Put on muscles in 12 days?

huango

How much muscles can a 14 years old put on in 12 days?

Situation:
Freshman Son is 145-148#.
He's wrestling at 145# weight class.
He barely made weight for yesterday's meet.

I want him to move up to the next weight class 152#.
He has 12 days over Xmas break between his meets.

He's 14.5 years old.
5'5"
145-148#
13.5% body fat
can do 16 pullups
he's strong, not sure how much he can bench/deadlift, but he's been wrestling his buddy who is 175# for over a year.

He had his growth spurt at 11-13 years old (going from 4'7" to 5'5" and from 70# to 155#).
We are praying that he has some more growing to do (height-wise), so I want to make sure he's getting all the necessary nutrients.

Daddy is 5'9"
I'm 4'11".



I'm not happy with him having to worry about making 145.
I rather he eats lots and gain muscles with wriggle room in the 152 class, rather than worrying about having to drop weight.

Anyone have experience with wrestling and weight class choice, or weight training for competition (time is a factor), etc?

Really appreciate any thoughts, even coming as what would a Mother do...

Thank you.

TavistockToad

days?

nothing appreciable is happening in days....

sijomial

Adolescent males who are beginners to training can add 2lbs of muscle a month - but doesn't sound like your son is either new to training or training for hypertrophy so answer is probably not a lot.

As a parent I would want my children to compete at their natural healthy weight which for males in particular at that age could well be increasing fairly rapidly if he is having a growth spurt, he would be gaining every sort of body tissue not just muscle. Suggest tracking his height, my son shot up in two main growth spurts rather than gradually.

kimny72

Yeah, people spend months and years trying to put on a few lbs of muscle, it's really difficult.

I have no idea what his weight should be (guidelines for minors are different than for adults). I would suggest consulting a juvenile coach or get a referral from his pediatrician to a RD who specializes in sports/athletics maybe.

I think wanting him to move up a weight class so he doesn't have to worry about cutting weight for a match sounds like a good goal. I think trying to give him a 12 day deadline to do it is not.

Chieflrg

I agree with @sijomial that results of actual hypertrophy will be minimal at best.

As a parent and a coach, I don't think it's wise to "make weight" for the sake of a class. Just being strongest possible and practice your sport to hone the skill is a much healthier approach especially for a non adult. I could make an exception if a record or the like was on the line.

Hope he does well in his meets.

Deviette

Go up the weight category, feed him plenty of food. Accept that the next meet will be hard as he's gone up a weight category and that he'll probably not perform as well as he would if he was properly prepared for the meet. I don't know when the meet after will be, but train for that meet, not the next one.

When children age and grow, changing weight categories happens. You cannot really control when they'll shoot up, or even prepare for it, all you have to do is support their move into the next category and accept that if it comes at an inconvenient time, then you may not do so well in the upcoming meets.

Redordeadhead

None?
Days is really not long enough.

Noreenmarie1234

Lol days, if only....

CharlieBeansmomTracey

huango wrote: »

How much muscles can a 14 years old put on in 12 days?

Situation:
Freshman Son is 145-148#.
He's wrestling at 145# weight class.
He barely made weight for yesterday's meet.

I want him to move up to the next weight class 152#.
He has 12 days over Xmas break between his meets.

He's 14.5 years old.
5'5"
145-148#
13.5% body fat
can do 16 pullups
he's strong, not sure how much he can bench/deadlift, but he's been wrestling his buddy who is 175# for over a year.

He had his growth spurt at 11-13 years old (going from 4'7" to 5'5" and from 70# to 155#).
We are praying that he has some more growing to do (height-wise), so I want to make sure he's getting all the necessary nutrients.

Daddy is 5'9"
I'm 4'11".



I'm not happy with him having to worry about making 145.
I rather he eats lots and gain muscles with wriggle room in the 152 class, rather than worrying about having to drop weight.

Anyone have experience with wrestling and weight class choice, or weight training for competition (time is a factor), etc?

Really appreciate any thoughts, even coming as what would a Mother do...

Thank you.

what you want and what his body is capable of doing are 2 different things. eating a lot and gaining muscle? you know that with muscle growth also comes fat when you eat more than your TDEE? depending on how much he eats is going to depend on how much fat he gains which in 2 weeks either way isnt going to be a lot.weight also fluctuates so. you are basically asking for the impossible.

jseams1234

Why are you worried about him gaining weight? If he's barely making the cut at 145 and his weight fluctuates to 148 easily he's primed for the 152 class... as 152 is the MAX weight. It's really the 146-152 class. If he's 148 during the season and having trouble with making weight after doing all the things wrestlers do... (I wrestled all 4 years of high school) then it sounds like he's ready for the next class category. There really isn't a whole lot of wiggle room from 148 - 152. Heck, that's a large bowel movement and a tiny bit of constipation before the match.

huango

jseams1234 wrote: »

Why are you worried about him gaining weight? If he's barely making the cut at 145 and his weight fluctuates to 148 easily he's primed for the 152 class... as 152 is the MAX weight. It's really the 146-152 class. If he's 148 during the season and having trouble with making weight after doing all the things wrestlers do... (I wrestled all 4 years of high school) then it sounds like he's ready for the next class category. There really isn't a whole lot of wiggle room from 148 - 152. Heck, that's a large bowel movement and a tiny bit of constipation before the match.

Thank you.
I sent you a PM.

aokoye

I'm really hoping that you're (the OP that is) typing this a concerned parent who wants their kid to go up in weight class as opposed to trying unrealistically to stay in the kid's prefered class. That's what I think I'm reading, I'm not sure though (given it appears not everyone is reading it that way).

Keto_Vampire

Well, no one has to starve dehydrate him/herself to meet weight cut points given the time of weigh-in; plan things out far ahead of time (there should be no nonsense of following what some of these MMA fighters embark in just to make weight for a competitive edge...many of which are only possible to make via severe dehydration & diuretic use on a frame that is simply too big despite low BF%).

huango

I am sorry if my post was not really clear.

I believe one of my questions that I did not add is:
==>>> should he go up in weight class IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON?

It seems (from what I've read) that most weight class changes are after the season, so you can spend the rest of the year/summer to bulk up and really add some muscles with plenty of time.


==>>> If he were your child, would you have him stick with 145 for the rest of the season, or move up to 152 in January?



Another question:
what is this "Christmas Allowance"? Is this for real, or did I hear wrong?

Rumor mill is that if you make weight BEFORE Christmas break, when you come back in January, your weight class adds 3#.
So if my son makes 145# weight for his last meet before Christmas, he gets to compete the rest of the season at 148#.

Because 148# would be perfect for my son.


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I don't want him to stay at 145 class, if that means he can't be himself, but have to stick with eating just chicken breast and cabbage all season to stay at 145.

I rather he eat more (feeding his muscles and even gaining fat) and be able to eat his daily Advent chocolate piece, or celebrate his buddy's 15th bday with 3-5 slices of pizza and cake.
He's just a Freshman. He should be there really just to learn and gain skills.


So my thought is that with 12days over Christmas break being the longest between meets, he should just eat and work out and sleep and eat/workout/eat,
instead of worrying about staying at 145 and not enjoying his school break.
We'll be in Manhattan, with amazing restaurants and bakeries, etc.

He came into wrestling season from Freshman football where it was eat/workout/sleep (and grow) world.
So I guess I'm not ready for wrestling.

(Didn't think my son was going to be jock.
He's really a nerd. For Christmas, he asked for thick college textbooks on Calculus and Physics, etc, because he said, "I like to read them for fun.")



Currently, not only am I concerned in the quantity of food he eats, but I'm also focusing on getting him enough protein, but yet not too much sodium.
Every 2days before a meet, I make sure that I plan the best lunches and dinners for our family, based on how much weight he needs to trim (whether it's just 0.5# or 1.5#).



Thank you so much for your help.

This Mom is totally a Newbie, with so much to learn
(but can't from a son who is also learning as well, and
he's in that "grunt" phase, where he doesn't communicate; just grunts).

hesn92

I have no advice. Wrestling sounds like a hard sport for a teenager to be in. I feel like a kid that young shouldn't have to be all concerned about his weight like that.

jseams1234

PM @huango