A different approach....
annamj2000
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Hello
Since going MFP I’ve been tracking calories and following a lose CICO based diet which is ok but I don’t think is sustainble long term.
I’ve been reading books by Dr Jason Fung (The Obesity Code) and Dr Micheal Mosley (8 week blood sugar diet) and have to say this way of thinking about food is a breath of fresh air to me. I’m a short girl so shifting this last stone is proving v difficult. I’ve decided instead of CICO eating whatever I want or a particular diet I’m going to focus on more of a low carb, high fat (full fat cheese, cream etc) less processed food and ditching the snacking. Keeping my insulin levels as low as possible.
I think this is a much more sustainable and sensible way of eating not just for weight loss but also major health benefits. I guess it’s more along the lines of the Mediterranean way of eating.
Can anyone else comment on this that has done something similar and seen positive results? What are your views on these books and ways of thinking?
Since going MFP I’ve been tracking calories and following a lose CICO based diet which is ok but I don’t think is sustainble long term.
I’ve been reading books by Dr Jason Fung (The Obesity Code) and Dr Micheal Mosley (8 week blood sugar diet) and have to say this way of thinking about food is a breath of fresh air to me. I’m a short girl so shifting this last stone is proving v difficult. I’ve decided instead of CICO eating whatever I want or a particular diet I’m going to focus on more of a low carb, high fat (full fat cheese, cream etc) less processed food and ditching the snacking. Keeping my insulin levels as low as possible.
I think this is a much more sustainable and sensible way of eating not just for weight loss but also major health benefits. I guess it’s more along the lines of the Mediterranean way of eating.
Can anyone else comment on this that has done something similar and seen positive results? What are your views on these books and ways of thinking?
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the main issue that i see from this is that it you're relatively small already you don't have a lot of calories to play with, and as high fat foods are higher in calories then it would be easy to eat more calories than you need.
if low carb, high fat is a sustainable way of eating for you then go for it, but you'll still need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight.16 -
All weight loss uses the principles of CICO even Fung...but I recommend you do some extra research into what he says - he has been discredited many times by the medical community - he’s a quack and as for the blood sugar diet - 800-1000cal a day which is what that seems to promote is horribly unhealthy12
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I don't think the Mediterranean diet is what you think it is.12
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So now Fung is fibbing about what the Mediterranean diet is? Or is that Moseley? Someone started another thread this week about eating low carb like the Mediterranean diet. :huh:
The Mediterranean diet is based on whole grains, veggies, and fruit. It is in no way "low carb".
Insulin does not cause you to gain weight or store fat unless you are in a calorie surplus. If you're up for more research, check out the Blue Zones.13 -
and oily fish, and nuts and seeds. I think Mediterranean plans can be more or less "carby" depending on how you do them. You can eat a Mediterranean style way with virtually no grains. Or lots. Or some.So now Fung is fibbing about what the Mediterranean diet is? Or is that Moseley? Someone started another thread this week about eating low carb like the Mediterranean diet. :huh:
The Mediterranean diet is based on whole grains, veggies, and fruit. It is in no way "low carb".
Insulin does not cause you to gain weight or store fat unless you are in a calorie surplus. If you're up for more research, check out the Blue Zones.
But yes, OP, I'm not clear on how your plan is Mediterranean.6 -
TavistockToad wrote: »the main issue that i see from this is that it you're relatively small already you don't have a lot of calories to play with, and as high fat foods are higher in calories then it would be easy to eat more calories than you need.
if low carb, high fat is a sustainable way of eating for you then go for it, but you'll still need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight.
Eating low carb high fat can be a very sustainable way of eating. I have found that it works for me because it keeps me fuller AND more satisfied. I don't eat super low carb because I love fruit and personally think that having it in moderation, seasonally, is good for you.
That being said, TavistockToad is right. Literally every program can be boiled down to: eat, fewer processed foods, eat in a way that keeps your body satisfied, and eat fewer calories than you're burning. If you aren't keeping track of CICO it can be really easy to put on weight with a HFLC eating plan when you don't have a lot to lose.
You also have to eat in a way that livable for you. Maybe try HFLC without tracking calories for a month and see how you feel. Does the eating feel more natural for you but you're still not losing? Bring back tracking to get you to goal while still eating HFLC. Then you can go into maintenance and you've got a good idea of portions so that you can track less.7 -
So now Fung is fibbing about what the Mediterranean diet is? Or is that Moseley? Someone started another thread this week about eating low carb like the Mediterranean diet. :huh:
The Mediterranean diet is based on whole grains, veggies, and fruit. It is in no way "low carb".
Insulin does not cause you to gain weight or store fat unless you are in a calorie surplus. If you're up for more research, check out the Blue Zones.
I was wondering this too.1 -
Others have already said it, LCHF diets are helpful to some for weight loss because it can lower appetite and cravings. It does seem to be especially helpful to those with IR and too much insulin.
I have early IR. my body tends to release too much insulin in response to carbs which drops my BG rather rapidly leading to cold sweats, shakiness, moodiness and the hangries within 2 hours of eating. Once I switched to LCHF, within a week, my hangries were gone. Now I tend to just eat twice a day with about 4 hours between my meals. I can't do that with higher carbs - I needed to eat every 2 hours and it was hard for me to lose weight when I needed to eat so often.
Try it out (not an 800 kcal diet though) and see if it agrees with you. Don't forget to increase your sodium to replace the electrolytes you'll lose from lowering carbs.
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Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.4
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"Healthier choices" is by no means a way for most people to lose weight. I got fat while "eating healthy." My issue was a I went from working on a horse farm to a desk job, and didn't reduce the amount of healthy food I was eating.
That being said, find what works for you. Ultimately, no matter what some book, research, or anyone here says, what works for you is what works for you.
For me, I *generally* eat a fairly "healthy" and not high carb (although I don't avoid them, either). Calorie counting isn't sustainable for the majority of my life, meal prep has the same problem. My schedule and where I am varies far too often, so I had to find something that would work with my situation. I think I've finally found that plan for me, but I doubt it would work for plenty of other people!3 -
annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I think the key is that this theory that insulin is a huge player in the weight loss/gain process is not widely accepted and to a lot of us is a little sketchy.
Mind you, we all talk about CICO as the be all and end all for weight maintenance, NOT health. Obviously there are more factors to consider for a healthy diet than just the calories. If you eat nothing but pretzels and gummy bears all day, sure your blood glucose will be jumping up and crashing down over and over again, and that's bad. But I'm going to guess you aren't eating that way
Something else to consider - How do you know something is "spiking" your insulin? Unless you are eating highly processed carbs by themselves, a balanced meal or snack that also contains some protein, fat, and/or fiber isn't going to spike anything, even if it contains processed carbs. Our blood glucose level naturally rises when we eat, and then insulin is released to carry that glucose to our cells. That's how it's supposed to work.
I mentioned the Blue Zones upthread - they are areas all over the world with an unusually high number of active centenarians. They all eat diets high in whole grains, nuts, veggies and fruit, with fish and meat as occasional side dishes (except for the 7th Day Adventists in Loma Linda who are vegetarian). That's not to say you have to eat that way to be healthy, but it seems odd if "carbs" and "insulin" are so problematic.
By all means, find a diet that makes you feel healthy and keeps you easily at the right calorie level. But you don'e have to eat low carb to eat a healthy, nutritious diet. You can eat anywhere from high carb to low carb and eat healthy and nutritious, and you can eat anywhere from high carb to low carb and eat an unhealthy junky diet.
Good luck!6 -
You make it sound like calorie counting is inherently unhealthy and involves food choices that you feel are unhealthy. The beauty of MFP (and calorie counting in general) is that you choose your own adventure. All calories count but the macros from which you get those calories are your choice.annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
Nutrition always matters whether you are trying to lose weight or not. "Eat the foods you like" assumes that you understand that nutrition is important. Surely at least some of the foods you like are nutritious? I aim for 80% of my calories from nutrient-dense foods and 20% treats. That gets me covered nutritionally and I don't feel deprived.
If you don't want to count calories, you don't have to do so. Commercial diets have restrictions that get your calorie intake down without actual counting but, whether you count them or not, you need a calorie deficit to lose weight. You can craft your own comfortable way of eating that leaves you at a deficit without needing to track over the long term.8 -
annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.9 -
annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.14 -
annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.
If the posts here are any indication, virtually every long-term user who isn't on an official "plan" is still making choices that consider meeting macro- and micro-nutrient needs, what meal timing works best for them, what foods promote satiety, and what works with their lifestyle. Nobody is just pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-through on the regular, ordering 1,800 calories of cinnamon twists, nacho fries, and steak burritos, and calling it a day.11 -
janejellyroll wrote: »annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.
If the posts here are any indication, virtually every long-term user who isn't on an official "plan" is still making choices that consider meeting macro- and micro-nutrient needs, what meal timing works best for them, what foods promote satiety, and what works with their lifestyle. Nobody is just pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-through on the regular, ordering 1,800 calories of cinnamon twists, nacho fries, and steak burritos, and calling it a day.
This is the second time today someone has referenced Taco Bell as it pertains to a (misconstrued) dietary staple for those following CICO (which is everyone in the world). I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in probably 5+ years but I feel the Gods are trying to tell me something. Tomorrow, I will likely recall why I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in half a decade or more...6 -
I'm not laughing at the original poster, but it makes me giggle to think about someone logging but giving zero *kittens* about nutrition. I think anyone who cares enough to log regularly also cares about their overall health. Obviously there are people who are further along in their journey and some who are still working to eliminate the "unhealthy" foods or trying balance they're ratio of nutrient dense and fun foods, but the forethought is still there.8
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annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
Why do you feel that CICO and eating a healthy diet are mutually exclusive? Are you confusing CICO with calorie counting? Are you under the assumption that "eat whatever you want as long as it's within your calories" is a recommendation to throw nutrition out the window? Is that what you want - to eat non-nutritious foods that don't fill you up?
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WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.
If the posts here are any indication, virtually every long-term user who isn't on an official "plan" is still making choices that consider meeting macro- and micro-nutrient needs, what meal timing works best for them, what foods promote satiety, and what works with their lifestyle. Nobody is just pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-through on the regular, ordering 1,800 calories of cinnamon twists, nacho fries, and steak burritos, and calling it a day.
This is the second time today someone has referenced Taco Bell as it pertains to a (misconstrued) dietary staple for those following CICO (which is everyone in the world). I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in probably 5+ years but I feel the Gods are trying to tell me something. Tomorrow, I will likely recall why I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in half a decade or more...
You gotta go or or it's like you're not really counting calories.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.
If the posts here are any indication, virtually every long-term user who isn't on an official "plan" is still making choices that consider meeting macro- and micro-nutrient needs, what meal timing works best for them, what foods promote satiety, and what works with their lifestyle. Nobody is just pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-through on the regular, ordering 1,800 calories of cinnamon twists, nacho fries, and steak burritos, and calling it a day.
Now I know what I want for dinner. Thanks!
I haven't been to Taco Bell for years but I am suddenly craving cheap burritos.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.
If the posts here are any indication, virtually every long-term user who isn't on an official "plan" is still making choices that consider meeting macro- and micro-nutrient needs, what meal timing works best for them, what foods promote satiety, and what works with their lifestyle. Nobody is just pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-through on the regular, ordering 1,800 calories of cinnamon twists, nacho fries, and steak burritos, and calling it a day.
Now I know what I want for dinner. Thanks!
I haven't been to Taco Bell for years but I am suddenly craving cheap burritos.
Honestly, you can't beat their cheap burrito game. If it's grocery shopping night and I know I'm too tired to make dinner afterwards, that's usually my go-to.4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.
If the posts here are any indication, virtually every long-term user who isn't on an official "plan" is still making choices that consider meeting macro- and micro-nutrient needs, what meal timing works best for them, what foods promote satiety, and what works with their lifestyle. Nobody is just pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-through on the regular, ordering 1,800 calories of cinnamon twists, nacho fries, and steak burritos, and calling it a day.
This is the second time today someone has referenced Taco Bell as it pertains to a (misconstrued) dietary staple for those following CICO (which is everyone in the world). I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in probably 5+ years but I feel the Gods are trying to tell me something. Tomorrow, I will likely recall why I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in half a decade or more...
We all have to make decisions we live to regret once in a while. Discomfort is a thorough teacher. :laugh:4 -
Taco Bell is one of my go-to restaurants when I'm wanting to eat out. The Steak Power Bowl is quite tasty and fairly new so you might not have tried that yet.WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.
If the posts here are any indication, virtually every long-term user who isn't on an official "plan" is still making choices that consider meeting macro- and micro-nutrient needs, what meal timing works best for them, what foods promote satiety, and what works with their lifestyle. Nobody is just pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-through on the regular, ordering 1,800 calories of cinnamon twists, nacho fries, and steak burritos, and calling it a day.
This is the second time today someone has referenced Taco Bell as it pertains to a (misconstrued) dietary staple for those following CICO (which is everyone in the world). I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in probably 5+ years but I feel the Gods are trying to tell me something. Tomorrow, I will likely recall why I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in half a decade or more...1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »annamj2000 wrote: »Thank you for the replies. I just wanted a healthier approach to eating as opposed to the ‘track every calorie regardless of nutritional content’ approach. I want to eat food that won’t have my insulin shooting for the roof and keep me satisfied for longer. I want to lower my carbs but by no means cut them out, I would be miserable! I’m going to carry on tracking as skram01 suggested so as to not go way over my calories with the higher fat foods.
I don't think most people track every calorie without any regard to nutrition. I will be tracking calories forever. I don't think that's unhealthy. I've just been overweight most of my life, so several months of tracking won't "fix" me.
The bolded is important. For some reason, people think that because we don't eat by a specific diet and "just" count calories, this means we don't care about anything else. It's really weird to me! You can eat more than enough lean protein, healthy fat, fiber, and nutrition, and then have a weighed out bowl of ice cream after dinner since nothing is "banned". No one here advocates eating nothing but snack foods purchased at the gas station. Just that you could if for some reason you wanted to and still lose weight. You'd feel like *kitten*, but that's not what we're talking about when we talk about CICO.
If the posts here are any indication, virtually every long-term user who isn't on an official "plan" is still making choices that consider meeting macro- and micro-nutrient needs, what meal timing works best for them, what foods promote satiety, and what works with their lifestyle. Nobody is just pulling up to the Taco Bell drive-through on the regular, ordering 1,800 calories of cinnamon twists, nacho fries, and steak burritos, and calling it a day.
This is the second time today someone has referenced Taco Bell as it pertains to a (misconstrued) dietary staple for those following CICO (which is everyone in the world). I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in probably 5+ years but I feel the Gods are trying to tell me something. Tomorrow, I will likely recall why I haven't eaten at Taco Bell in half a decade or more...
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I've tried not counting and I've never been successful losing weight. I think that if you want to lose weight you should adopt that style of eating, whole foods, but still do CICO. Whenever I want to lose weight that is how I do it.0
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Dr fung is a JOKE. I stopped reading after I saw his name on this post7
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I'm not laughing at the original poster, but it makes me giggle to think about someone logging but giving zero *kittens* about nutrition. I think anyone who cares enough to log regularly also cares about their overall health. Obviously there are people who are further along in their journey and some who are still working to eliminate the "unhealthy" foods or trying balance they're ratio of nutrient dense and fun foods, but the forethought is still there.
To be honest, I see a fair few people who eat to their calories but with little to no fruit and veg. It's not as unheard of as your think.5 -
I agree that some pay attention to calories and nothing else. They don't understand nutrition and don't care to understand nutrition. Losing weight, in and of itself, can accomplish a lot health-wise no matter how you get there.TavistockToad wrote: »
To be honest, I see a fair few people who eat to their calories but with little to no fruit and veg. It's not as unheard of as your think.I'm not laughing at the original poster, but it makes me giggle to think about someone logging but giving zero *kittens* about nutrition. I think anyone who cares enough to log regularly also cares about their overall health. Obviously there are people who are further along in their journey and some who are still working to eliminate the "unhealthy" foods or trying balance they're ratio of nutrient dense and fun foods, but the forethought is still there.
People who count calories can cover the whole spectrum from IDGAF about nutrition to hyper-aware of nutrition, macros, and which foods are satiating.6 -
I agree that some pay attention to calories and nothing else. They don't understand nutrition and don't care to understand nutrition. Losing weight, in and of itself, can accomplish a lot health-wise no matter how you get there.TavistockToad wrote: »
To be honest, I see a fair few people who eat to their calories but with little to no fruit and veg. It's not as unheard of as your think.I'm not laughing at the original poster, but it makes me giggle to think about someone logging but giving zero *kittens* about nutrition. I think anyone who cares enough to log regularly also cares about their overall health. Obviously there are people who are further along in their journey and some who are still working to eliminate the "unhealthy" foods or trying balance they're ratio of nutrient dense and fun foods, but the forethought is still there.
People who count calories can cover the whole spectrum from IDGAF about nutrition to hyper-aware of nutrition, macros, and which foods are satiating.
To be fair, these people probably were not understanding nutrition before they began counting calories. So they're still potentially better off not caring about nutrition and losing weight than they are not caring about nutrition and being overweight.9 -
I agree.janejellyroll wrote: »
To be fair, these people probably were not understanding nutrition before they began counting calories. So they're still potentially better off not caring about nutrition and losing weight than they are not caring about nutrition and being overweight.
I agree that some pay attention to calories and nothing else. They don't understand nutrition and don't care to understand nutrition. Losing weight, in and of itself, can accomplish a lot health-wise no matter how you get there.TavistockToad wrote: »
To be honest, I see a fair few people who eat to their calories but with little to no fruit and veg. It's not as unheard of as your think.I'm not laughing at the original poster, but it makes me giggle to think about someone logging but giving zero *kittens* about nutrition. I think anyone who cares enough to log regularly also cares about their overall health. Obviously there are people who are further along in their journey and some who are still working to eliminate the "unhealthy" foods or trying balance they're ratio of nutrient dense and fun foods, but the forethought is still there.
People who count calories can cover the whole spectrum from IDGAF about nutrition to hyper-aware of nutrition, macros, and which foods are satiating.2
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