How does one get "knocked-out" of Ketosis
LisaMC1R
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I was wondering what constitutes someone getting knocked out of ketosis and how long does it take to get back in to ketosis?
Does a simple splurge on some chocolate knock you out or is it a huge meal of carbs?
Thanks ~L
Does a simple splurge on some chocolate knock you out or is it a huge meal of carbs?
Thanks ~L
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Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.21
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Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?7 -
Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
Thank you so much. Very informational. Thank you for taking the time to respond.0 -
Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?
Thank you for the response. I'm still trying to figure this all out and trying to listen to what my body is telling me.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply.0 -
Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?
So then I'll ask the question - does it matter ? I'm trying to lose weight and I have a lot to lose. I'm trying to stay at 1300 cals and exercising (walking, 5 lb weights, squats)2 -
Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?
So then I'll ask the question - does it matter ? I'm trying to lose weight and I have a lot to lose. I'm trying to stay at 1300 cals and exercising (walking, 5 lb weights, squats)
Ketosis isn't needed for weight loss. If that's your preferred way of eating, there's nothing wrong with it. Some people feel that they are less hungry when eating keto, but others are more satisfied with proteins, or veggies, etc. Everyone is a bit different for feeling full. The key part is meeting your nutritional and caloric needs for weight loss.7 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?
So then I'll ask the question - does it matter ? I'm trying to lose weight and I have a lot to lose. I'm trying to stay at 1300 cals and exercising (walking, 5 lb weights, squats)
Ketosis isn't needed for weight loss. If that's your preferred way of eating, there's nothing wrong with it. Some people feel that they are less hungry when eating keto, but others are more satisfied with proteins, or veggies, etc. Everyone is a bit different for feeling full. The key part is meeting your nutritional and caloric needs for weight loss.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?
So then I'll ask the question - does it matter ? I'm trying to lose weight and I have a lot to lose. I'm trying to stay at 1300 cals and exercising (walking, 5 lb weights, squats)
Ketosis isn't needed for weight loss. If that's your preferred way of eating, there's nothing wrong with it. Some people feel that they are less hungry when eating keto, but others are more satisfied with proteins, or veggies, etc. Everyone is a bit different for feeling full. The key part is meeting your nutritional and caloric needs for weight loss.
No, it's not needed for weight loss but doesn't it really enhance the effort? I'm trying to get more bang for my buck and it really is something I believe in. Eating on keto is more of my way of eating normally. I just consider keto a little added insurance on my weight loss journey.1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?
So then I'll ask the question - does it matter ? I'm trying to lose weight and I have a lot to lose. I'm trying to stay at 1300 cals and exercising (walking, 5 lb weights, squats)
Ketosis isn't needed for weight loss. If that's your preferred way of eating, there's nothing wrong with it. Some people feel that they are less hungry when eating keto, but others are more satisfied with proteins, or veggies, etc. Everyone is a bit different for feeling full. The key part is meeting your nutritional and caloric needs for weight loss.
No, it's not needed for weight loss but doesn't it really enhance the effort? I'm trying to get more bang for my buck and it really is something I believe in. Eating on keto is more of my way of eating normally. I just consider keto a little added insurance on my weight loss journey.
Studies on the effectiveness of diets over time have shown no advantage. Keto shows an initial faster drop due to glycogen depletion which takes water with it. Over time the actual weight loss evens out. If it fits your natural way of eating, that's great, but there's no advantage.7 -
the topic of keto diets vs other approaches to weight loss tends to generate lots of passionate debate (which i'm over). There are lots of strategies to accomplish your goal of losing weight, the most important thing is finding what will work for you over the long haul (because it is a long haul). I personally have found keto best for me because one of the biggest benefits is that I'm simply not as hungry on a keto diet and that keeps me from making bad food choices. Check out this very short study summary:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25402637
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Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?
So then I'll ask the question - does it matter ? I'm trying to lose weight and I have a lot to lose. I'm trying to stay at 1300 cals and exercising (walking, 5 lb weights, squats)
If you are feeling satiated and seeing steady weight loss, while addressing the psychology aspects (like the occasional treat), than being in ketosis doesn't really matter.3 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Your body prefers to use glucose over ketones because too much glucose is damaging to your body (not normal levels of glucose, but too much). If you eat chocolate or a huge carb meal your body will use that glucose first to prevent damage to your cells. It will convert excess glucose to fat to get it out of your blood stream to prevent damage. While that is happening, your body will stop producing or using ketones for energy because its getting energy from glucose and it need to use that up first - and then you are kicked out of ketosis. How long you are out of ketosis is going to be a function of how long you have too much glucose in your bloodstream. The question of how much chocolate/carbs is enough to kick you out of ketosis is dependent on your metabolic rate and what you are doing (you're experience sitting at your desk will be different than consuming carbs while running a marathon). 20 grams of net carbs per day is a rule of thumb where almost everyone will be in nutritional ketosis, but some people are able to stay in ketosis at higher carb levels.
In a person who isn't insulin resistant, glucose will only be an issue if one wants to be in ketosis. But glucose from a meal wouldn't be damaging. It's when there is resistance that excessive glucose can be damaging. Also, glucose will rarely convert to fat (~10% or less, in an energy surplus) based on de novo lipogenesis studies. What generally happens is carbs will either be oxidized for converted to glycogen.. but during the process fat oxidation is suppressed which drives fatty acids to be stored in adipose/tissue.
OP, like All1971 alluded to, it's difficult to make that determination. Activity level, your size, if there are fasting periods, the rest of your diet, etc... can all have an impact on ketosis. At best, you can get a blood monitor and determine levels.
The question I would have is, does it matter if you are or are not technically in ketosis?
So then I'll ask the question - does it matter ? I'm trying to lose weight and I have a lot to lose. I'm trying to stay at 1300 cals and exercising (walking, 5 lb weights, squats)
Ketosis isn't needed for weight loss. If that's your preferred way of eating, there's nothing wrong with it. Some people feel that they are less hungry when eating keto, but others are more satisfied with proteins, or veggies, etc. Everyone is a bit different for feeling full. The key part is meeting your nutritional and caloric needs for weight loss.
No, it's not needed for weight loss but doesn't it really enhance the effort? I'm trying to get more bang for my buck and it really is something I believe in. Eating on keto is more of my way of eating normally. I just consider keto a little added insurance on my weight loss journey.
If you want the biggest bang for your buck, than high protein, high fiber. Ketosis is a byproduct of limit carbs. There is some preliminary research that correlation ketone production to appetite suppression. But if you are satiatied than, it probably doesn't matter.
Overall, in isocaloric studies that maintain protein, there is no additional benefit in carbs vs fat. Where you see improvements in weightloss over other diets is when you increase protein and fiber.3
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