDonald hints on body fat being harder to control in later stages of peri.
eta: I can't get the quotes to line up.. oh well
I would assume around 14% to 21% depending on your end goals@fitness readiness Roxie.
@quotes lining up - deleting the last quote Gemma should do it.
@late stages of peri. I was engaged in an en masse discussion with bikini/fitness/physique competitors 40-50+ women yesterday, who'd all highlighted that the "little" help they needed to jolt the losses when you're at the end of your cut, apart from nutrition, was cardio. Take that with a grain of salt, as they were discussing alternatives to PED's. How much would need to be determined by you, factoring in energy depletion et al.
** Am not there yet @pre Peri, but hearing their voices will create the foundation of my approach when it'll hit, which might be a while as my Mum's bloodwork, like my grandmother's has just put her in peri@68 in December, documented, and 69 biologically ( registration of birth was slow). She wants them to speed it up using synthetics (crazy!).1 -
777Gemma888 wrote: »777Gemma888 wrote: »
Hey there sweetheart!
People think that menopause stops you but really it's just another form of stress. All stress makes us hungrier (increased cortisol and ghrelin).
All I do is keep in mind my TDEE and eat slightly under to lose body fat, workout but not really count exercise calories except to eat an extra serving (not too much!) depending on my hunger intensity before I go to bed at night.
Also, I found my hot flashes and night sweats to be unbearable, feeling like I got run over by a truck every morning and not getting sleep and hunger through the roof, so I went to the doctor and got custom bio-identical HRT. Also I feel that my vitamins, fish oil, and superior greens all with anti-inflammatory and helping with hormone regulation all contribute to my success with keeping the body fat down.
It's a complicated issue for sure, but in many ways simple, it requires investment in nutrition.
Roberta
Good morning Roxie. The above quoted was Roberta Saum's response to me regarding your thread query.777Gemma888 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Heard about this book through Sumi Singh. She's extremely helpful Roxie. Am uncertain if she's still on MFP. You may contact her through her website as she was training with Lyle McDonald during the phase this book was being written, if memory serves.
http//www.shailafitness.com/about/
Auto correct: surname
Good morning. Thanks for this, great stuff.
The hot flashes ... hit by a truck... this is me to a tee.
I'm not looking to do HRT, I added fish oil about 2 months ago that's good to know.
I wonder what is ideal body fat levels are? Lyle McDonald hints on body fat being harder to control in later stages of peri.
eta: I can't get the quotes to line up.. oh well
I would assume around 14% to 21% depending on your end goals@fitness readiness Roxie.
@quotes lining up - deleting the last quote Gemma should do it.
@late stages of peri. I was engaged in an en masse discussion with bikini/fitness/physique competitors 40-50+ women yesterday, who'd all highlighted that the "little" help they needed to jolt the losses when you're at the end of your cut, apart from nutrition, was cardio. Take that with a grain of salt, as they were discussing alternatives to PED's. How much would need to be determined by you, factoring in energy depletion et al.
** Am not there yet @pre Peri, but hearing their voices will create the foundation of my approach when it'll hit, which might be a while as my Mum's bloodwork, like my grandmother's has just put her in peri@67. She wants them to speed it up using synthetics (crazy!).
I am currently running in addition to my lifting about 23 miles per week. I chose to do very little of it during my bulk. Running is also a part of my training as I do both lifting and running.. I might be the exception to those that lift only.
And doing PED's oh my goodness, I think I will have to pass on that LOL as taking a Tylenol for a headache is bad enough. Interesting to hear the conversation that took place though.
Peri at 67? Wow this is amazing, thinking about the last 12 months of this process and doing it in mid to late 60's sounds crazy to me for sure. I'll be curious what she decides to do.1 -
777Gemma888 wrote: »777Gemma888 wrote: »
Hey there sweetheart!
People think that menopause stops you but really it's just another form of stress. All stress makes us hungrier (increased cortisol and ghrelin).
All I do is keep in mind my TDEE and eat slightly under to lose body fat, workout but not really count exercise calories except to eat an extra serving (not too much!) depending on my hunger intensity before I go to bed at night.
Also, I found my hot flashes and night sweats to be unbearable, feeling like I got run over by a truck every morning and not getting sleep and hunger through the roof, so I went to the doctor and got custom bio-identical HRT. Also I feel that my vitamins, fish oil, and superior greens all with anti-inflammatory and helping with hormone regulation all contribute to my success with keeping the body fat down.
It's a complicated issue for sure, but in many ways simple, it requires investment in nutrition.
Roberta
Good morning Roxie. The above quoted was Roberta Saum's response to me regarding your thread query.777Gemma888 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Heard about this book through Sumi Singh. She's extremely helpful Roxie. Am uncertain if she's still on MFP. You may contact her through her website as she was training with Lyle McDonald during the phase this book was being written, if memory serves.
http//www.shailafitness.com/about/
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Good morning. Thanks for this, great stuff.
The hot flashes ... hit by a truck... this is me to a tee.
I'm not looking to do HRT, I added fish oil about 2 months ago that's good to know.
I wonder what is ideal body fat levels are? Lyle McDonald hints on body fat being harder to control in later stages of peri.
eta: I can't get the quotes to line up.. oh well
I would assume around 14% to 21% depending on your end goals@fitness readiness Roxie.
@quotes lining up - deleting the last quote Gemma should do it.
@late stages of peri. I was engaged in an en masse discussion with bikini/fitness/physique competitors 40-50+ women yesterday, who'd all highlighted that the "little" help they needed to jolt the losses when you're at the end of your cut, apart from nutrition, was cardio. Take that with a grain of salt, as they were discussing alternatives to PED's. How much would need to be determined by you, factoring in energy depletion et al.
** Am not there yet @pre Peri, but hearing their voices will create the foundation of my approach when it'll hit, which might be a while as my Mum's bloodwork, like my grandmother's has just put her in peri@67. She wants them to speed it up using synthetics (crazy!).
I am currently running in addition to my lifting about 23 miles per week. I chose to do very little of it during my bulk. Running is also a part of my training as I do both lifting and running.. I might be the exception to those that lift only.
And doing PED's oh my goodness, I think I will have to pass on that LOL as taking a Tylenol for a headache is bad enough. Interesting to hear the conversation that took place though.
Peri at 67? Wow this is amazing, thinking about the last 12 months of this process and doing it in mid to late 60's sounds crazy to me for sure. I'll be curious what she decides to do.
Alright, THIS is not making me feel better! There is little hope for me if you are having issues and you are running 23mi per week while strength training.2 -
mom23mangos wrote: »777Gemma888 wrote: »777Gemma888 wrote: »
Hey there sweetheart!
People think that menopause stops you but really it's just another form of stress. All stress makes us hungrier (increased cortisol and ghrelin).
All I do is keep in mind my TDEE and eat slightly under to lose body fat, workout but not really count exercise calories except to eat an extra serving (not too much!) depending on my hunger intensity before I go to bed at night.
Also, I found my hot flashes and night sweats to be unbearable, feeling like I got run over by a truck every morning and not getting sleep and hunger through the roof, so I went to the doctor and got custom bio-identical HRT. Also I feel that my vitamins, fish oil, and superior greens all with anti-inflammatory and helping with hormone regulation all contribute to my success with keeping the body fat down.
It's a complicated issue for sure, but in many ways simple, it requires investment in nutrition.
Roberta
Good morning Roxie. The above quoted was Roberta Saum's response to me regarding your thread query.777Gemma888 wrote: »mom23mangos wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Following. I'd like to learn as much as possible before peri- and/or menopause hit. I'm not that far away.
I suspect Lyle's new book "The Women's Book" would be a valuable resource. I haven't bought it yet.
https://store.bodyrecomposition.com/product/the-womens-book-vol1/
I downloaded this a while back but haven't read it yet. While I'm still in my early 40's, I've been peri for a while now. I have a feeling it's going to stretch on for a REALLY long time for me.
Heard about this book through Sumi Singh. She's extremely helpful Roxie. Am uncertain if she's still on MFP. You may contact her through her website as she was training with Lyle McDonald during the phase this book was being written, if memory serves.
http//www.shailafitness.com/about/
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Good morning. Thanks for this, great stuff.
The hot flashes ... hit by a truck... this is me to a tee.
I'm not looking to do HRT, I added fish oil about 2 months ago that's good to know.
I wonder what is ideal body fat levels are? Lyle McDonald hints on body fat being harder to control in later stages of peri.
eta: I can't get the quotes to line up.. oh well
I would assume around 14% to 21% depending on your end goals@fitness readiness Roxie.
@quotes lining up - deleting the last quote Gemma should do it.
@late stages of peri. I was engaged in an en masse discussion with bikini/fitness/physique competitors 40-50+ women yesterday, who'd all highlighted that the "little" help they needed to jolt the losses when you're at the end of your cut, apart from nutrition, was cardio. Take that with a grain of salt, as they were discussing alternatives to PED's. How much would need to be determined by you, factoring in energy depletion et al.
** Am not there yet @pre Peri, but hearing their voices will create the foundation of my approach when it'll hit, which might be a while as my Mum's bloodwork, like my grandmother's has just put her in peri@67. She wants them to speed it up using synthetics (crazy!).
I am currently running in addition to my lifting about 23 miles per week. I chose to do very little of it during my bulk. Running is also a part of my training as I do both lifting and running.. I might be the exception to those that lift only.
And doing PED's oh my goodness, I think I will have to pass on that LOL as taking a Tylenol for a headache is bad enough. Interesting to hear the conversation that took place though.
Peri at 67? Wow this is amazing, thinking about the last 12 months of this process and doing it in mid to late 60's sounds crazy to me for sure. I'll be curious what she decides to do.
Alright, THIS is not making me feel better! There is little hope for me if you are having issues and you are running 23mi per week while strength training.
I have my running and lifting fairly well arranged for optimal recovery. My strength loss and performance issues have all started about 3-4 weeks ago. The 'end of peri issues' have been slowly arriving over thee past year, tolerable and not to bad to deal with up until I got about a month into this cut. I had blood work done not too long ago, hense this is where I am at.
I gained 10 pounds over my winter bulk so my body fat is higher than desired, hoping reduction will help out some. Getting there seems a little more difficult this time.
Good news is I end up weighing more after my bulks so its hard to guage how many pounds it will take for optimal fat loss. Some dietary changes no doubt might have to take place, the diet break should hopefully set me in a better place to finish out this cut, so I am hoping.0
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