Celery Juice
Tesha231
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Anyone else follow the Medical Medium? He's not a doctor but shares interesting theories and has received impressive testimonials. His biggest suggestion is to drink 16-24 oz of celery juice every morning on an empty stomach. Supposed to help balance your alkaline, which benefits many things including migraines, skin conditions, liver function, mental clarity... I've been doing it for a couple weeks. I feel like it helps remove brain fog, too early to tell on some other issues-mostly because of my considerable non-nutritional-cheats over the holiday.
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Is that the guy from the Goop site that claims to diagnose diseases by consulting the "spirit world"? Why would you think such a person has any legitimate advice to give?25
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And celery juice has no magic health properties. Drink it if you find it tasty, but you're not getting much benefit from it.11
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That does not sound like a pleasant drink. I'm going to guess it probably helps because of the water, as most people are dehydrated in the morning and many don't drink immediately, leading to sluggishness. The conditions improved seem to be benefits of staying hydrated as well. Alkaline is the state of having a PH above 7. Humans are naturally around a 7.4, and because humans are warm-blooded creatures, homeostasis is very important, so balancing your "alkaline" doesn't really work, as you would be seriously sick or dead if your PH was not already balanced.20
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I love celery juice simply for the taste. However, I only juice it if it's going to go to waste otherwise or I have too much of it. Crunching on celery for a snack is better.
But, this: "His biggest suggestion is to drink 16-24 oz of celery juice every morning on an empty stomach." How much celery does it take to get that much juice? Seems like a lot. Granted, celery isn't that expensive but this seems like a lot of work. Cleaning a juicer every day is no fun. And drinking it on an empty stomach does nothing magical.10 -
Anyone else follow the Medical Medium? He's not a doctor but shares interesting theories and has received impressive testimonials. His biggest suggestion is to drink 16-24 oz of celery juice every morning on an empty stomach. Supposed to help balance your alkaline, which benefits many things including migraines, skin conditions, liver function, mental clarity... I've been doing it for a couple weeks. I feel like it helps remove brain fog, too early to tell on some other issues-mostly because of my considerable non-nutritional-cheats over the holiday.
Re: the bolded - if your liver is not functioning correctly you need a doctor. Celery juice is not going help/cure anything.
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RelCanonical wrote: »That does not sound like a pleasant drink. I'm going to guess it probably helps because of the water, as most people are dehydrated in the morning and many don't drink immediately, leading to sluggishness. The conditions improved seem to be benefits of staying hydrated as well. Alkaline is the state of having a PH above 7. Humans are naturally around a 7.4, and because humans are warm-blooded creatures, homeostasis is very important, so balancing your "alkaline" doesn't really work, as you would be seriously sick or dead if your PH was not already balanced.
Ya, I feel hungry in the AM, but it goes away for a few hours when I start drinking tea, showing that my hunger and thirst cues were crossed.6 -
Balance your alkaline? There is a pretty narrow healthy range and your body is pretty good at regulating that.11
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I love celery juice simply for the taste. However, I only juice it if it's going to go to waste otherwise or I have too much of it. Crunching on celery for a snack is better.
But, this: "His biggest suggestion is to drink 16-24 oz of celery juice every morning on an empty stomach." How much celery does it take to get that much juice? Seems like a lot. Granted, celery isn't that expensive but this seems like a lot of work. Cleaning a juicer every day is no fun. And drinking it on an empty stomach does nothing magical.
He says one bunch of celery: http://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/celery-juice-1011 -
CarvedTones wrote: »Balance your alkaline? There is a pretty narrow healthy range and your body is pretty good at regulating that.
And it's a darned fine thing, too, since if we actually *could* mess with it, that would kill us.
OP: Please reconsider. Not that the celery juice is harmful, necessarily, but just that his claims are a whole pile of woo-nonsense.14 -
Interesting responses here.
Never heard of Goop or the "Spiritual World" healer, hmmm.
I also probably didn't describe the claims accurately as it relates to liver function--I'm not a dr. either! I think what he means in relation to the liver was more about helping to eliminate toxins so your liver can eliminate "the bad stuff" more efficiently. May want to google to get a more accurate idea of his thoughts. (He is also an author but I have not purchased his books nor am I recommending or rejecting drinking celery juice or buying the books --just so we are clear.) Simply asked a question to see if anyone on MFP has experienced any benefits, results or failures with celery juice use as the Medical Medium prescribes (not to be confused with a prescription).
I do like the taste--very refreshing, but may not be for everyone. I find it takes around a medium-sized stalk to get that much juice. Cheaper than Starbucks...but yes, cleaning that juicer daily is not fun!22 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I love celery juice simply for the taste. However, I only juice it if it's going to go to waste otherwise or I have too much of it. Crunching on celery for a snack is better.
But, this: "His biggest suggestion is to drink 16-24 oz of celery juice every morning on an empty stomach." How much celery does it take to get that much juice? Seems like a lot. Granted, celery isn't that expensive but this seems like a lot of work. Cleaning a juicer every day is no fun. And drinking it on an empty stomach does nothing magical.
He says one bunch of celery: http://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/celery-juice-101
Thank you. I didn't Google him prior to my post. One bunch of celery lasts me about 2 weeks so even though it's cheap I still wouldn't want to buy one bunch per day.1 -
Interesting responses here. Never heard of Goop or the "Spiritual World" healer, hmmm.
I also probably didn't describe the claims accurately as it relates to liver function--I'm not a dr. either! I think what he means in relation to the liver was more about helping to eliminate toxins so your liver can eliminate "the bad stuff" more efficiently. May want to google to get a more accurate idea of his thoughts. (He is also an author but I have not purchased his books nor am I recommending or rejecting drinking celery juice or buying the books --just so we are clear.) Simply asked a question to see if anyone on MFP has experienced any benefits, results or failures with celery juice use as the Medical Medium prescribes (not to be confused with a prescription).
I do like the taste--very refreshing, but may not be for everyone. I find it takes around a medium-sized stalk to get that much juice. Cheaper than Starbucks...but yes, cleaning that juicer daily is not fun!
What 'toxins' does this help eliminate that your liver can't on its own? And if whatever is in your body is so toxic that your liver is overwhelmed, you need an emergency room, stat, and not a glass of celery juice.
My biggest gripe with this kind of quackery is that the potential for harm - limited only by death - is too great to be ignored. Many people will forego traditional medicine in favour of stuff like this, only to find that when a diagnosis is finally made by a medical doctor, it's simply too late to help.
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If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.8 -
Your body is at a perfect acid/alkaline balance for survival. You'd be dead if it wasn't. Add this to the woo bingo card.5
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Snickerscharlie--thanks for the links. I know what Goop is now. lol I also appreciate the articles as clearly I had not researched beyond the Facebook and Instagram feeds.
Appreciate everyone's feedback.11 -
Snickerscharlie--thanks for the links. I know what Goop is now. lol I also appreciate the articles as clearly I had not researched beyond the Facebook and Instagram feeds.
Appreciate everyone's feedback.
Yeah, Goop. Some pretty special stuff there!
Edited to add: One of my Goop Favs!
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/09/05/goop-vagina-eggs-settlement_a_23517834/
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I use Goop to repair shoes. Good stuff.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »
Better than where it's apparently meant to go!3 -
Worst job in the world? Processing the returns on those jade eggs... 9
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Worst job in the world? Processing the returns on those jade eggs...
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nutmegoreo wrote: »If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.
I don't know whether there's any harm or not, but considering that a full bunch of celery daily seems well out of the norm of what is typically consumed by human beings, and considering that the concentration of sodium nitrate in celery is high enough that they use it to replace "added" sodium nitrate in "uncured" "nitrate-free" bacon, and considering that the IARC has classified nitrates and nitrites (also found in high levels in celery) as probably carcinogenic to humans (and of course there can be toxic effects at sufficiently high doses), I think it would be advisable to research nitrate (and nitrite) levels in that amount of celery and compare it to the WHO's acceptable daily intake or similar measures before conducting what amounts to a Phase I drug test (for determining safe dosage limits) on yourself.
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CarvedTones wrote: »I use Goop to repair shoes. Good stuff.
Plus, if you accidentally get some on the uppers, the shoes' dewy radiance and wrinkle-free complexion will be restored.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.
I don't know whether there's any harm or not, but considering that a full bunch of celery daily seems well out of the norm of what is typically consumed by human beings, and considering that the concentration of sodium nitrate in celery is high enough that they use it to replace "added" sodium nitrate in "uncured" "nitrate-free" bacon, and considering that the IARC has classified nitrates and nitrites (also found in high levels in celery) as probably carcinogenic to humans (and of course there can be toxic effects at sufficiently high doses), I think it would be advisable to research nitrate (and nitrite) levels in that amount of celery and compare it to the WHO's acceptable daily intake or similar measures before conducting what amounts to a Phase I drug test (for determining safe dosage limits) on yourself.
See however, Lieberman and Kwon, "FACTS VERSUS FEARS: A REVIEW OF THE GREATEST UNFOUNDED HEALTH SCARES OF RECENT TIMES", published by The AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH (September 2004), p. 17. (https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Facts-Versus-Fears-Unfounded-Health-Scares 4th edition.pdf)
'The American Cancer Society states, “Nitrites in foods
are not a significant cause of cancer among
Americans.” The Council for Agricultural Science
and Technology agreed, in their recent review of the
issue, that “the scientific evidence does not support
restrictions in the consumption of salted, smoked, or
nitrite-preserved foods by the U.S. population."'6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.
I don't know whether there's any harm or not, but considering that a full bunch of celery daily seems well out of the norm of what is typically consumed by human beings, and considering that the concentration of sodium nitrate in celery is high enough that they use it to replace "added" sodium nitrate in "uncured" "nitrate-free" bacon, and considering that the IARC has classified nitrates and nitrites (also found in high levels in celery) as probably carcinogenic to humans (and of course there can be toxic effects at sufficiently high doses), I think it would be advisable to research nitrate (and nitrite) levels in that amount of celery and compare it to the WHO's acceptable daily intake or similar measures before conducting what amounts to a Phase I drug test (for determining safe dosage limits) on yourself.
See however, Lieberman and Kwon, "FACTS VERSUS FEARS: A REVIEW OF THE GREATEST UNFOUNDED HEALTH SCARES OF RECENT TIMES", published by The AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH (September 2004), p. 17. (https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Facts-Versus-Fears-Unfounded-Health-Scares 4th edition.pdf)
'The American Cancer Society states, “Nitrites in foods
are not a significant cause of cancer among
Americans.” The Council for Agricultural Science
and Technology agreed, in their recent review of the
issue, that “the scientific evidence does not support
restrictions in the consumption of salted, smoked, or
nitrite-preserved foods by the U.S. population."'
Pshaw! Obviously the ACS is in the pocket of Big Sausage! 8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.
I don't know whether there's any harm or not, but considering that a full bunch of celery daily seems well out of the norm of what is typically consumed by human beings, and considering that the concentration of sodium nitrate in celery is high enough that they use it to replace "added" sodium nitrate in "uncured" "nitrate-free" bacon, and considering that the IARC has classified nitrates and nitrites (also found in high levels in celery) as probably carcinogenic to humans (and of course there can be toxic effects at sufficiently high doses), I think it would be advisable to research nitrate (and nitrite) levels in that amount of celery and compare it to the WHO's acceptable daily intake or similar measures before conducting what amounts to a Phase I drug test (for determining safe dosage limits) on yourself.
See however, Lieberman and Kwon, "FACTS VERSUS FEARS: A REVIEW OF THE GREATEST UNFOUNDED HEALTH SCARES OF RECENT TIMES", published by The AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH (September 2004), p. 17. (https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Facts-Versus-Fears-Unfounded-Health-Scares 4th edition.pdf)
'The American Cancer Society states, “Nitrites in foods
are not a significant cause of cancer among
Americans.” The Council for Agricultural Science
and Technology agreed, in their recent review of the
issue, that “the scientific evidence does not support
restrictions in the consumption of salted, smoked, or
nitrite-preserved foods by the U.S. population."'
Pshaw! Obviously the ACS is in the pocket of Big Sausage!
or since it's celery, it could be the produce lobby, you know "Big Farma"10 -
Interesting responses here. Never heard of Goop or the "Spiritual World" healer, hmmm.
I also probably didn't describe the claims accurately as it relates to liver function--I'm not a dr. either! I think what he means in relation to the liver was more about helping to eliminate toxins so your liver can eliminate "the bad stuff" more efficiently. May want to google to get a more accurate idea of his thoughts. (He is also an author but I have not purchased his books nor am I recommending or rejecting drinking celery juice or buying the books --just so we are clear.) Simply asked a question to see if anyone on MFP has experienced any benefits, results or failures with celery juice use as the Medical Medium prescribes (not to be confused with a prescription).
I do like the taste--very refreshing, but may not be for everyone. I find it takes around a medium-sized stalk to get that much juice. Cheaper than Starbucks...but yes, cleaning that juicer daily is not fun!
"Cleanses" are woo (false information). Our bodies detox themselves, unless you have a TRUE medical condition and need regular dialysis.5 -
Isn't celery something like 95-96% water? Sounds like a terrible cleaning mess to get out water. 3
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »If you like the taste and don't mind the clean up, then I doubt there's any harm.
He has many people speaking against him as well as the positive testimonials. Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from him because he claims to get his expertise from "beyond" and has no actual training. I have skimmed through some of the write ups debunking his extraordinary and unsubstantiated claims, and really don't find him to be a trustworthy source. Others have already talked about the alkalinity concept, and some have mentioned the liver's function is to filter the blood and that if your liver is overloaded, you need a doctor.
I'm glad you haven't wasted any money on his books. Apparently, if you're lucky enough to get a phone consultation with him, it only costs $500/30 minutes for vague responses that are primarily around changing foods and taking supplements.
I don't know whether there's any harm or not, but considering that a full bunch of celery daily seems well out of the norm of what is typically consumed by human beings, and considering that the concentration of sodium nitrate in celery is high enough that they use it to replace "added" sodium nitrate in "uncured" "nitrate-free" bacon, and considering that the IARC has classified nitrates and nitrites (also found in high levels in celery) as probably carcinogenic to humans (and of course there can be toxic effects at sufficiently high doses), I think it would be advisable to research nitrate (and nitrite) levels in that amount of celery and compare it to the WHO's acceptable daily intake or similar measures before conducting what amounts to a Phase I drug test (for determining safe dosage limits) on yourself.
See however, Lieberman and Kwon, "FACTS VERSUS FEARS: A REVIEW OF THE GREATEST UNFOUNDED HEALTH SCARES OF RECENT TIMES", published by The AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH (September 2004), p. 17. (https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Facts-Versus-Fears-Unfounded-Health-Scares 4th edition.pdf)
'The American Cancer Society states, “Nitrites in foods
are not a significant cause of cancer among
Americans.” The Council for Agricultural Science
and Technology agreed, in their recent review of the
issue, that “the scientific evidence does not support
restrictions in the consumption of salted, smoked, or
nitrite-preserved foods by the U.S. population."'
Consuming an entire bunch of celery, the food with seemingly t1he highest level of nitrates among commonly eaten foods, every single day, is also not a significant practice among Americans. Given that both cancer and toxicity risks go up with dosage, I don't understand why you would be so quick to undermine a suggestion for the OP to do a little research about what dosage they would be exposing themselves to, and how that compares to the ADI.5
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