Farmed salmon vs Wild caught?
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I’ve been eating more salmon in general and I just found out that it’s farmed salmon so I did a search on google and all this scary info came up about the dangers of farmed salmon. Made me feel abit upset because there always seems to be something wrong with food these days and I love salmon as a protein source. Is it worth it to switch to wild caught salmon? Is farmed salmon really that bad???
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Honestly, you couldn't pay me to eat farmed fish of any variety. Just like I don't eat beef that is grain fed, I won't eat fish that is fed corn and injected with dye to make it more visually appealing.12
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What are these dangers of which you speak? Any reliable sources or just alarmist nonsense from online woo merchants?7
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johnslater461 wrote: »What are these dangers of which you speak? Any reliable sources or just alarmist nonsense from online woo merchants?
You are free to Google, but for starters:
*farmed salmon contains higher amounts of fat, mostly saturated, and something like 30% more calories per serving
*farmed salmon has higher amounts of Omega-6
*wild salmon is higher in minerals
*due to farming practices, farmed salmon contains higher amounts of contaminants, including PCBs
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WholeFoods4Lyfe wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »What are these dangers of which you speak? Any reliable sources or just alarmist nonsense from online woo merchants?
You are free to Google, but for starters:
*farmed salmon contains higher amounts of fat, mostly saturated, and something like 30% more calories per serving
*farmed salmon has higher amounts of Omega-6
*wild salmon is higher in minerals
None of these represent dangers.*due to farming practices, farmed salmon contains higher amounts of contaminants, including PCBs
Early studies reported high levels of PCBs and other contaminants in farmed salmon – higher than in some species of wild salmon, such as pink salmon. Follow-up studies haven't confirmed this and the consensus among scientists and regulators is that farmed salmon and wild salmon are safe foods.
https://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/Fish/FarmedSalmon
Farm raised salmon is perfectly safe to eat. Wild salmon tastes better, and might have a slightly different nutrient profile, but whether this justifies the additional cost is entirely up to you.11 -
My farmed salmon is from Scotland so I don’t have to worry about it being injected. It’s definitely not from China...6
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My farmed salmon is from Scotland so I don’t have to worry about it being injected. It’s definitely not from China...
I've bought from a couple of the Scottish vendors as a Chef in the restaurant business and they have a good product and sustainable methods. Not much to worry about.7 -
either are fine. don't let the internet scare you.7
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Certain species of fish are endangered because they have literally been fished out of the oceans and streams. Halibut is one of those. You'll rarely see halibut in the store and even your local butcher will tell you that a white fish is often substituted when it comes into the store and it's labeled...halibut. WildCaught, if you read between the lines, farmed fish coming from pods out in the ocean can have a net thrown around them right before they're processed and be labeled WildCaught. There's all kinds of processing hacks and work arounds. Grassfed beef, well, we simply haven't got the time.
Demand exceeds the supply. We are running out of wild caught fish. Have you ever been to Alaska and fished for your salmon. I have and you would know it has price above rubies. Grassfed beef. Ranchers and farmers, the old established ranches are fading away and being turned into guest ranches for tourists. The younger generations no longer want to work from daylight to dark to provide food for the masses. This is why most of our fish and beef is coming from some other nation.
In this day of pristine clean eating with fastidious and meticulous concern over every morsel that goes into our mouths, it has created more orthorexia and disordered eating ...more than any other nation on the face of the earth.
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What's wrong with higher levels of Omega 6? Isn't that why people take fish oil and eat almonds?
To the OP, Salmon is a fantastic source of protein. Don't let wierdo's ruin your diet. That said, I do prefer Fresh wild Caught Salmon, I have a fish monger that catches sockeye in northern Canada, those are so delicious. But I don't get bent out of shape, if they didn't have a good catch and I have to go the grocery store for farm raised stuff. Or sometimes its just more convenient to pick up what's at grocery while I'm there. No reason to get that picky.4 -
I agree with most posters... wild caught fish , always. no reason to eat farmed fish when you don't have to. in restaurants I hear people asking all the time the source of their food. I think people are becoming more and more aware of what they are eating and it is making a difference in their lives and overall health. Do what you will but my advice is wild caught, since you asked.3
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mutantspicy wrote: »What's wrong with higher levels of Omega 6? Isn't that why people take fish oil and eat almonds?
To the OP, Salmon is a fantastic source of protein. Don't let wierdo's ruin your diet. That said, I do prefer Fresh wild Caught Salmon, I have a fish monger that catches sockeye in northern Canada, those are so delicious. But I don't get bent out of shape, if they didn't have a good catch and I have to go the grocery store for farm raised stuff. Or sometimes its just more convenient to pick up what's at grocery while I'm there. No reason to get that picky.
Omega 6 is not inherently bad but in most of our food supply today there is an imbalance of omega 6 and omega 3. Wild caught fish tends to be higher in omega 3 and there are health benefits to omega 3.7 -
mutantspicy wrote: »What's wrong with higher levels of Omega 6? Isn't that why people take fish oil and eat almonds?
To the OP, Salmon is a fantastic source of protein. Don't let wierdo's ruin your diet. That said, I do prefer Fresh wild Caught Salmon, I have a fish monger that catches sockeye in northern Canada, those are so delicious. But I don't get bent out of shape, if they didn't have a good catch and I have to go the grocery store for farm raised stuff. Or sometimes its just more convenient to pick up what's at grocery while I'm there. No reason to get that picky.
There is nothing inherently wrong with Omega-6's, they are after all an Essential Fatty Acid. The problem is that most people consume 3's and 6's out of balance, the preferred ratio is 4:1 Omega-6 to Omega-3, with some even suggesting an ideal ratio of 1:1. Most people aren't getting anywhere near that with the average being more like 12:1. With Farmed Salmon, the Omega-6 amount is generally increased while the Omega-3 amount remains the same, thus throwing that ratio further out of whack.1 -
I’ve been eating more salmon in general and I just found out that it’s farmed salmon so I did a search on google and all this scary info came up about the dangers of farmed salmon. Made me feel abit upset because there always seems to be something wrong with food these days and I love salmon as a protein source. Is it worth it to switch to wild caught salmon? Is farmed salmon really that bad???
I wouldn’t stress or worry yourself too much over it, if I’m honest I eat lots of salmon but never look at whether it’s farmed or wild, it all tastes the same to me .. it’s fish and it’s healthy for you. The internet does tend to put up a lot of scary stuff but you just can’t be sure if there is any truth behind it3 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »I’ve been eating more salmon in general and I just found out that it’s farmed salmon so I did a search on google and all this scary info came up about the dangers of farmed salmon. Made me feel abit upset because there always seems to be something wrong with food these days and I love salmon as a protein source. Is it worth it to switch to wild caught salmon? Is farmed salmon really that bad???
I wouldn’t stress or worry yourself too much over it, if I’m honest I eat lots of salmon but never look at whether it’s farmed or wild, it all tastes the same to me .. it’s fish and it’s healthy for you. The internet does tend to put up a lot of scary stuff but you just can’t be sure if there is any truth behind it
By examining the basis for specific claims, we can determine if there is any truth behind statements made on the internet. It's not like we just have to throw up our hands and give up on the idea that we can understand reality.3 -
WholeFoods4Lyfe wrote: »mutantspicy wrote: »What's wrong with higher levels of Omega 6? Isn't that why people take fish oil and eat almonds?
To the OP, Salmon is a fantastic source of protein. Don't let wierdo's ruin your diet. That said, I do prefer Fresh wild Caught Salmon, I have a fish monger that catches sockeye in northern Canada, those are so delicious. But I don't get bent out of shape, if they didn't have a good catch and I have to go the grocery store for farm raised stuff. Or sometimes its just more convenient to pick up what's at grocery while I'm there. No reason to get that picky.
There is nothing inherently wrong with Omega-6's, they are after all an Essential Fatty Acid. The problem is that most people consume 3's and 6's out of balance, the preferred ratio is 4:1 Omega-6 to Omega-3, with some even suggesting an ideal ratio of 1:1. Most people aren't getting anywhere near that with the average being more like 12:1. With Farmed Salmon, the Omega-6 amount is generally increased while the Omega-3 amount remains the same, thus throwing that ratio further out of whack.
If you are still getting the same amount of omega 3, I don't see how getting some extra omega 6 is something to be concerned about, not even a little bit.2 -
amgreenwell wrote: »I agree with most posters... wild caught fish , always. no reason to eat farmed fish when you don't have to. in restaurants I hear people asking all the time the source of their food. I think people are becoming more and more aware of what they are eating and it is making a difference in their lives and overall health. Do what you will but my advice is wild caught, since you asked.
Is it really making a difference to their lives and overall health though?2 -
mutantspicy wrote: »WholeFoods4Lyfe wrote: »mutantspicy wrote: »What's wrong with higher levels of Omega 6? Isn't that why people take fish oil and eat almonds?
To the OP, Salmon is a fantastic source of protein. Don't let wierdo's ruin your diet. That said, I do prefer Fresh wild Caught Salmon, I have a fish monger that catches sockeye in northern Canada, those are so delicious. But I don't get bent out of shape, if they didn't have a good catch and I have to go the grocery store for farm raised stuff. Or sometimes its just more convenient to pick up what's at grocery while I'm there. No reason to get that picky.
There is nothing inherently wrong with Omega-6's, they are after all an Essential Fatty Acid. The problem is that most people consume 3's and 6's out of balance, the preferred ratio is 4:1 Omega-6 to Omega-3, with some even suggesting an ideal ratio of 1:1. Most people aren't getting anywhere near that with the average being more like 12:1. With Farmed Salmon, the Omega-6 amount is generally increased while the Omega-3 amount remains the same, thus throwing that ratio further out of whack.
If you are still getting the same amount of omega 3, I don't see how getting some extra omega 6 is something to be concerned about, not even a little bit.
My understanding is that experts currently disagree whether or not the ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 is important in your diet. If you're getting sufficient omega-3 but consuming more omega-6, some would consider that to be potentially risky.0 -
As far as PCB's go, well let me just say that there are far more PCB's in wild caught bluegill in Michigan in land lakes than there are in farm raised salmon. I've never seen a study on our Big Lake Salmon and Trout in michigan versus farm raised. It kinda depends on where you are at I should think. If you are farming fish in a heavily polluted area perhaps. But since most Salmon farms are in the ocean, I don't believe your story Most of that scare comes from some really horrible cases from Catfish farms, which were in land ponds/lake, and catfish are bottom suckers. Also, if you're scared about it just don't eat the skin and fatty edges.3
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mutantspicy wrote: »WholeFoods4Lyfe wrote: »mutantspicy wrote: »What's wrong with higher levels of Omega 6? Isn't that why people take fish oil and eat almonds?
To the OP, Salmon is a fantastic source of protein. Don't let wierdo's ruin your diet. That said, I do prefer Fresh wild Caught Salmon, I have a fish monger that catches sockeye in northern Canada, those are so delicious. But I don't get bent out of shape, if they didn't have a good catch and I have to go the grocery store for farm raised stuff. Or sometimes its just more convenient to pick up what's at grocery while I'm there. No reason to get that picky.
There is nothing inherently wrong with Omega-6's, they are after all an Essential Fatty Acid. The problem is that most people consume 3's and 6's out of balance, the preferred ratio is 4:1 Omega-6 to Omega-3, with some even suggesting an ideal ratio of 1:1. Most people aren't getting anywhere near that with the average being more like 12:1. With Farmed Salmon, the Omega-6 amount is generally increased while the Omega-3 amount remains the same, thus throwing that ratio further out of whack.
If you are still getting the same amount of omega 3, I don't see how getting some extra omega 6 is something to be concerned about, not even a little bit.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12442909
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janejellyroll wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »I’ve been eating more salmon in general and I just found out that it’s farmed salmon so I did a search on google and all this scary info came up about the dangers of farmed salmon. Made me feel abit upset because there always seems to be something wrong with food these days and I love salmon as a protein source. Is it worth it to switch to wild caught salmon? Is farmed salmon really that bad???
I wouldn’t stress or worry yourself too much over it, if I’m honest I eat lots of salmon but never look at whether it’s farmed or wild, it all tastes the same to me .. it’s fish and it’s healthy for you. The internet does tend to put up a lot of scary stuff but you just can’t be sure if there is any truth behind it
By examining the basis for specific claims, we can determine if there is any truth behind statements made on the internet. It's not like we just have to throw up our hands and give up on the idea that we can understand reality.
There may be some truth behind some claims on the internet but I don’t think people should worry or stress over it.1 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »I’ve been eating more salmon in general and I just found out that it’s farmed salmon so I did a search on google and all this scary info came up about the dangers of farmed salmon. Made me feel abit upset because there always seems to be something wrong with food these days and I love salmon as a protein source. Is it worth it to switch to wild caught salmon? Is farmed salmon really that bad???
I wouldn’t stress or worry yourself too much over it, if I’m honest I eat lots of salmon but never look at whether it’s farmed or wild, it all tastes the same to me .. it’s fish and it’s healthy for you. The internet does tend to put up a lot of scary stuff but you just can’t be sure if there is any truth behind it
By examining the basis for specific claims, we can determine if there is any truth behind statements made on the internet. It's not like we just have to throw up our hands and give up on the idea that we can understand reality.
There may be some truth behind some claims on the internet but I don’t think people should worry or stress over it.
I don't think anyone should worry or stress, but I do think it's possible to have an educated understanding of which choices or behaviors are riskier and make decisions based on that information.
(Note: I'm not saying eating farmed fish is risky, I don't know enough about the subject to have an opinion. I'm just saying that for those who are interested, it's relatively easy to review the current science and understand if evidence shows this is a riskier behavior than eating wild fish. Once the degree of risk (if any) is understood, the decision can be made by an individual. None of this requires worry or stress, it just requires a bit of research).1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »mutantspicy wrote: »WholeFoods4Lyfe wrote: »mutantspicy wrote: »What's wrong with higher levels of Omega 6? Isn't that why people take fish oil and eat almonds?
To the OP, Salmon is a fantastic source of protein. Don't let wierdo's ruin your diet. That said, I do prefer Fresh wild Caught Salmon, I have a fish monger that catches sockeye in northern Canada, those are so delicious. But I don't get bent out of shape, if they didn't have a good catch and I have to go the grocery store for farm raised stuff. Or sometimes its just more convenient to pick up what's at grocery while I'm there. No reason to get that picky.
There is nothing inherently wrong with Omega-6's, they are after all an Essential Fatty Acid. The problem is that most people consume 3's and 6's out of balance, the preferred ratio is 4:1 Omega-6 to Omega-3, with some even suggesting an ideal ratio of 1:1. Most people aren't getting anywhere near that with the average being more like 12:1. With Farmed Salmon, the Omega-6 amount is generally increased while the Omega-3 amount remains the same, thus throwing that ratio further out of whack.
If you are still getting the same amount of omega 3, I don't see how getting some extra omega 6 is something to be concerned about, not even a little bit.
My understanding is that experts currently disagree whether or not the ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 is important in your diet. If you're getting sufficient omega-3 but consuming more omega-6, some would consider that to be potentially risky.
This^. It's the ratio that matters.0 -
^Why though? What are the risks? The article linked above is not very informative. Both have health benefits. I can understand why too much OM6 would be an issue, but the same can be said of any fat. I don't understand why the ratio matters. This is the first I've heard of this, so I'm curious.0
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Thanks! That article was actually informative. Still though, I'm not concerned about the ratio of Om6 vs 3 in a piece of Salmon, considering I'm not obese, nor consume large quantities of oil of any kind. Based on what I read there, it still appears to me this higher ratio is the result of over indulgence in oily/fatty foods in general, rather the type of salmon you're eating. Regardless, I wanted to know why its an issue, you provided an answer. Thank you! Personally, its not a concern for me. Maybe others with obesity and heart trouble should be more concerned.
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Most fish offered as wild cannot be verified
I am vegan which is much safer14 -
veganfanatic wrote: »Most fish offered as wild cannot be verified
I am vegan which is much safer
I mean, yeah, until we get the deadly romaine, melon chunks, or peanut butter.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »veganfanatic wrote: »Most fish offered as wild cannot be verified
I am vegan which is much safer
I mean, yeah, until we get the deadly romaine, melon chunks, or peanut butter.janejellyroll wrote: »veganfanatic wrote: »Most fish offered as wild cannot be verified
I am vegan which is much safer
I mean, yeah, until we get the deadly romaine, melon chunks, or peanut butter.
Right now there is a recall on DelMonte Vegetable Trays. 212 people have come down with intestinal parasites because of them.
The actual number of cases will probably be much higher than the 212 confirmed so far by health officials.
Although the illness can be treated with antibiotics, symptoms can last from a few days to a few months. In some cases, a patient who reports feeling better may get sick again.
Anyone who has consumed any of the recalled vegetable trays and developed symptoms should seek medical attention.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-than-200-sickened-in-del-monte-vegetable-outbreak/
Health officials have reported 212 cases linked with recalled Del Monte 6 oz. and 12 oz. vegetable trays in Iowa, Indiana, Minnesota, and Michigan. Seven people had to be hospitalized. The company is also recalling these veggie trays in the state of Wisconsin, as well as 28 oz. veggie trays which include broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, celery and dill dip, which were distributed to Illinois and Indiana.
The recalled products were distributed to the following stores: Kwik Trip, Kwik Star, Demond's, Sentry, Potash, Meehan's, Country Market, FoodMax Supermarket, and Peapod.
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