High-Dairy Diets?

cammiecane · July 2018

Hello All!

So I’ve noticed the general sentiment seems to be CICO = weight loss and the type of food doesn’t matter. No one food is going to increase weight loss or help you lose fat from a specific area.

When I first told my Dr. that I was wanting to lose weight, he insisted that I should make sure to keep a high-dairy diet as it would help me lose more weight and fat. He gave me the link to two medical journal studies that seem to back this up.

These articles basically claim that eating a high dairy diet will allow you to preserve or even gain muscle mass, lose more total weight, lose more total fat and lose more fat from your “trunk” (which I assume to mostly mean abdomen) as well as visceral abdominal fat.

Personally speaking, I haven’t tried this as I feel it will take up too many of my calories, but I am curious to see what others will make of these studies. I’ve linked them below. They almost sound too good to be true (literally) to me.

https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/141/9/1626/4630649

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2004.67

cmriverside · July 2018

I'm not going to read the articles, I'll just share my personal experience.

I get a good amount of nutrition from dairy. I have about 6 ounces of milk daily. Usually 0.5 to one ounce of cheese daily. I also have 100-200g of yogurt (about half of that Greek.) I love dairy.

I lost all my weight eating that way, seventy pounds plus. I've eaten that way since. I've kept the weight off. More importantly, I like dairy and will continue to use it. If you can meet your protein, fat, potassium, calcium and probiotic needs some other way, I don't see how dairy is a magical food. But hey, it doesn't bother me one bit if it is!

middlehaitch · July 2018

Just a brief read through and bookmarked for later digestion.
Interesting studies I am curious what those who are better/broader read than me on these studies have to say.

As an aside, I have never been obese but my 30lbs loss was done on a 40 carb, 30 fat and 30 protein split with approx 60g of my protein (80-100g) coming from dairy. Not planned, just how I eat. Lots of yogurt and cottage cheese with whey thrown in when needed.
I maintain on the same split.

I didn't lift weights until maintenance, but did most of my exercises in a cardio/conditioning format. (Pilates, aqua fit, swimming, bodyweight routines etc, as opposed to straight cardio)

Cheers, h.

kshama2001 · July 2018

Your OP made me go straight to the funding. Surprise!

https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/141/9/1626/4630649

Footnotes
Supported by the Dairy Farmers of Canada, The Dairy Research Institute, and the Canadian Institutes of Health Research.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1038/oby.2004.67

Acknowledgment
This research was supported by the National Dairy Council.

amusedmonkey · July 2018

I will only share my personal anecdote because I'm too tired to read these studies. I usually eat a diet high in dairy because it's my preferred source of protein (not a big fan of meat). I also cut dairy out completely for 40 some days twice a year. I have noticed zero difference in weight loss in either eating pattern.

psuLemon · July 2018

Once i only skimmed the articles but it's fairly well know that if you have two isocaloric diets but protein isn't controlled, the one with higher protein will always drive higher weight loss. There are just so many benefits of higher protein, including increased energy output, maintenance of metabolic functions, etc..

jgnatca · July 2018

I love dairy and I have it daily. It helps me get my protein.

As an aside to the rabbit trail:

https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/hca.html

pinuplove · July 2018

This reminds me of the Weight Loss Tips From 1951 thread. Everything old is new again, eventually!
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10681668/weight-loss-tips-from-1951/p1

psuLemon · July 2018

While the overall design of the first one was ok, it fails on a few parts; there is a high protein group as compared to the other two. In fact, its about double the protein. Also, calorie restriction wasn't equal across groups. The high protein did have a smaller deficit, which helps protect lean body mass. If you look at the differences between the adequate protein groups (medium dairy vs low dairy) there is no statistical difference. Meaning, dairy/calcium didn't have an impact.

Really what this further demonstrates is the impact of high protein when combined with resistance training.

MostlyWater · July 2018

I'm also not clicking the link. I do what I think is best; I eat dairy. Yogurt and cheese, mostly.

nooshi713 · July 2018

I get a good portion of my calories from dairy and love it. I have no ill effecrs and I feel great consuming it.

gia_incognito · July 2018

Seems interesting that the study is sponsored by the dairy association.

Nony_Mouse · July 2018

I eat a (very) high dairy diet. My weight loss is completely consistent with the anticipated 1 lb per 3500 cal deficit.

born_of_fire74 · July 2018

Dairy is a good, easy source of protein no matter who sponsors the studies. Many people find dairy highly satiating which is very important to weight loss and maintenance. If you like dairy, eat dairy. If you don't, there are plenty of other sources of protein and plenty of other things that you might find satiating.

It's not like there is one magic food type that is the key to everyone's success. Dairy works for some and not for others.

AnvilHead · July 2018

Only if you don't understand how study funding works.

ExistingFish · July 2018

I get a lot of my protein from dairy. I consider it an important part of a budget high protein diet.

fb47 · July 2018

Talk about using a cherry picked data supported by the dairy industry. Dairy is great, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't take the study seriously. I doubt the dairy industry would show arguments against their own industry which is why I say not to take those studies too seriously.

deannalfisher · July 2018

why not instead of looking at the funding - look at the construction of the study - once a study is funded, its out of the hands of the funders on what happens to the research - the people researching complete it and then submit to journal for review for publishing - so the dairy farmers association has no input on what is/isn't published

for example - this "randomized, placebo‐controlled trial in 32 obese adults" - while its a smaller study group than i would like - its a relatively strong study format; protein across this one was relatively controlled (17-18% across the 3 groups)

whereas:
Ninety participants were randomized to 3 groups (n = 30/group): high protein, high dairy (HPHD), adequate protein, medium dairy (APMD), and adequate protein, low dairy (APLD) differing in the quantity of total dietary protein and dairy food-source protein consumed

it would have been better if the protein intake had been controlled across the study groups - have 3 study groups with fixed protein, variable diary and 3 with variable protein, fixed dairy would have been a better study construction

scorcher117 · July 2018

Y'all ever think it's weird we are the only animal that drinks another animals milk?

Gamliela · July 2018

I feel fortunate to have the genetic makeup to be able to digest dairy products. I love it all, goat, cow, sheep cheese, yogurt, icecream ... hard cheese, cream cheese, soft cheese....

ccrdragon · July 2018

Not true - there are lots of animals when given the opportunity will drink another animal's milk.

kimny72 · July 2018

We are the only animal to do a lot of things.
And other animals will drink another animals milk, if given the opportunity. Farm cats will make sure they're nearby when the cows are getting milked. Many predators are more than happy to find milk in a prey's remains. We are just advanced enough we don't have to corner said animal and physically milk it ourselves or kill it every time we want some.

nooshi713 · July 2018

Amen

born_of_fire74 · July 2018

The only thing humans do that other animals don't is insist upon human exceptionalism.

mbaker566 · July 2018

i could see the point.
dairy has fat and protein which may help you feel fuller longer. plus help recovery after a workout. or so i've heard many times.
i eat a lot of diary...cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, sour cream, ice cream

AnvilHead · July 2018

I don't know, let me go ask my cat - she just finished drinking some goat milk, which she absolutely loves, and drinks every day.

To answer the question, I don't think it's any weirder than the fact that we're also the only animal who drives cars, watches television, listens to radio, uses computers, reads books, wears clothes and shoes, cooks with fire, exchanges currency, holds elections, flies airplanes, shops in grocery stores, gets haircuts, undergoes formal education, develops medicines, awards Nobel Prizes, communicates by telephone, dives with SCUBA equipment, rides motorcycles.....the list goes on and on. So I'm not sure exactly what your point was. Are you saying we should stop doing all those things too, since animals don't do them?

shaumom · July 2018

As I recall, the studies turned out to be making conclusions that were not supported by the research. And if these are the studies I think they are, the dairy council immediately started putting out ads about these ‘results’ but the studies were so poorly done that the FDA actually forced them to take the ads off the air due to the weight loss claims being unsubstantiated, basically.

Keto_Vampire · July 2018

Although this argument does seem to make sense initially. An infant's GI tract changes from one which is better suited (more alkaline stomach acid pH) for absorbing nutrients from (breast) milk to one less suited (more acidic) for digesting a larger variety of foods.

I would perceive this as an in-process/in-complete evolution of humans adapting to being able to consume milk from other animals, transitioning from hunter-gatherer to cultivator. Lactose tolerance varies greatly among us based on genetics/geographic origins (Oriental/Asians generally are the least tolerant).

MsHarryWinston · July 2018

The other day I watch a video a FB group member posted of their two goats nursing from their jersey cow, soooo...

BTW it was adorable. Teeny tiny goats, massive cow just chillin and letting them do their thing.

MikePfirrman · August 2018

If someone has hormone issues, I'd still watch how much dairy they consume in the US. As this article states, Phthalates, which are scientifically proven hormone (endocrine) disruptors, are still present in much of American dairy. There's also an article from the Dairy industry itself on this very topic. It's not tin-foil hat stuff, this is a real issue. The good news is there's been drastic improvement over the last 10 or so years in the US. Also, very good is that two major dairy equipment producers now have Phthalate free equipment (and these two in the article are among the largest in the world). I think I also just read Saint Gobain is now producing Phthalate free tubing as well, so there's a ton of movement in the right direction, but the US is behind Europe as always on protecting its citizens.

https://www.newfoodmagazine.com/news/66621/dairy-equipment-phthalates/

https://www.dairyreporter.com/Article/2018/04/30/Some-farm-equipment-may-be-a-source-of-toxic-chemicals-in-dairy-study-finds

NorthCascades · August 2018

Go ask YouTube about cats and goat milk.

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