Crossfit and gym for burning fat?

jodienovell
jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
edited December 2024 in Fitness and Exercise
My plan is to do gym 2x week, both are full body workouts that incorporate compound movements as follows

Warmup

Front squat 12x3
Shoulder press 11x3
Deadlift 12x3
Bench press 10x3
Dumbbell lunge 12x3
Smith squat 12x3
Pull ups to failure with bands
Abs 20x3 (w/those dangly things idk what they're called)

Stretching

Then I would do crossfit 3 times a week. Am not going to quit it since well, I've paid for a months membership. And I like it, its quite fun. Our coaches really press us for good technique and rather low weights with proper form than super heavy and fast with awful form.
The diet plan is to eat a bit of surplus on gym days for muscle gain (I think my maintenance is like.. 1800-2000 depending which calculator you use) so I add ~100 kcal worth of exercise and then add 100 extra, so I eat 2200. On other days of the week the idea is to eat anything below 1000 calories. Does this sound reasonable for fat loss?
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  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    Fat loss comes down to having a calorie deficit, not what exercise you are doing or not doing. You can do no exercise whatsoever (wouldn't recommend) and lose fat...you just have to consume fewer calories than you expend.
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    edited January 2019
    jodienovell wrote: »
    <<snip>>
    The diet plan is to eat a bit of surplus on gym days for muscle gain (I think my maintenance is like.. 1800-2000 depending which calculator you use) so I add ~100 kcal worth of exercise and then add 100 extra, so I eat 2200. On other days of the week the idea is to eat anything below 1000 calories. Does this sound reasonable for fat loss?

    WTF? :noway: I hope that's a typo.
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?
  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Just checking. No judgment. It would just change the answers given.

    All you need in order to lose weight is a calorie deficit. One that keeps you healthy and happy, not crashing, starving or binging. The chart I posted on your other thread shows you can eat 1850 calories per day and lose weight.

    I can lose weight on 2000 calories a day. We've been programmed to think 1200 calories is the magic number and that is a bunch of crap.
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    Doing the conversion, you are 5'8", 140 pounds?

    You don't have any weight to lose! What is your goal?
  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Doing the conversion, you are 5'8", 140 pounds?

    You don't have any weight to lose! What is your goal?

    Lose fat, mostly. I dont care so much if I weigh 100 or 200 pounds if I can get my fat percentage down. I reconsodered my choices and fogure 1200 calories to be a better alternative than 600.
  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Not getting a diagnosis does not mean you don't have a problem. What you are proposing is dangerous.

    To put this in terms you might understand - that large of deficit on non-gym days WILL without a doubt cause your performance in the gym to suffer regardless of how much eat the 2 gym days a week. Eating in a small surplus 2 days a week will not magically lead to muscle gain when you are in such a large deficit the other days. Our bodies work on long-term trends. Your body isn't going to say "Oh a 100 calorie surplus, build muscles today! And tomorrow back to fat loss!" Your overall trend for the week/month(s) will be a huge deficit leading to loss of fat AND muscle as well as other health problems, which is why your gym performance will suffer regardless of how eat on the gym days. Please seriously reconsider doing a moderate calorie deficit or even eating within maintenance and doing recomp.

    This is what I mean. My TDEE according to this is line 1600 calories, so doing 1500 daily will pretty much lead to nothing
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Doing the conversion, you are 5'8", 140 pounds?

    You don't have any weight to lose! What is your goal?

    Lose fat, mostly. I dont care so much if I weigh 100 or 200 pounds if I can get my fat percentage down. I reconsodered my choices and fogure 1200 calories to be a better alternative than 600.

    1200 is still under your BMR. Don't eat under your BMR.

    You're tall. You have to eat more than a 5'0" female of your age.

    I'm 5'9". I know this.

  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    edited January 2019
    jodienovell wrote: »
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Not getting a diagnosis does not mean you don't have a problem. What you are proposing is dangerous.

    To put this in terms you might understand - that large of deficit on non-gym days WILL without a doubt cause your performance in the gym to suffer regardless of how much eat the 2 gym days a week. Eating in a small surplus 2 days a week will not magically lead to muscle gain when you are in such a large deficit the other days. Our bodies work on long-term trends. Your body isn't going to say "Oh a 100 calorie surplus, build muscles today! And tomorrow back to fat loss!" Your overall trend for the week/month(s) will be a huge deficit leading to loss of fat AND muscle as well as other health problems, which is why your gym performance will suffer regardless of how eat on the gym days. Please seriously reconsider doing a moderate calorie deficit or even eating within maintenance and doing recomp.

    This is what I mean. My TDEE according to this is line 1600 calories, so doing 1500 daily will pretty much lead to nothing

    You said you exercise 5 days a week... You have to take that into account. That would at least put you into the moderately active on that site.
  • puffbrat
    puffbrat Posts: 2,806 Member
    jodienovell wrote: »
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Not getting a diagnosis does not mean you don't have a problem. What you are proposing is dangerous.

    To put this in terms you might understand - that large of deficit on non-gym days WILL without a doubt cause your performance in the gym to suffer regardless of how much eat the 2 gym days a week. Eating in a small surplus 2 days a week will not magically lead to muscle gain when you are in such a large deficit the other days. Our bodies work on long-term trends. Your body isn't going to say "Oh a 100 calorie surplus, build muscles today! And tomorrow back to fat loss!" Your overall trend for the week/month(s) will be a huge deficit leading to loss of fat AND muscle as well as other health problems, which is why your gym performance will suffer regardless of how eat on the gym days. Please seriously reconsider doing a moderate calorie deficit or even eating within maintenance and doing recomp.

    This is what I mean. My TDEE according to this is line 1600 calories, so doing 1500 daily will pretty much lead to nothing

    How many calories does MFP tell you to eat when you enter your stats and select lose 0.5lb/week? Remember MFP is designed for you to eat back your exercise calories AND STILL LOSE WEIGHT.
  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Not getting a diagnosis does not mean you don't have a problem. What you are proposing is dangerous.

    To put this in terms you might understand - that large of deficit on non-gym days WILL without a doubt cause your performance in the gym to suffer regardless of how much eat the 2 gym days a week. Eating in a small surplus 2 days a week will not magically lead to muscle gain when you are in such a large deficit the other days. Our bodies work on long-term trends. Your body isn't going to say "Oh a 100 calorie surplus, build muscles today! And tomorrow back to fat loss!" Your overall trend for the week/month(s) will be a huge deficit leading to loss of fat AND muscle as well as other health problems, which is why your gym performance will suffer regardless of how eat on the gym days. Please seriously reconsider doing a moderate calorie deficit or even eating within maintenance and doing recomp.

    This is what I mean. My TDEE according to this is line 1600 calories, so doing 1500 daily will pretty much lead to nothing

    You said you exercise 5 days a week... You have to take that into account. That would at least put you into the moderately active on that site.

    I mean.. I might not exercise hard enough so i dont want to risk it
  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Not getting a diagnosis does not mean you don't have a problem. What you are proposing is dangerous.

    To put this in terms you might understand - that large of deficit on non-gym days WILL without a doubt cause your performance in the gym to suffer regardless of how much eat the 2 gym days a week. Eating in a small surplus 2 days a week will not magically lead to muscle gain when you are in such a large deficit the other days. Our bodies work on long-term trends. Your body isn't going to say "Oh a 100 calorie surplus, build muscles today! And tomorrow back to fat loss!" Your overall trend for the week/month(s) will be a huge deficit leading to loss of fat AND muscle as well as other health problems, which is why your gym performance will suffer regardless of how eat on the gym days. Please seriously reconsider doing a moderate calorie deficit or even eating within maintenance and doing recomp.

    This is what I mean. My TDEE according to this is line 1600 calories, so doing 1500 daily will pretty much lead to nothing

    How many calories does MFP tell you to eat when you enter your stats and select lose 0.5lb/week? Remember MFP is designed for you to eat back your exercise calories AND STILL LOSE WEIGHT.

    I cant remember since I actually dont use mfp but mynetdiary, but as I recall the numbers were pretty mucj the same, so around 1500
  • Duck_Puddle
    Duck_Puddle Posts: 3,237 Member
    edited January 2019
    jodienovell wrote: »
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Not getting a diagnosis does not mean you don't have a problem. What you are proposing is dangerous.

    To put this in terms you might understand - that large of deficit on non-gym days WILL without a doubt cause your performance in the gym to suffer regardless of how much eat the 2 gym days a week. Eating in a small surplus 2 days a week will not magically lead to muscle gain when you are in such a large deficit the other days. Our bodies work on long-term trends. Your body isn't going to say "Oh a 100 calorie surplus, build muscles today! And tomorrow back to fat loss!" Your overall trend for the week/month(s) will be a huge deficit leading to loss of fat AND muscle as well as other health problems, which is why your gym performance will suffer regardless of how eat on the gym days. Please seriously reconsider doing a moderate calorie deficit or even eating within maintenance and doing recomp.

    This is what I mean. My TDEE according to this is line 1600 calories, so doing 1500 daily will pretty much lead to nothing

    You might want to double check your entries. I’m 4” shorter than you, I’m guessing quite a bit older, and work a desk job in my tiny little house (meaning I am sedentary aside from exercise) and NOT including exercise, I burn 1600 a day.

    As a younger, taller, lightly active person - plus exercise - your TDEE should be much higher.


  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Not getting a diagnosis does not mean you don't have a problem. What you are proposing is dangerous.

    To put this in terms you might understand - that large of deficit on non-gym days WILL without a doubt cause your performance in the gym to suffer regardless of how much eat the 2 gym days a week. Eating in a small surplus 2 days a week will not magically lead to muscle gain when you are in such a large deficit the other days. Our bodies work on long-term trends. Your body isn't going to say "Oh a 100 calorie surplus, build muscles today! And tomorrow back to fat loss!" Your overall trend for the week/month(s) will be a huge deficit leading to loss of fat AND muscle as well as other health problems, which is why your gym performance will suffer regardless of how eat on the gym days. Please seriously reconsider doing a moderate calorie deficit or even eating within maintenance and doing recomp.

    This is what I mean. My TDEE according to this is line 1600 calories, so doing 1500 daily will pretty much lead to nothing

    You said you exercise 5 days a week... You have to take that into account. That would at least put you into the moderately active on that site.

    I mean.. I might not exercise hard enough so i dont want to risk it

    With the kindest possible intention, you have some disordered thinking about diet and exercise. You need more assistance than random people on the internet can give.

    i know
  • Phirrgus
    Phirrgus Posts: 1,894 Member
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Doing the conversion, you are 5'8", 140 pounds?

    You don't have any weight to lose! What is your goal?

    Lose fat, mostly. I dont care so much if I weigh 100 or 200 pounds if I can get my fat percentage down. I reconsodered my choices and fogure 1200 calories to be a better alternative than 600.

    hey jodie - I get the impression you equate calories and food with fat and "bad" so to speak. That's only true in the remotest sense, as in, if you eat too much, or eat too little.

    Your body has to have a certain amount of calories to operate properly and stay healthy. "Burning fat" (I'm not fond of that term) and building muscle, having that nice healthy glow etc - that's not going to happen if you don't properly fuel your body.

    Listen to the folks here please.
  • Redordeadhead
    Redordeadhead Posts: 1,188 Member
    That's not how it works. You can't eat a surplus on 1 or 2 days and gain muscle, and then eat at a massive deficit on other days and lose fat. It's not a day-to-day process, our bodies simply don't work like that.
  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    Look, I hear all the thungs you're saying. But I just. I don't think I can do 1500 calories. I feel like 1200 is the highest I should go, otherwise the weightloss will be minimal.. I refuse to believe my TDEE is over 1700 and I refuse to believe I'm exercising hard enough that it really counts for more than maybe 500-600 calories per week. If I don't feel sore, super tired or generally exhausted after a workout, I didn't go hard enough. And that's the case 90% of the time, and I'm working on it. I just need to do it consistently so I don't end up losing only muscle. I know you can't gain muscle on a deficit but I can try to maintain it as best as I can. I'm really scared of ending up very skinnyfat. My fat percentage is already really high (shown in the body scan, it really is higher than average) and I look way way way too big for my weight. So I just need to stick with this
  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    JBanx256 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    Look, I hear all the thungs you're saying. But I just. I don't think I can do 1500 calories. I feel like 1200 is the highest I should go, otherwise the weightloss will be minimal.. I refuse to believe my TDEE is over 1700 and I refuse to believe I'm exercising hard enough that it really counts for more than maybe 500-600 calories per week. If I don't feel sore, super tired or generally exhausted after a workout, I didn't go hard enough. And that's the case 90% of the time, and I'm working on it. I just need to do it consistently so I don't end up losing only muscle. I know you can't gain muscle on a deficit but I can try to maintain it as best as I can. I'm really scared of ending up very skinnyfat. My fat percentage is already really high (shown in the body scan, it really is higher than average) and I look way way way too big for my weight. So I just need to stick with this

    You say "you FEEL" but here is the things...feelings aren't facts. They just aren't.

    I VERY rarely "feel sore, super tired or generally exhausted after a workout." That does NOT mean the workout wasn't good or that I'm not making progress.

    And as we have pointed out, if you limit yourself so strictly on calories, you WILL lose muscle.

    You end your comment with, "so I just need to stick with this." So please tell me what was the point of starting multiple threads asking for advice if you're going to refuse to take advice from people who, dare I say, know a helluva lot more about it than you do? You're making a truly bad decision. That's not an opinion. It's not a FEELING. It's a fact. But hey, whatever, it's your life.

    I DONT KNOW. Im just,, confused. About a lot of things. Whenever I look stuff up on google or whatever the info is super conflicting. I feel bad about myself and needed some opinions. But I guess Im sorry then for wasting everyones time
  • collectingblues
    collectingblues Posts: 2,541 Member
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    puffbrat wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    Do you have a history of eating disorders, @jodienovell?

    Ask me, no, ask my mom, probably. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I'm AWARE that my eating habits are not great and never have been. I was a fat child and I mean genuinely, BMI 25+ child so I took it upon myself to change it. I know I have issues but I have never gotten a diagnosis for anything so I refuse to speak of myself as anything other than a normal dieter.

    Not getting a diagnosis does not mean you don't have a problem. What you are proposing is dangerous.

    To put this in terms you might understand - that large of deficit on non-gym days WILL without a doubt cause your performance in the gym to suffer regardless of how much eat the 2 gym days a week. Eating in a small surplus 2 days a week will not magically lead to muscle gain when you are in such a large deficit the other days. Our bodies work on long-term trends. Your body isn't going to say "Oh a 100 calorie surplus, build muscles today! And tomorrow back to fat loss!" Your overall trend for the week/month(s) will be a huge deficit leading to loss of fat AND muscle as well as other health problems, which is why your gym performance will suffer regardless of how eat on the gym days. Please seriously reconsider doing a moderate calorie deficit or even eating within maintenance and doing recomp.

    This is what I mean. My TDEE according to this is line 1600 calories, so doing 1500 daily will pretty much lead to nothing

    You said you exercise 5 days a week... You have to take that into account. That would at least put you into the moderately active on that site.

    I mean.. I might not exercise hard enough so i dont want to risk it

    With the kindest possible intention, you have some disordered thinking about diet and exercise. You need more assistance than random people on the internet can give.

    i know

    Please talk to your PCP about a referral to a dietitian and a therapist.
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    jodienovell wrote: »
    JBanx256 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    Look, I hear all the thungs you're saying. But I just. I don't think I can do 1500 calories. I feel like 1200 is the highest I should go, otherwise the weightloss will be minimal.. I refuse to believe my TDEE is over 1700 and I refuse to believe I'm exercising hard enough that it really counts for more than maybe 500-600 calories per week. If I don't feel sore, super tired or generally exhausted after a workout, I didn't go hard enough. And that's the case 90% of the time, and I'm working on it. I just need to do it consistently so I don't end up losing only muscle. I know you can't gain muscle on a deficit but I can try to maintain it as best as I can. I'm really scared of ending up very skinnyfat. My fat percentage is already really high (shown in the body scan, it really is higher than average) and I look way way way too big for my weight. So I just need to stick with this

    You say "you FEEL" but here is the things...feelings aren't facts. They just aren't.

    I VERY rarely "feel sore, super tired or generally exhausted after a workout." That does NOT mean the workout wasn't good or that I'm not making progress.

    And as we have pointed out, if you limit yourself so strictly on calories, you WILL lose muscle.

    You end your comment with, "so I just need to stick with this." So please tell me what was the point of starting multiple threads asking for advice if you're going to refuse to take advice from people who, dare I say, know a helluva lot more about it than you do? You're making a truly bad decision. That's not an opinion. It's not a FEELING. It's a fact. But hey, whatever, it's your life.

    I DONT KNOW. Im just,, confused. About a lot of things. Whenever I look stuff up on google or whatever the info is super conflicting. I feel bad about myself and needed some opinions. But I guess Im sorry then for wasting everyones time

    Google is not your friend when it comes to smart weight loss. Did you read this thread when I posted it earlier?

    Read it. Do those things. Succeed.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants/p1
  • jodienovell
    jodienovell Posts: 24 Member
    quiksylver296 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    JBanx256 wrote: »
    jodienovell wrote: »
    Look, I hear all the thungs you're saying. But I just. I don't think I can do 1500 calories. I feel like 1200 is the highest I should go, otherwise the weightloss will be minimal.. I refuse to believe my TDEE is over 1700 and I refuse to believe I'm exercising hard enough that it really counts for more than maybe 500-600 calories per week. If I don't feel sore, super tired or generally exhausted after a workout, I didn't go hard enough. And that's the case 90% of the time, and I'm working on it. I just need to do it consistently so I don't end up losing only muscle. I know you can't gain muscle on a deficit but I can try to maintain it as best as I can. I'm really scared of ending up very skinnyfat. My fat percentage is already really high (shown in the body scan, it really is higher than average) and I look way way way too big for my weight. So I just need to stick with this

    You say "you FEEL" but here is the things...feelings aren't facts. They just aren't.

    I VERY rarely "feel sore, super tired or generally exhausted after a workout." That does NOT mean the workout wasn't good or that I'm not making progress.

    And as we have pointed out, if you limit yourself so strictly on calories, you WILL lose muscle.

    You end your comment with, "so I just need to stick with this." So please tell me what was the point of starting multiple threads asking for advice if you're going to refuse to take advice from people who, dare I say, know a helluva lot more about it than you do? You're making a truly bad decision. That's not an opinion. It's not a FEELING. It's a fact. But hey, whatever, it's your life.

    I DONT KNOW. Im just,, confused. About a lot of things. Whenever I look stuff up on google or whatever the info is super conflicting. I feel bad about myself and needed some opinions. But I guess Im sorry then for wasting everyones time

    Google is not your friend when it comes to smart weight loss. Did you read this thread when I posted it earlier?

    Read it. Do those things. Succeed.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants/p1

    I did read it
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