Wanting to start the Mediterranean Diet
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To me, CICO is about how much you're going to weigh. Those that choose to eat a Mediterranean style diet are choosing something they believe that long term will lead to less chronic illness and perhaps a better long-term quality of life. Certainly in the "BlueZones" they've demonstrated that those that live the longest eat similar to what has been proposed as the Mediterranean style of eating. You can follow CICO and I can follow CICO eating two completely different diets and we're both using CICO to lose weight (or maintain or gain). I just happen to believe that if my version to keep me at maintenance is made up of healthier choices instead of the "Twinkie Diet" that that one professor made so famous, I'll eventually and hopefully reap the rewards.
When that professor was asked why he wouldn't just keep eating Twinkies if it didn't matter for CICO what you ate, he replied, "because I want to set a good example for my daughters". Also interesting when he lost the weight on the Twinkie diet, he still ate vegetables in front of his kids to set the example. Ah, so it matters when you believe your kids might think there's no difference between green beans and a Twinkie?? So even the guy that wanted to prove no matter what you eat, CICO still wins out, wouldn't do it forever because he was fearful for his daughter's health.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.1 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »To me, CICO is about how much you're going to weigh. Those that choose to eat a Mediterranean style diet are choosing something they believe that long term will lead to less chronic illness and perhaps a better long-term quality of life. Certainly in the "BlueZones" they've demonstrated that those that live the longest eat similar to what has been proposed as the Mediterranean style of eating. You can follow CICO and I can follow CICO eating two completely different diets and we're both using CICO to lose weight (or maintain or gain). I just happen to believe that if my version to keep me at maintenance is made up of healthier choices instead of the "Twinkie Diet" that that one professor made so famous, I'll eventually and hopefully reap the rewards.
When that professor was asked why he wouldn't just keep eating Twinkies if it didn't matter for CICO what you ate, he replied, "because I want to set a good example for my daughters". Also interesting when he lost the weight on the Twinkie diet, he still ate vegetables in front of his kids to set the example. Ah, so it matters when you believe your kids might think there's no difference between green beans and a Twinkie?? So even the guy that wanted to prove no matter what you eat, CICO still wins out, wouldn't do it forever because he was fearful for his daughter's health.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.
Who or what is this in response to? Who said that what you eat doesn't affect your health?4 -
I am just of the opinion that CICO is not something you "do". It "happens" all the time, regardless of what you "do". Mediterranean, Keto, Paleo, High Carb, Low Carb etc...2
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MikePfirrman wrote: »To me, CICO is about how much you're going to weigh. Those that choose to eat a Mediterranean style diet are choosing something they believe that long term will lead to less chronic illness and perhaps a better long-term quality of life. Certainly in the "BlueZones" they've demonstrated that those that live the longest eat similar to what has been proposed as the Mediterranean style of eating. You can follow CICO and I can follow CICO eating two completely different diets and we're both using CICO to lose weight (or maintain or gain). I just happen to believe that if my version to keep me at maintenance is made up of healthier choices instead of the "Twinkie Diet" that that one professor made so famous, I'll eventually and hopefully reap the rewards.
When that professor was asked why he wouldn't just keep eating Twinkies if it didn't matter for CICO what you ate, he replied, "because I want to set a good example for my daughters". Also interesting when he lost the weight on the Twinkie diet, he still ate vegetables in front of his kids to set the example. Ah, so it matters when you believe your kids might think there's no difference between green beans and a Twinkie?? So even the guy that wanted to prove no matter what you eat, CICO still wins out, wouldn't do it forever because he was fearful for his daughter's health.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.
Who or what is this in response to? Who said that what you eat doesn't affect your health?
Perhaps I read his responses wrong, but it seems that Crazyravr was saying that only CICO matters, not how you're deriving your calories or what you're deriving them from. This was precisely the idea why that professor years ago proved you could lose weight on Twinkies. Maybe I have flawed logic, but it's exactly what people are disagreeing over. A style of eating for health is not the same as a style of eating for weight loss.
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MikePfirrman wrote: »To me, CICO is about how much you're going to weigh. Those that choose to eat a Mediterranean style diet are choosing something they believe that long term will lead to less chronic illness and perhaps a better long-term quality of life. Certainly in the "BlueZones" they've demonstrated that those that live the longest eat similar to what has been proposed as the Mediterranean style of eating. You can follow CICO and I can follow CICO eating two completely different diets and we're both using CICO to lose weight (or maintain or gain). I just happen to believe that if my version to keep me at maintenance is made up of healthier choices instead of the "Twinkie Diet" that that one professor made so famous, I'll eventually and hopefully reap the rewards.
When that professor was asked why he wouldn't just keep eating Twinkies if it didn't matter for CICO what you ate, he replied, "because I want to set a good example for my daughters". Also interesting when he lost the weight on the Twinkie diet, he still ate vegetables in front of his kids to set the example. Ah, so it matters when you believe your kids might think there's no difference between green beans and a Twinkie?? So even the guy that wanted to prove no matter what you eat, CICO still wins out, wouldn't do it forever because he was fearful for his daughter's health.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.
Proving only that he did what he did to make a point, and that he understands the concepts of context and dosage within one's diet for adequate nutrition and health. Good for him.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »To me, CICO is about how much you're going to weigh. Those that choose to eat a Mediterranean style diet are choosing something they believe that long term will lead to less chronic illness and perhaps a better long-term quality of life. Certainly in the "BlueZones" they've demonstrated that those that live the longest eat similar to what has been proposed as the Mediterranean style of eating. You can follow CICO and I can follow CICO eating two completely different diets and we're both using CICO to lose weight (or maintain or gain). I just happen to believe that if my version to keep me at maintenance is made up of healthier choices instead of the "Twinkie Diet" that that one professor made so famous, I'll eventually and hopefully reap the rewards.
When that professor was asked why he wouldn't just keep eating Twinkies if it didn't matter for CICO what you ate, he replied, "because I want to set a good example for my daughters". Also interesting when he lost the weight on the Twinkie diet, he still ate vegetables in front of his kids to set the example. Ah, so it matters when you believe your kids might think there's no difference between green beans and a Twinkie?? So even the guy that wanted to prove no matter what you eat, CICO still wins out, wouldn't do it forever because he was fearful for his daughter's health.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Despite his temporary success, Haub does not recommend replicating his snack-centric diet.
Who or what is this in response to? Who said that what you eat doesn't affect your health?
Perhaps I read his responses wrong, but it seems that Crazyravr was saying that only CICO matters, not how you're deriving your calories or what you're deriving them from. This was precisely the idea why that professor years ago proved you could lose weight on Twinkies. Maybe I have flawed logic, but it's exactly what people are disagreeing over. A style of eating for health is not the same as a style of eating for weight loss.
I believe what he is saying is that only CICO matters for weight loss, but perhaps his meaning is in the eye of the beholder
I've only ever seen the Twinkie Diet experiment mentioned in regards to weight loss, not health, which was why I asked. 2 -
Maybe I read too much into it. And the Twinkie experiment is certainly the extreme of CICO is CICO no matter how the CI part is derived.1
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estherdragonbat wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »CICO isn't a diet.
No? Why is that? Because there are no restrictions?
Because it's an energy equation that's in play whatever way of eating you choose to follow.
So according to you a DIET, is restricting certain foods?
Nope. A diet is eating. You can no more choose to "do" CICO than you can choose to "do" gravity. CICO is the formula that determines whether you lose, gain, or maintain.
I'm on a calorie-restricted diet to lose weight. I'm also kosher and vegetarian, so I do restrict certain foods regardless of my weight. But whether I lose, gain, or maintain, it's still CICO.1 -
I like this way of eating but dont consider it a diet, more a lifestyle.1
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estherdragonbat wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »CICO isn't a diet.
No? Why is that? Because there are no restrictions?
Because it's an energy equation that's in play whatever way of eating you choose to follow.
So according to you a DIET, is restricting certain foods?
Nope. A diet is eating. You can no more choose to "do" CICO than you can choose to "do" gravity. CICO is the formula that determines whether you lose, gain, or maintain.
I'm on a calorie-restricted diet to lose weight. I'm also kosher and vegetarian, so I do restrict certain foods regardless of my weight. But whether I lose, gain, or maintain, it's still CICO.
And we use CICO to get certain results just as gravity is used to get certain results.0 -
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snowflake954 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »CICO isn't a diet.
No? Why is that? Because there are no restrictions?
Because it's an energy equation that's in play whatever way of eating you choose to follow.
So according to you a DIET, is restricting certain foods?
Nope. A diet is eating. You can no more choose to "do" CICO than you can choose to "do" gravity. CICO is the formula that determines whether you lose, gain, or maintain.
I'm on a calorie-restricted diet to lose weight. I'm also kosher and vegetarian, so I do restrict certain foods regardless of my weight. But whether I lose, gain, or maintain, it's still CICO.
And we use CICO to get certain results just as gravity is used to get certain results.
Right, but it happens no matter how you're eating. If you're doing keto, LCHF, vegetarian, low-cal, high-cal, Mediterranean, South Beach, Atkins, healthy, unhealthy, whatever, then CICO is in play. You can't do a CICO diet, because there's no such thing (or it's every such thing and thus meaningless.)1 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »CICO isn't a diet.
No? Why is that? Because there are no restrictions?
Because it's an energy equation that's in play whatever way of eating you choose to follow.
So according to you a DIET, is restricting certain foods?
Nope. A diet is eating. You can no more choose to "do" CICO than you can choose to "do" gravity. CICO is the formula that determines whether you lose, gain, or maintain.
I'm on a calorie-restricted diet to lose weight. I'm also kosher and vegetarian, so I do restrict certain foods regardless of my weight. But whether I lose, gain, or maintain, it's still CICO.
And we use CICO to get certain results just as gravity is used to get certain results.
Right, but it happens no matter how you're eating. If you're doing keto, LCHF, vegetarian, low-cal, high-cal, Mediterranean, South Beach, Atkins, healthy, unhealthy, whatever, then CICO is in play. You can't do a CICO diet, because there's no such thing (or it's every such thing and thus meaningless.)
Exactly--I'm agreeing with you.0 -
Ooops... Sorry 'bout that!0
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Needtoloseweight43 wrote: »I like the reviews of people that live there and know the real diet Mediterranean’s have.
This “Mediterranean diet” it’s another fad , a made up diet, they haven’t included all the pasta breads pizza cakes desserts they are well known for in the med.
Oh my, now I want some fiteer. It's not sold where I live, and probably wouldn't be worth it anyway. Thanks a lot
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