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My strange phenomena / puzzle

tarekhamouda7445
tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
edited December 2024 in Food and Nutrition
Ok, direct to the facts:

Male, 49 yrs, been weight lifting + crazy aerobics for 1 month now, weight is the same, so I am gaining muscle because as per my clothes, I fit in the clothes that used to fit when I was 81-82 KG, I am 86.5 now so either :

1. I gained 4 kg of muscle in one month which is impossible.
2. I am not losing weight which is impossible
3. water retention because of the supplements I am taking (Whey, then shifted to Beef + creatine)

I am going nuts, can someone help me please.

Replies

  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Are you eating at a deficit?

    It's not uncommon to retain water to help with recovery when you begin a new workout plan. Also, as you've noticed, some supplements do lead to water retention as well.

    It's not "impossible" that you aren't losing weight after a month, especially if you are pairing it with a new workout plan.
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
    The increase in exercise plus the change the supplements could be water retention which is masking weight loss on the scale, but I don't know if you would see a difference in the fit of clothing. Water retention always equals clothes feeling tighter for me.

    Are you completely new to lifting, or did you just increase your exercise in the last month?
  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    New to lifting
  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    Are you eating at a deficit?

    It's not uncommon to retain water to help with recovery when you begin a new workout plan. Also, as you've noticed, some supplements do lead to water retention as well.

    It's not "impossible" that you aren't losing weight after a month, especially if you are pairing it with a new workout plan.

    Yes, I track my calories very closely, I am at deficit, some days more than others
  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    Are you eating at a deficit?

    It's not uncommon to retain water to help with recovery when you begin a new workout plan. Also, as you've noticed, some supplements do lead to water retention as well.

    It's not "impossible" that you aren't losing weight after a month, especially if you are pairing it with a new workout plan.

    It is impossible I am not losing weight because my old clothes fit
  • apullum
    apullum Posts: 4,838 Member
    Jane’s right. Your answer is likely 2 and 3.

    You probably didn’t gain 4kg of muscle, but you may have gained some muscle.

    If you aren’t ensuring a calorie deficit via accurate and consistent weighing and logging of your food, then it’s highly likely you did not lose any fat over the past month. In addition, if you’re not tracking your food, you may have unknowingly eaten more than usual and actually gained some fat. Workouts make people hungry.

    Finally, if you just started a new exercise routine, you’re almost certainly retaining water, and that could be the a large portion of the 4kg you’ve gained.
  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    apullum wrote: »
    Jane’s right. Your answer is likely 2 and 3.

    You probably didn’t gain 4kg of muscle, but you may have gained some muscle.

    If you aren’t ensuring a calorie deficit via accurate and consistent weighing and logging of your food, then it’s highly likely you did not lose any fat over the past month. In addition, if you’re not tracking your food, you may have unknowingly eaten more than usual and actually gained some fat. Workouts make people hungry.

    Finally, if you just started a new exercise routine, you’re almost certainly retaining water, and that could be the a large portion of the 4kg you’ve gained.

    Thanks for your feedback, I think you're right about water retention, however I did lose fat around the belly for sure because my skinny shirt is actually loose now.

    I guess no one doesn't lose weight staying in calorie deficit and working out.
  • apullum
    apullum Posts: 4,838 Member
    apullum wrote: »
    Jane’s right. Your answer is likely 2 and 3.

    You probably didn’t gain 4kg of muscle, but you may have gained some muscle.

    If you aren’t ensuring a calorie deficit via accurate and consistent weighing and logging of your food, then it’s highly likely you did not lose any fat over the past month. In addition, if you’re not tracking your food, you may have unknowingly eaten more than usual and actually gained some fat. Workouts make people hungry.

    Finally, if you just started a new exercise routine, you’re almost certainly retaining water, and that could be the a large portion of the 4kg you’ve gained.

    Thanks for your feedback, I think you're right about water retention, however I did lose fat around the belly for sure because my skinny shirt is actually loose now.

    I guess no one doesn't lose weight staying in calorie deficit and working out.

    If you are absolutely certain that you’re in a calorie deficit, then it’s likely water weight.

    If you are not certain that you’re in a calorie deficit (i.e., if you’re not weighing all your food) then you likely are not in a deficit. Almost everyone eats more than they think they do unless they are weighing and tracking their food.

    If you have a small amount of fat to lose, then a month is likely not enough time to see results even if you are in a deficit, and water fluctuations are likely masking any fat loss on the scale.

    You sound like you’ve already made up your mind about what you think the problem is, so I’m not sure what help you’re looking for.
  • kami3006
    kami3006 Posts: 4,979 Member
    edited December 2018
    apullum wrote: »
    Jane’s right. Your answer is likely 2 and 3.

    You probably didn’t gain 4kg of muscle, but you may have gained some muscle.

    If you aren’t ensuring a calorie deficit via accurate and consistent weighing and logging of your food, then it’s highly likely you did not lose any fat over the past month. In addition, if you’re not tracking your food, you may have unknowingly eaten more than usual and actually gained some fat. Workouts make people hungry.

    Finally, if you just started a new exercise routine, you’re almost certainly retaining water, and that could be the a large portion of the 4kg you’ve gained.

    Thanks for your feedback, I think you're right about water retention, however I did lose fat around the belly for sure because my skinny shirt is actually loose now.

    I guess no one doesn't lose weight staying in calorie deficit and working out.

    You can lose fat without losing weight. Weight includes many things besides fat and muscle. Water retention will mask it, as was said above. Once that abates, you'll see the scale catch up as long as you're staying in deficit.
  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    kami3006 wrote: »
    apullum wrote: »
    Jane’s right. Your answer is likely 2 and 3.

    You probably didn’t gain 4kg of muscle, but you may have gained some muscle.

    If you aren’t ensuring a calorie deficit via accurate and consistent weighing and logging of your food, then it’s highly likely you did not lose any fat over the past month. In addition, if you’re not tracking your food, you may have unknowingly eaten more than usual and actually gained some fat. Workouts make people hungry.

    Finally, if you just started a new exercise routine, you’re almost certainly retaining water, and that could be the a large portion of the 4kg you’ve gained.

    Thanks for your feedback, I think you're right about water retention, however I did lose fat around the belly for sure because my skinny shirt is actually loose now.

    I guess no one doesn't lose weight staying in calorie deficit and working out.

    You can lose fat without losing weight. Weight includes many things besides fat and muscle. Water retention will mask it, as was said above. Once that abides, you'll see the scale catch up as long as you're staying in deficit.

    Thanks
  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    apullum wrote: »
    apullum wrote: »
    Jane’s right. Your answer is likely 2 and 3.

    You probably didn’t gain 4kg of muscle, but you may have gained some muscle.

    If you aren’t ensuring a calorie deficit via accurate and consistent weighing and logging of your food, then it’s highly likely you did not lose any fat over the past month. In addition, if you’re not tracking your food, you may have unknowingly eaten more than usual and actually gained some fat. Workouts make people hungry.

    Finally, if you just started a new exercise routine, you’re almost certainly retaining water, and that could be the a large portion of the 4kg you’ve gained.

    Thanks for your feedback, I think you're right about water retention, however I did lose fat around the belly for sure because my skinny shirt is actually loose now.

    I guess no one doesn't lose weight staying in calorie deficit and working out.

    If you are absolutely certain that you’re in a calorie deficit, then it’s likely water weight.

    If you are not certain that you’re in a calorie deficit (i.e., if you’re not weighing all your food) then you likely are not in a deficit. Almost everyone eats more than they think they do unless they are weighing and tracking their food.

    If you have a small amount of fat to lose, then a month is likely not enough time to see results even if you are in a deficit, and water fluctuations are likely masking any fat loss on the scale.

    You sound like you’ve already made up your mind about what you think the problem is, so I’m not sure what help you’re looking for.

    You've given me all the help you can give, thanks.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Are you eating at a deficit?

    It's not uncommon to retain water to help with recovery when you begin a new workout plan. Also, as you've noticed, some supplements do lead to water retention as well.

    It's not "impossible" that you aren't losing weight after a month, especially if you are pairing it with a new workout plan.

    It is impossible I am not losing weight because my old clothes fit

    You said in the OP that your weight is the same. So it's not impossible, it is what has happened. Your weight hasn't changed.

    What's left it so figure out why. My guess is that it is the new activity (plus possibly your supplements).

  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    edited December 2018
    Are you eating at a deficit?

    It's not uncommon to retain water to help with recovery when you begin a new workout plan. Also, as you've noticed, some supplements do lead to water retention as well.

    It's not "impossible" that you aren't losing weight after a month, especially if you are pairing it with a new workout plan.

    It is impossible I am not losing weight because my old clothes fit

    You said in the OP that your weight is the same. So it's not impossible, it is what has happened. Your weight hasn't changed.

    What's left it so figure out why. My guess is that it is the new activity (plus possibly your supplements).

    I don't know what is going on, my body composition and clothes are telling me I am more muscular and less fat, however the scale is saying no body weight change.

    I had an experience with the Whey a couple of weeks ago, same situation, scale not moving, quit Whey for two days and boom down 2.5kg in two days, that why I moved to beef protein thinking that maybe it was the dairy causing water retention, but I guess I need to stop protein powders for sometime to see whats going on.

    Forgot to say I am on Creatine as well
  • kami3006
    kami3006 Posts: 4,979 Member
    Are you eating at a deficit?

    It's not uncommon to retain water to help with recovery when you begin a new workout plan. Also, as you've noticed, some supplements do lead to water retention as well.

    It's not "impossible" that you aren't losing weight after a month, especially if you are pairing it with a new workout plan.

    It is impossible I am not losing weight because my old clothes fit

    You said in the OP that your weight is the same. So it's not impossible, it is what has happened. Your weight hasn't changed.

    What's left it so figure out why. My guess is that it is the new activity (plus possibly your supplements).

    I don't know what is going on, my body composition and clothes are telling me I am more muscular and less fat, however the scale is saying no body weight change.

    I had an experience with the Whey a couple of weeks ago, same situation, scale not moving, quit Whey for two days and boom down 2.5kg in two days, that why I moved to beef protein thinking that maybe it was the dairy causing water retention, but I guess I need to stop protein powders for sometime to see whats going on.

    I think you need to give it more time before making any changes. If you keep changing things every couple weeks then you won't know what is or isn't working. Give the scale time to catch up. Go at least four solid weeks with the same routine (both eating and exercise wise).
  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    kami3006 wrote: »
    Are you eating at a deficit?

    It's not uncommon to retain water to help with recovery when you begin a new workout plan. Also, as you've noticed, some supplements do lead to water retention as well.

    It's not "impossible" that you aren't losing weight after a month, especially if you are pairing it with a new workout plan.

    It is impossible I am not losing weight because my old clothes fit

    You said in the OP that your weight is the same. So it's not impossible, it is what has happened. Your weight hasn't changed.

    What's left it so figure out why. My guess is that it is the new activity (plus possibly your supplements).

    I don't know what is going on, my body composition and clothes are telling me I am more muscular and less fat, however the scale is saying no body weight change.

    I had an experience with the Whey a couple of weeks ago, same situation, scale not moving, quit Whey for two days and boom down 2.5kg in two days, that why I moved to beef protein thinking that maybe it was the dairy causing water retention, but I guess I need to stop protein powders for sometime to see whats going on.

    I think you need to give it more time before making any changes. If you keep changing things every couple weeks then you won't know what is or isn't working. Give the scale time to catch up. Go at least four solid weeks with the same routine (both eating and exercise wise).

    Makes sense, thanks
  • tarekhamouda7445
    tarekhamouda7445 Posts: 465 Member
    Just visited the Nutritionist, in one month I lost 1.2KG of fat, gained 2.5 KG of muscle mass (but she said that can't be true, so probably some water retention is taking place), lost 4 CM off my waist.

    Just thought to share.
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