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(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
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(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
I won't call him a "quack," but I will say that self-describing as "one of the nation's foremost practitioners of holistic medicine" doesn't inspire me with a whole lot of confidence. And the whole Newsmax website looks . . . interesting.
https://www.newsmax.com/Health/Dr-Brownstein/article/2010/10/18/id/476512/14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
I won't call him a "quack," but I will say that self-describing as "one of the nation's foremost practitioners of holistic medicine" doesn't inspire me with a whole lot of confidence. And the whole Newsmax website looks . . . interesting.
https://www.newsmax.com/Health/Dr-Brownstein/article/2010/10/18/id/476512/
Ok but if you Google Spenda+DNA a lot of stuff pops up, not just on Newsmax.15 -
Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
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tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
I won't call him a "quack," but I will say that self-describing as "one of the nation's foremost practitioners of holistic medicine" doesn't inspire me with a whole lot of confidence. And the whole Newsmax website looks . . . interesting.
https://www.newsmax.com/Health/Dr-Brownstein/article/2010/10/18/id/476512/
Ok but if you Google Spenda+DNA a lot of stuff pops up, not just on Newsmax.
You can Google just about anything and a lot of stuff will pop up. That is not a good method to evaluate the soundness of a claim. If you have a particular source other than Brownstein and Newsmax that you find compelling, feel free to share that.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
I won't call him a "quack," but I will say that self-describing as "one of the nation's foremost practitioners of holistic medicine" doesn't inspire me with a whole lot of confidence. And the whole Newsmax website looks . . . interesting.
https://www.newsmax.com/Health/Dr-Brownstein/article/2010/10/18/id/476512/
Ok but if you Google Spenda+DNA a lot of stuff pops up, not just on Newsmax.
You can Google just about anything and a lot of stuff will pop up. That is not a good method to evaluate the soundness of a claim. If you have a particular source other than Brownstein and Newsmax that you find compelling, feel free to share that.
Okay let me look into this further.0 -
tbright1965 wrote: »azzeazsaleh5429 wrote: »It has been my experience, after cutting out 3 to 4 bottles of diet pepsi a day, that after a week or so I noticed that I dont crave sweets as much as before.
I noticed that many sound weight management programs have a session/module of "reseting your sweet", which entails minimizing sugar for a few weeks to reset your taste buds so you don't crave the alternating salty/sweet response. This is also common when US citizens travel outside the US. They don't notice until they come back how salty and sweet everything is. Not that this is harmful - sugar and salt are incredibly effective preservatives.
My n=1 anecdote will confirm this.
I lived in Germany for three years courtesy of Uncle Sam and recall this.
I went through it again in 2012 when I took a three week vacation in Italy. Two things struck me while there:
1. Many Europeans loved the North American breakfast cereals in our first hotel's breakfast buffet. While my wife and I were eating the fresh fruits, cheeses and breads, I saw people, obviously not North Americans, enjoying the rare treat. I guess novelty on both sides of the equation.
2. I couldn't eat US pizza for about year after coming home from that trip. The ingredients tasted so much more fresh in Italy compared to what I was accustomed to in the US.
Of course, YMMV.
US pizza varies. I usually get it in various local Italian restaurants, and the ingredients don't taste different from what I recall eating in Italy.1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »The only artificial sweeteners I use are the ones in diet sodas - which I drink a few of per week.
I have nothing against other artificial sweeteners but I drink coffee unsweetened , I put half tsp of sugar on my cereal and don't add any sweetener, sugar or artificial, to anything else.
I did have a problem once with sugar free candies, I suck a few on take off , landings of plane trips, helps my ears not to pop ( don't ask me how but does work)
One day I did 3 plane trips in a day - suffice to say was very glad to get back to my own bathroom at end of the day
But diet sodas do not cause me any issues.
Sugar free candies (gum, suckers, etc.) tend to use sugar alcohols for sweetener. Sugar alcohols are known to cause some intestinal distress in some people (not all).
Diet sodas, on the other hand, typically use aspartame or sucralose.
yes I figured it must be a different sort of artificial sweetener.
My n=1: a couple of sugar free lollies are ok, but more than that cause diahhroea.
Diet free sodas ( and presumably anything else with aspartame) cause no problems.
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tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
I'm hoping this isnt a serious post - but just in case it is - guys on Youtube say all sorts of things.
By no means are all of them accurate.
as a little experiment I just searched for "Proof earth is flat" and got umpteen pages of Youtube clips.
Admitedly some are probably spoofs - but fair few are guys saying in all seriousness that the earth is flat.
Does that make it true???
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paperpudding wrote: »tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
I'm hoping this isnt a serious post - but just in case it is - guys on Youtube say all sorts of things.
By no means are all of them accurate.
as a little experiment I just searched for "Proof earth is flat" and got umpteen pages of Youtube clips.
Admitedly some are probably spoofs - but fair few are guys saying in all seriousness that the earth is flat.
Does that make it true???
Well he was an M.D.10 -
Well he was an M.D.
The appeal to authority (or similar) is one of the logical fallacies.
Correctness does not depend on the degrees or education one has.
It's more likely that a doctor would know than the general public. But being a doctor doesn't mean one is wrong.
After all, how many different diets are there? One can find a doctor to back pretty much any one of them.
"A guy" on YouTube and "A doctor" does not make a claim substantiated.
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paperpudding wrote: »tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
I'm hoping this isnt a serious post - but just in case it is - guys on Youtube say all sorts of things.
By no means are all of them accurate.
as a little experiment I just searched for "Proof earth is flat" and got umpteen pages of Youtube clips.
Admitedly some are probably spoofs - but fair few are guys saying in all seriousness that the earth is flat.
Does that make it true???
It’s not. She’s a troll.0 -
jseams1234 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
I'm hoping this isnt a serious post - but just in case it is - guys on Youtube say all sorts of things.
By no means are all of them accurate.
as a little experiment I just searched for "Proof earth is flat" and got umpteen pages of Youtube clips.
Admitedly some are probably spoofs - but fair few are guys saying in all seriousness that the earth is flat.
Does that make it true???
It’s not. She’s a troll.
Isn't that for the moderators to decide? How many MFP accounts have you had?8 -
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Carlos_421 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »The only artificial sweeteners I use are the ones in diet sodas - which I drink a few of per week.
I have nothing against other artificial sweeteners but I drink coffee unsweetened , I put half tsp of sugar on my cereal and don't add any sweetener, sugar or artificial, to anything else.
I did have a problem once with sugar free candies, I suck a few on take off , landings of plane trips, helps my ears not to pop ( don't ask me how but does work)
One day I did 3 plane trips in a day - suffice to say was very glad to get back to my own bathroom at end of the day
But diet sodas do not cause me any issues.
Sugar free candies (gum, suckers, etc.) tend to use sugar alcohols for sweetener. Sugar alcohols are known to cause some intestinal distress in some people (not all).
Diet sodas, on the other hand, typically use aspartame or sucralose.
Sugar alcohols are typically heat stable and aspartame is not which is likely why sugar alcohols are used in candies. Not sure why sucralose isn't as its heat stable too. Or maybe it is I dont know.3 -
SomeThingsUntold wrote: »tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
Your post count tells me you've been around for a while. What makes you think "a guy on youtube said so" is going to be convincing anyone?
I don't know how to drag a link over using my phone. So I'll give you the title of the You Tube video. It's: Slim Fast Review 2018. Does It Really Work?0 -
SomeThingsUntold wrote: »tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
Your post count tells me you've been around for a while. What makes you think "a guy on youtube said so" is going to be convincing anyone?
Most of her posts are in Chit Chat. I'll leave it at that.2 -
SomeThingsUntold wrote: »tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
Your post count tells me you've been around for a while. What makes you think "a guy on youtube said so" is going to be convincing anyone?
Most of her posts are in Chit Chat. I'll leave it at that.
Uh oh. You're lurking in Chit Chat. Come on now, just admit it...1 -
SomeThingsUntold wrote: »tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
Your post count tells me you've been around for a while. What makes you think "a guy on youtube said so" is going to be convincing anyone?
Most of her posts are in Chit Chat. I'll leave it at that.
Uh oh. You're lurking in Chit Chat. Come on now, just admit it...
No, just looked up your posting history. Not really interested in wasting my time debating someone who seems to be posting just to see how many "witty" comments they can get out there.2 -
SomeThingsUntold wrote: »tbright1965 wrote: »Maybe you need a source better than Newsmax...(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
A guy on YouTube said it too.
Your post count tells me you've been around for a while. What makes you think "a guy on youtube said so" is going to be convincing anyone?
Most of her posts are in Chit Chat. I'll leave it at that.
Uh oh. You're lurking in Chit Chat. Come on now, just admit it...
No, just looked up your posting history. Not really interested in wasting my time debating someone who seems to be posting just to see how many "witty" comments they can get out there.
Ok point taken. Won't be posting in debate ever again.8 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »rhtexasgal wrote: »I discovered long ago that most artificial sweeteners just do not agree with me (I wouldn't want to be in an elevator trapped with me - LOL)! In my weight loss and maintenance journey, I just make allowances for sugars. I mostly use monk fruit but also coconut sugar in hot coffee and teas. I also use SugaVida (palmyra jaggery) which has a lot of vitamins and minerals as well in my coffee as it has a lovely back flavor of burnt sugar and caramel ... yum! As for sodas, I quit them all several years ago.
Artificial sweeteners affect everyone differently but I don't believe they are necessarily cancer causing. Make the choice that best suits your health and lifestyle. I think they taste like crap while others love it ... I could never get accustomed to the taste and it made my gut percolate so I abstained - no harm, no foul to anyone else!
I don't necessarily doubt you had affects however I'll admit I am very skeptical when people just lump all artificial sweeteners together in one bucket as if they are all the same....they most definately are not. It would be very weird for any artificial sweetner to cause you symptoms given that the different artificial sweeteners out there are all very different from each other with their only unifying characteristic being sweetness. I find it hard to believe that sweetness itself would cause gastrointestinal distress especially if other sweet things like sugars do not.
I grew up with my parents sweetening the kool-aid with aspartame and me always having gas and bloating (I drank it every day). Then, for a two week period they had no money to purchase aspartame so I drank milk and water with no koolaid. Nothing else different in my routine ... gas and bloating were gone. Next, they were on an Equal kick ... rinse and repeat the situation ... my mom won a case of diet soft drinks once and after a few of them, same thing - gas and bloating. In college, I stopped all the sweeteners and drank straight up sugar sweet tea, regular sodas, etc. and did not have gas or bloating. I bought some gum before class once to try and stay awake after an all nighter and everyone could hear my gut rumbling and I was burping and in pain from gas. Sure enough, I later found out that the gum was sugarless with sorbitol. Every time I have sugarless gum, I experience the same thing. So far, I have not had successful consumption of artificial sweeteners without side effects.
About 10 year ago, I had my first bout of ulcerative colitis and while in remission now, I would not be for long if I consumed the artificial sweeteners as their effects are magnified with that condition. That is only anecdotal in terms of MY experiences ... overall, I have tried many sweeteners and I guess I am just sensitive to most of them.0 -
Okay but what about Splenda. They say it does something nefarious to DNA and who wants that?
This is amusing. I'm not going to cause anyone to become pregnant ever again so I don't think it much matters to me. It's still amusing. I'm sure I could find a web site explaining every way that splenda something nefarious to DNA, but I won't believe it.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
I won't call him a "quack," but I will say that self-describing as "one of the nation's foremost practitioners of holistic medicine" doesn't inspire me with a whole lot of confidence. And the whole Newsmax website looks . . . interesting.
https://www.newsmax.com/Health/Dr-Brownstein/article/2010/10/18/id/476512/
He also claims that vaccines cause autism. So I would definitely call him a quack5 -
rhtexasgal wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »rhtexasgal wrote: »I discovered long ago that most artificial sweeteners just do not agree with me (I wouldn't want to be in an elevator trapped with me - LOL)! In my weight loss and maintenance journey, I just make allowances for sugars. I mostly use monk fruit but also coconut sugar in hot coffee and teas. I also use SugaVida (palmyra jaggery) which has a lot of vitamins and minerals as well in my coffee as it has a lovely back flavor of burnt sugar and caramel ... yum! As for sodas, I quit them all several years ago.
Artificial sweeteners affect everyone differently but I don't believe they are necessarily cancer causing. Make the choice that best suits your health and lifestyle. I think they taste like crap while others love it ... I could never get accustomed to the taste and it made my gut percolate so I abstained - no harm, no foul to anyone else!
I don't necessarily doubt you had affects however I'll admit I am very skeptical when people just lump all artificial sweeteners together in one bucket as if they are all the same....they most definately are not. It would be very weird for any artificial sweetner to cause you symptoms given that the different artificial sweeteners out there are all very different from each other with their only unifying characteristic being sweetness. I find it hard to believe that sweetness itself would cause gastrointestinal distress especially if other sweet things like sugars do not.
I grew up with my parents sweetening the kool-aid with aspartame and me always having gas and bloating (I drank it every day). Then, for a two week period they had no money to purchase aspartame so I drank milk and water with no koolaid. Nothing else different in my routine ... gas and bloating were gone. Next, they were on an Equal kick ... rinse and repeat the situation ... my mom won a case of diet soft drinks once and after a few of them, same thing - gas and bloating. In college, I stopped all the sweeteners and drank straight up sugar sweet tea, regular sodas, etc. and did not have gas or bloating. I bought some gum before class once to try and stay awake after an all nighter and everyone could hear my gut rumbling and I was burping and in pain from gas. Sure enough, I later found out that the gum was sugarless with sorbitol. Every time I have sugarless gum, I experience the same thing. So far, I have not had successful consumption of artificial sweeteners without side effects.
About 10 year ago, I had my first bout of ulcerative colitis and while in remission now, I would not be for long if I consumed the artificial sweeteners as their effects are magnified with that condition. That is only anecdotal in terms of MY experiences ... overall, I have tried many sweeteners and I guess I am just sensitive to most of them.
Well I'm not going to claim that your experience isn't your experience....just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me is all. There are certainly types of food that can cause gastrointestinal distress in some people but they are things like dairy where the quantities are fairly large...gram amounts at least. One thing artificial sweeteners do have in common is that they are hundreds of times sweeter than sugar and as a result are found in foods and drinks in tiny quantities, small miligram amounts. Now things in milligram amounts certainly can have affects on the body, just look at drugs...but they tend to be very specifically targeted inhibiting or activating specific things based on their structures not just causing some gross mechanical or physical effect (like convesion to a gas causing bloating). Not only that but as I mentioned they are very chemically distinct from one another, sorbitol, aspartame and sucralose have practically nothing in common with eachother chemically....one is a sugar alcohol, one is a methylated dipeptide and the other is a chloronated disaccharide....so even if in some people they did have some specific targeted effect it is hard to believe they would all share that same effect.
Hopefully not insulting you and like I said not claiming your anecdote isn't your experience, just explaining why I don't find the assumption of causation for the correlation you experienced to be particularly likely.10 -
johnslater461 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »(From Newsmax.com)
Artificial Sweetener Alters DNA
By Dr. Brownstein
Tuesday, 06 September 2016 04:45 PM Current | Bio | Archive
Sucralose is an artificial sweetener found in thousands of consumer foods and beverages. It is noncaloric and is 300 to 1,000 times as sweet as table sugar.
The chemical structure of sucralose is very similar to table sugar, but it contains three chlorine atoms, which table sugar does not.
The FDA claims that sucralose is safe for human consumption. But if you study the clinical literature behind sucralose, I don’t know how any person could come to that conclusion.
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
This caused increases in body weight. However, these results were found only when rats ingested very large amounts of sucralose.
There are many side effects associated with sucralose, including:
• Allergic reactions
• Blurred vision
• Dizziness
• Elevated blood sugar and insulin
• Gastrointestinal problems
• Migraines
• Seizures
• Weight gain
Sucralose was also found to alter the normal DNA in mice, a process that can cause cancer.
And if that isn’t bad enough, when it is heated sucralose can turn into toxic chloropropanols and other dioxin-like compounds.
Clearly, sucralose should be avoided. It has no therapeutic value and it is associated with a host of adverse effects, particularly when heated.
(I know, I know. You guys are going to make fun of the mice and call the Dr. a quack because he's not a mainstream. But this seems a little scary.)
I won't call him a "quack," but I will say that self-describing as "one of the nation's foremost practitioners of holistic medicine" doesn't inspire me with a whole lot of confidence. And the whole Newsmax website looks . . . interesting.
https://www.newsmax.com/Health/Dr-Brownstein/article/2010/10/18/id/476512/
He also claims that vaccines cause autism. So I would definitely call him a quack
Yeah, the only reason I refrained was because I didn't look into his other views. I strongly suspected that if I kept researching I would have come to the same conclusion.0 -
Animal studies found that large doses of sucralose disrupted intestinal flora by decreasing the amount of bacteria by 50 percent and increasing the pH level in the colon.
What constitutes a "Large Dose" ? Back in the day they did a study on Tab cola, saying Tab caused cancer. After a deeper review the amounts you would have to consume to be a health danger was so far outside the norm that it was never a real danger.4
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