PEGAN DIET SPECS
atari07chik
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Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
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atari07chik wrote: »Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
Don't both the paleo and vegan diets each say they'll improve gut and mental health? Are you hoping for double the benefit?
Only curious; in my world it'd be near impossible to do vegan and paleo at the same time--but to be fair I've never given it a chance.
EDIT: To be clear, I've dieted paleo in the past with positive results. I enjoy meat too much to try anything resembling vegan.0 -
atari07chik wrote: »Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
Don't both the paleo and vegan diets each say they'll improve gut and mental health? Are you hoping for double the benefit?
Only curious; in my world it'd be near impossible to do vegan and paleo at the same time--but to be fair I've never given it a chance.
EDIT: To be clear, I've dieted paleo in the past with positive results. I enjoy meat too much to try anything resembling vegan.
The "pegan diet," as advocated by Mark Hyman isn't veganism, as it contains meat. So if veganism does improve gut and mental health (which, to my knowledge, isn't supported by any research), this diet wouldn't provide those benefits.
I know of some people who are attempting to combine vegan and paleo ways of eating, but "peganism" ain't that.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »atari07chik wrote: »Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
Don't both the paleo and vegan diets each say they'll improve gut and mental health? Are you hoping for double the benefit?
Only curious; in my world it'd be near impossible to do vegan and paleo at the same time--but to be fair I've never given it a chance.
EDIT: To be clear, I've dieted paleo in the past with positive results. I enjoy meat too much to try anything resembling vegan.
The "pegan diet," as advocated by Mark Hyman isn't veganism, as it contains meat. So if veganism does improve gut and mental health (which, to my knowledge, isn't supported by any research), this diet wouldn't provide those benefits.
I know of some people who are attempting to combine vegan and paleo ways of eating, but "peganism" ain't that.
I must have picked the wrong article from Google to educate myself on it before commenting. I misunderstood it as a vegan-compliant version of paleo. It's more of a compromise between the two.
Sorry to get off the subject--I was more trying to feel out what pegan is, and as a result have provided nothing valuable to the OP.
OP: Be sure to let us know how it works out for you.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »atari07chik wrote: »Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
Don't both the paleo and vegan diets each say they'll improve gut and mental health? Are you hoping for double the benefit?
Only curious; in my world it'd be near impossible to do vegan and paleo at the same time--but to be fair I've never given it a chance.
EDIT: To be clear, I've dieted paleo in the past with positive results. I enjoy meat too much to try anything resembling vegan.
The "pegan diet," as advocated by Mark Hyman isn't veganism, as it contains meat. So if veganism does improve gut and mental health (which, to my knowledge, isn't supported by any research), this diet wouldn't provide those benefits.
I know of some people who are attempting to combine vegan and paleo ways of eating, but "peganism" ain't that.
I must have picked the wrong article from Google to educate myself on it before commenting. I misunderstood it as a vegan-compliant version of paleo. It's more of a compromise between the two.
Sorry to get off the subject--I was more trying to feel out what pegan is, and as a result have provided nothing valuable to the OP.
OP: Be sure to let us know how it works out for you.
Understandable. I feel like it's an inherently confusing concept!1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »atari07chik wrote: »Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
Don't both the paleo and vegan diets each say they'll improve gut and mental health? Are you hoping for double the benefit?
Only curious; in my world it'd be near impossible to do vegan and paleo at the same time--but to be fair I've never given it a chance.
EDIT: To be clear, I've dieted paleo in the past with positive results. I enjoy meat too much to try anything resembling vegan.
The "pegan diet," as advocated by Mark Hyman isn't veganism, as it contains meat. So if veganism does improve gut and mental health (which, to my knowledge, isn't supported by any research), this diet wouldn't provide those benefits.
I know of some people who are attempting to combine vegan and paleo ways of eating, but "peganism" ain't that.
I must have picked the wrong article from Google to educate myself on it before commenting. I misunderstood it as a vegan-compliant version of paleo. It's more of a compromise between the two.
Sorry to get off the subject--I was more trying to feel out what pegan is, and as a result have provided nothing valuable to the OP.
OP: Be sure to let us know how it works out for you.
Understandable. I feel like it's an inherently confusing concept!
I had a quick Google... apparently it'll be big in 2019... joy!1 -
Looks similar to vegan but you do have meat as a side dish, not a main. I hate beans!0
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TavistockToad wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »atari07chik wrote: »Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
Don't both the paleo and vegan diets each say they'll improve gut and mental health? Are you hoping for double the benefit?
Only curious; in my world it'd be near impossible to do vegan and paleo at the same time--but to be fair I've never given it a chance.
EDIT: To be clear, I've dieted paleo in the past with positive results. I enjoy meat too much to try anything resembling vegan.
The "pegan diet," as advocated by Mark Hyman isn't veganism, as it contains meat. So if veganism does improve gut and mental health (which, to my knowledge, isn't supported by any research), this diet wouldn't provide those benefits.
I know of some people who are attempting to combine vegan and paleo ways of eating, but "peganism" ain't that.
I must have picked the wrong article from Google to educate myself on it before commenting. I misunderstood it as a vegan-compliant version of paleo. It's more of a compromise between the two.
Sorry to get off the subject--I was more trying to feel out what pegan is, and as a result have provided nothing valuable to the OP.
OP: Be sure to let us know how it works out for you.
Understandable. I feel like it's an inherently confusing concept!
I had a quick Google... apparently it'll be big in 2019... joy!
God forbid we start the new year without an anointed "trendy named diet".
OP, I really have no idea what the pegan diet entails, but macro distribution is generally personal preference. If whoever designed the diet didn't say a specific macro layout was necessary for the benefits you are hoping to see, then I would just stick with what you're comfortable with. In general, the common advice here is to strive for 0.6-0.8g of protein per lb of your goal weight, and 0.3g of fat per the same.1 -
I'm pagan. LOL3
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TavistockToad wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »atari07chik wrote: »Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
Don't both the paleo and vegan diets each say they'll improve gut and mental health? Are you hoping for double the benefit?
Only curious; in my world it'd be near impossible to do vegan and paleo at the same time--but to be fair I've never given it a chance.
EDIT: To be clear, I've dieted paleo in the past with positive results. I enjoy meat too much to try anything resembling vegan.
The "pegan diet," as advocated by Mark Hyman isn't veganism, as it contains meat. So if veganism does improve gut and mental health (which, to my knowledge, isn't supported by any research), this diet wouldn't provide those benefits.
I know of some people who are attempting to combine vegan and paleo ways of eating, but "peganism" ain't that.
I must have picked the wrong article from Google to educate myself on it before commenting. I misunderstood it as a vegan-compliant version of paleo. It's more of a compromise between the two.
Sorry to get off the subject--I was more trying to feel out what pegan is, and as a result have provided nothing valuable to the OP.
OP: Be sure to let us know how it works out for you.
Understandable. I feel like it's an inherently confusing concept!
I had a quick Google... apparently it'll be big in 2019... joy!
Oh no, RIP my temper.3 -
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flippy1234 wrote: »Looks similar to vegan but you do have meat as a side dish, not a main. I hate beans!
Veganism is an ethical position on animal exploitation, so eating animals but less than you did before isn't "similar" at all.
This is a diet huckster (Mark Hyman) seeing two separate things he wasn't making money on (veganism, paleo) and attempting to combine them into something that he could make money on. Since he fundamentally fails to understand at least one of the concepts, it's incoherent.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »flippy1234 wrote: »Looks similar to vegan but you do have meat as a side dish, not a main. I hate beans!
Veganism is an ethical position on animal exploitation, so eating animals but less than you did before isn't "similar" at all.
This is a diet huckster (Mark Hyman) seeing two separate things he wasn't making money on (veganism, paleo) and attempting to combine them into something that he could make money on. Since he fundamentally fails to understand at least one of the concepts, it's incoherent.
Yeah, he would've been better to go with vegetarian-paleo. Honestly I don't know enough about paleo to know if that even makes sense, but at least it is better than trying to qualify "vegan".
Excuse me while I go buy "vegipaleo.com". Or Paleotarian.com.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »flippy1234 wrote: »Looks similar to vegan but you do have meat as a side dish, not a main. I hate beans!
Veganism is an ethical position on animal exploitation, so eating animals but less than you did before isn't "similar" at all.
This is a diet huckster (Mark Hyman) seeing two separate things he wasn't making money on (veganism, paleo) and attempting to combine them into something that he could make money on. Since he fundamentally fails to understand at least one of the concepts, it's incoherent.
Yeah, he would've been better to go with vegetarian-paleo. Honestly I don't know enough about paleo to know if that even makes sense, but at least it is better than trying to qualify "vegan".
Excuse me while I go buy "vegipaleo.com". Or Paleotarian.com.
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janejellyroll wrote: »flippy1234 wrote: »Looks similar to vegan but you do have meat as a side dish, not a main. I hate beans!
Veganism is an ethical position on animal exploitation, so eating animals but less than you did before isn't "similar" at all.
This is a diet huckster (Mark Hyman) seeing two separate things he wasn't making money on (veganism, paleo) and attempting to combine them into something that he could make money on. Since he fundamentally fails to understand at least one of the concepts, it's incoherent.
Yeah, he would've been better to go with vegetarian-paleo. Honestly I don't know enough about paleo to know if that even makes sense, but at least it is better than trying to qualify "vegan".
Excuse me while I go buy "vegipaleo.com". Or Paleotarian.com.
I like paleotarian!!!!! :flowerforyou:1 -
definitely paleotarian0
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Awesome. I'm gonna be a star! I just need a website, err umm, school to give me a certification that involves putting letters after my name and I'm set!
ETA: Dammit, that site is taken. But for a political term, not a diet. And the links don't go anywhere. Phooey. I did however learn that there is something called "pollotarian".0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »flippy1234 wrote: »Looks similar to vegan but you do have meat as a side dish, not a main. I hate beans!
Veganism is an ethical position on animal exploitation, so eating animals but less than you did before isn't "similar" at all.
This is a diet huckster (Mark Hyman) seeing two separate things he wasn't making money on (veganism, paleo) and attempting to combine them into something that he could make money on. Since he fundamentally fails to understand at least one of the concepts, it's incoherent.
I listen to an ethical vegan podcast occasionally, and a while back the guys who do it were talking about people who wanted to do vegan but with fish (on the grounds that fish made the way of eating healthier and that they didn't have the same objections as to dairy/egg production and animal ag). I think that might have been called pegan too. And then there was something similar but with eggs instead of fish (veggan). The hosts found both very annoying, if they discuss this new thing and the name, I may have to listen for the heads exploding.1 -
I thought Dr. Oz came up with this earlier this year? Must not have taken off in 2018, so here's to 2019!0
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Awesome. I'm gonna be a star! I just need a website, err umm, school to give me a certification that involves putting letters after my name and I'm set!
ETA: Dammit, that site is taken. But for a political term, not a diet. And the links don't go anywhere. Phooey. I did however learn that there is something called "pollotarian".
I was about to mail you your certificate after answering one skill testing question.atari07chik wrote: »Hey all!! Just upgraded to premier and loving it! So I’m trying to get the percentages of total macros if I’m following the pegan diet. Gonna try it for thirty days and see if it truly does improve gut and mental health.
The science on gut health is in its infancy still. I'm sure there will be more coming out soon enough, but I have no doubt it will be argued for years. For macros, they are more flexible. It's a good idea to ensure you are getting enough protein and fat, since they are important for muscle, organ, and hormonal health. Why not log what you would normally eat and then slowly make changes towards what you want in your diet. Focus on what you want to add, rather than on what you are giving up. This can also help with emotional state, since you are looking at the positives and heading in the direction you want. Exercise can also be beneficial for mental health, although this isn't universal.3 -
So out of curiosity I looked it up, and there are 13 "pillars" and nothing about macros, so I would not worry about specific pegan (new name is needed!) macros. I would figure out a good protein goal (I like .8 g x goal weight in lbs), since if you are new to cutting back on meat you might go lower than you want, especially if you do low calories.
On the pillars, my thoughts:
1) "Stay away from sugar, flour, and refined carbohydrates. He then says you can consume in moderation." Shrug, I kind of think sugar and highly refined carbs should be consumed in moderation too, although I don't think of pasta with a lot of veg and some protein as a "recreational drug." Actual paleo would cut out all grains.
2) "Eat mostly plants." I agree with this. I also agree about prioritizing non starchy veg. I think this is common sense advice and not really about a specific diet.
3) "Easy on fruits.... Some Paleo champions recommend eating mostly low-sugar fruits like berries, while some vegan advocates recommend all fruit equally. I find that most of my patients feel better when they stick to low-glycemic fruits and enjoy the others as a treat." I think this is dumb. Fruit can have a good amount of calories and isn't a replacement for non starchy veg, but beyond that I think telling people to limit the types of fruit they eat and to worry about fruit is bad advice, and not really about "gut health." Ugh! on this one.
4) "Stay away from pesticides, antibiotics, hormones, and GMO foods. Also, no chemicals, additives, preservatives, dyes, artificial sweeteners, or other junk ingredients. If you don’t have that ingredient in your kitchen for cooking, you shouldn’t eat it. Polysorbate 60, red dye 40, and sodium stearoyl lactylate (also known as Twinkie ingredients), anyone?" Sigh. He is assuming people are ignorant. I personally think it's a good idea to understand what you eat. I don't think any currently marketed GMOs are issues. I buy from local farms for personal and ethical reasons and so eat a bunch of organics, but I don't think there's good evidence that it matters for health, it's more expensive, and they do use some pesticides on organics too (approved ones).
5) "Eat foods containing healthy fats. I’m talking about omega-3 fatty acids and other good fats like those we find in nuts, seeds, olive oil, and avocados." I agree with this, and also about including fish in the diet. I also do tend to go for grassfed meat, although the difference in fat composition is not nearly as great as he suggests.
6) "Stay away from most vegetable, nut, and seed oils, such as canola, sunflower, corn, grapeseed, and especially soybean oil, which now accounts for about 10 percent of our calories. Small amounts of expeller or cold-pressed nut and seed oils like sesame, macadamia, and walnut oils are fine to use as condiments or for flavoring. Avocado oil is great for higher-temperature cooking." I do this personally. You will see much disagreement, especially re canola, from people I respect more than Hymen, however, like (if memory serves) Walter Willett.
7) "Avoid or limit dairy. Dairy doesn’t work for most people..." This is dishonest, IMO. Dairy doesn't work for most people worldwide due to a genetic mutation they don't have but most from northern and western Europe do have, and if dairy works for you I don't see any rational reason to avoid it unless you have an ethical or taste issue with it. That said, this is also a paleo thing AND a vegan thing, so might as well include it.
8) "Think of meat and animal products as condiments or, as I like to call them, “condi-meat” — not a main course. Vegetables should take center stage, and meat should be the side dish. Servings should be 4 to 6 ounces, tops, per meal. I often make three or four vegetable side dishes." I happen to agree with this. It's definitely NOT veganism, though.
9) "Eat sustainably raised or harvested low-mercury fish. If you are eating fish, you should choose low-mercury and low-toxin varieties such as sardines, herring, anchovies, and wild-caught salmon (all of which have high omega-3 and low mercury levels). And they should be sustainably harvested or farmed. Check out http://www.cleanfish.com/and http://www.foodthebook.com/to learn more about your fish options." I agree with this too.
10) "Avoid gluten." Sigh, total faddishness.
11) "Eat gluten-free whole grains sparingly. They still raise blood sugar and can trigger autoimmunity. All grains can increase your blood sugar." Sigh again, and not true with healthy people. I don't love grains and so tend to limit them because of personal preference, but I don't pretend that makes my diet healthier.
12) "Eat beans only once in a while. Lentils are best. Stay away from big starchy beans. Beans can be a great source of fiber, protein, and minerals. But they cause digestive problems for some, and the lectins and phytates they contain may impair mineral absorption." This is the worse and most woo-tastic aspect of paleo. If you cook the beans, they are fine. If they give you digestive issues, and soaking isn't sufficient sprouted is good. Personally, I think for how healthy they are, and such a good source of non animal protein, beans are underconsumed in the average American diet.
13) "Get tested to personalize your approach. What works for one person may not work for another. This is called bio-individuality and it is why I recommend that everyone eventually work with a functionally trained nutritionist to personalize his or her diet even further with the right tests." Well, this is self-serving and basically garbage, IMO.5 -
Stay away from big starchy beans.
You'll never get my big beans away from me!
Seriously though, can I take a moment and point out how silly it is to think that the "bigness" of a bean is related to its nutritional value? Kidney beans do have a bit less fiber than lentils, but lentils also have more sugar. Since they both have the same amount of carbohydrates per cup serving, it's basically majoring in the minors to focus on the "bigness" of your beans.
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