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angelsja
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So on Monday and today I've had -net calories as I've done over 40k steps I have eaten a few hundred over my original allowance of 1500 but still finished with -net cals.. however I am going to a all you can eat buffet on Sunday so will these 2 possibliy 3 days depending on what walking I do in the week at -net calories harm me at all?
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What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.13 -
harm in what way?
while the site defaults to daily view of calories/goals, many users here use a weekly view of calories in/out knowing they enjoy a larger meals/drinks on fri-sat. so they aim to meet their WEEKLY calorie goal not their daily calorie goal. They save 100-200 calories on some days to eat a bigger meal (or extra drinks) on the weekend. But STILL within the weekly goals.
MFP is built for your to eat back exercises calories though. however, many exercise calculators over estimate so some will eat 50-75% of their exercise calories to be safe.
So you probably actually UNDER ate if you walked 40,000 steps in a day and "only" ate back a few hundred calories.0 -
I think you already know the answer to this.
Think about it. Can burning more total calories (inclusive of BMR, activity, and exercise) than you have consumed in a day be healthy? Your BMR alone is the amount of calories your body needs in order to sustain your typical bodily functions. You've wiped that out, with your activity and your deficit. You've created yourself a 1500 or more calorie deficit in a single day. Do you really think that sounds harmless in the long run?
Not to mention the fact that you've had a pattern of binge restrict cycles in the past. So excessive activity on one day, leading to a negative net calorie total, with a planned excessive indulgence on the weekend - that doesn't seem problematic to you?1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do3 -
harm in what way?
while the site defaults to daily view of calories/goals, many users here use a weekly view of calories in/out knowing they enjoy a larger meals/drinks on fri-sat. so they aim to meet their WEEKLY calorie goal not their daily calorie goal. They save 100-200 calories on some days to eat a bigger meal (or extra drinks) on the weekend. But STILL within the weekly goals.
MFP is built for your to eat back exercises calories though. however, many exercise calculators over estimate so some will eat 50-75% of their exercise calories to be safe.
So you probably actually UNDER ate if you walked 40,000 steps in a day and "only" ate back a few hundred calories.
Yes I under are as I plan to make up for it on Sunday just wanted to ask if -net was a problem0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting
I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out 0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
I don't know if you planning for it is particularly relevant. This is the exact type of situation that seems to have caused you issues in the past. When people talk about "saving" calories, they're not recommending overall negative nets for the day. They're talking about a few hundred calories.
That said, you're the decider on what you are going to do here.3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry0 -
I mean ideally you don't want to end the day with a huge amount of calories left over, you need to fuel yourself. But if you're banking calories for a splurge, some people look at their weekly amounts as opposed to daily. And if the numbers on your diary are accurate, I think I wouldn't worry too terribly much about the buffet coming up. I just wouldn't make a habit of ending the day with huge amount of calories left over unless big meals are also regular. Remember the number MFP gives you already includes a deficit, it's not up to you to create one by purposely ending the day with a lot of calories left over.2
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
There's a difference between saving a few (or even several) hundred calories for a special occasion and undereating by thousands followed by an 'eat til you pop' extravaganza. Classic setup for the binge-restrict cycle you already seem prone to.6 -
MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »I mean ideally you don't want to end the day with a huge amount of calories left over, you need to fuel yourself. But if you're banking calories for a splurge, some people look at their weekly amounts as opposed to daily. And if the numbers on your diary are accurate, I think I wouldn't worry too terribly much about the buffet coming up. I just wouldn't make a habit of ending the day with huge amount of calories left over unless big meals are also regular. Remember the number MFP gives you already includes a deficit, it's not up to you to create one by purposely ending the day with a lot of calories left over.
I know that thanks it's just for my birthday and yes the numbers are accurate I weigh everything even started weighing my tinned tuna which I didn't used to 90% of the time it's what it says on the tin
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
Well in three days you already have 4000 calories banked this week. Even if you do not bank any additional calories for Thursday, Friday and Saturday (although your diary shows a pattern that indicates you will), that means you will have over 5500 calories to use up on Sunday . Do you really think that you would need something in that ballpark?
Again, what most people do when saving up calories is to plan for using an extra 500-1000 calories on the weekend. Maybe a little more. But by doing that, you are depriving your body of the essential energy each day to support your activity.
Again, your posting history shows a pattern of extremes, and a pattern of you trying to dismiss anyone who points out the extreme nature of your habits, calorie intake and exercise. You keep making excuses and trying to minimize what you are doing, or compare it to other people's approach. 40,000 steps in a day is EXTREMELY high. That's the kind of activity that needs to be fueled, and not in a binge 6 days later.
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
There's a difference between saving a few (or even several) hundred calories for a special occasion and undereating by thousands followed by an 'eat til you pop' extravaganza. Classic setup for the binge-restrict cycle you already seem prone to.
^ Beat me to it.3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
There's a difference between saving a few (or even several) hundred calories for a special occasion and undereating by thousands followed by an 'eat til you pop' extravaganza. Classic setup for the binge-restrict cycle you already seem prone to.
^ Beat me to it.
But you said it much more eloquently
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
There's a difference between saving a few (or even several) hundred calories for a special occasion and undereating by thousands followed by an 'eat til you pop' extravaganza. Classic setup for the binge-restrict cycle you already seem prone to.
^ Beat me to it.
But you said it much more eloquently
I wish it would make a difference.5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
Well in three days you already have 4000 calories banked this week. Even if you do not bank any additional calories for Thursday, Friday and Saturday (although your diary shows a pattern that indicates you will), that means you will have over 5500 calories to use up on Sunday . Do you really think that you would need something in that ballpark?
Again, what most people do when saving up calories is to plan for using an extra 500-1000 calories on the weekend. Maybe a little more. But by doing that, you are depriving your body of the essential energy each day to support your activity.
Again, your posting history shows a pattern of extremes, and a pattern of you trying to dismiss anyone who points out the extreme nature of your habits, calorie intake and exercise. You keep making excuses and trying to minimize what you are doing, or compare it to other people's approach. 40,000 steps in a day is EXTREMELY high. That's the kind of activity that needs to be fueled, and not in a binge 6 days later.
Erma yes when I eat what I want I eat my usual take out meal comes to just over 4k calories that's without drinks on top so yeah at a buffet of several different types of food + dessert it's going to be high. Part of the reason for so many steps I im currently doing work week hustle and my competitive side is coming out I agree it is extreme but if this is what I have to do to be able to enjoy my birthday without guilt so be it it's only one week i haven't had any binge urges at home in a long time which is good3 -
I think your Fitbit is giving you a false sense of how many calories you have in your "bank" for your upcoming binge.0
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
Well in three days you already have 4000 calories banked this week. Even if you do not bank any additional calories for Thursday, Friday and Saturday (although your diary shows a pattern that indicates you will), that means you will have over 5500 calories to use up on Sunday . Do you really think that you would need something in that ballpark?
Again, what most people do when saving up calories is to plan for using an extra 500-1000 calories on the weekend. Maybe a little more. But by doing that, you are depriving your body of the essential energy each day to support your activity.
Again, your posting history shows a pattern of extremes, and a pattern of you trying to dismiss anyone who points out the extreme nature of your habits, calorie intake and exercise. You keep making excuses and trying to minimize what you are doing, or compare it to other people's approach. 40,000 steps in a day is EXTREMELY high. That's the kind of activity that needs to be fueled, and not in a binge 6 days later.
Erma yes when I eat what I want I eat my usual take out meal comes to just over 4k calories that's without drinks on top so yeah at a buffet of several different types of food + dessert it's going to be high. Part of the reason for so many steps I im currently doing work week hustle and my competitive side is coming out I agree it is extreme but if this is what I have to do to be able to enjoy my birthday without guilt so be it it's only one week i haven't had any binge urges at home in a long time which is good
If you can't enjoy your birthday and other special occasions without netting negative calories for multiple days prior to the event, then that is not a healthy or sustainable way to live.
You've either got to change your definition of "enjoy" (that is, not require a meal of several thousand calories) or you need to be able to "let go" for certain days.
Is your birthday meal really going to be that less enjoyable if you have 2,500 calories instead of 5,500? If so, then you need to figure out a way to manage the "guilt" that comes from doing what you enjoy.
You're acting like you're caught with a whole set of fixed and unchangeable circumstances here. You're thinking you have to eat this much to enjoy yourself, but you don't. You're thinking that if you do eat this much without netting negative all this week, that you must feel guilt. But neither one of those circumstances are set in stone. You *can* have fun without eating that much and if you still choose to eat that much, you *can* work on making it something that doesn't carry negative emotions.
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janejellyroll wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
Well in three days you already have 4000 calories banked this week. Even if you do not bank any additional calories for Thursday, Friday and Saturday (although your diary shows a pattern that indicates you will), that means you will have over 5500 calories to use up on Sunday . Do you really think that you would need something in that ballpark?
Again, what most people do when saving up calories is to plan for using an extra 500-1000 calories on the weekend. Maybe a little more. But by doing that, you are depriving your body of the essential energy each day to support your activity.
Again, your posting history shows a pattern of extremes, and a pattern of you trying to dismiss anyone who points out the extreme nature of your habits, calorie intake and exercise. You keep making excuses and trying to minimize what you are doing, or compare it to other people's approach. 40,000 steps in a day is EXTREMELY high. That's the kind of activity that needs to be fueled, and not in a binge 6 days later.
Erma yes when I eat what I want I eat my usual take out meal comes to just over 4k calories that's without drinks on top so yeah at a buffet of several different types of food + dessert it's going to be high. Part of the reason for so many steps I im currently doing work week hustle and my competitive side is coming out I agree it is extreme but if this is what I have to do to be able to enjoy my birthday without guilt so be it it's only one week i haven't had any binge urges at home in a long time which is good
If you can't enjoy your birthday and other special occasions without netting negative calories for multiple days prior to the event, then that is not a healthy or sustainable way to live.
You've either got to change your definition of "enjoy" (that is, not require a meal of several thousand calories) or you need to be able to "let go" for certain days.
Is your birthday meal really going to be that less enjoyable if you have 2,500 calories instead of 5,500? If so, then you need to figure out a way to manage the "guilt" that comes from doing what you enjoy.
You're acting like you're caught with a whole set of fixed and unchangeable circumstances here. You're thinking you have to eat this much to enjoy yourself, but you don't. You're thinking that if you do eat this much without netting negative all this week, that you must feel guilt. But neither one of those circumstances are set in stone. You *can* have fun without eating that much and if you still choose to eat that much, you *can* work on making it something that doesn't carry negative emotions.
I didn't purposefully go in -calories I just did more walking than usual since it's been sunnier here and I'm doing a challenge I will have no idea how many calories is in any of the food and I know I don't have to feel guilty but I would anyway but now I shouldn't although not guaranteed but at least I'll be able to enjoy it on the day and I know I don't have to eat that much but 1 we don't eat out that much so I/we get our monies worth and 2 if I'm not logging it I'm going to eat everything (my all or nothing mentality at its finest right there) no more events or special occasions after this till November so should be good after this and yes I know I have a disordered way of thinking involving food etc but I can't help it2 -
MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »I mean ideally you don't want to end the day with a huge amount of calories left over, you need to fuel yourself. But if you're banking calories for a splurge, some people look at their weekly amounts as opposed to daily. And if the numbers on your diary are accurate, I think I wouldn't worry too terribly much about the buffet coming up. I just wouldn't make a habit of ending the day with huge amount of calories left over unless big meals are also regular. Remember the number MFP gives you already includes a deficit, it's not up to you to create one by purposely ending the day with a lot of calories left over.
I know that thanks it's just for my birthday and yes the numbers are accurate I weigh everything even started weighing my tinned tuna which I didn't used to 90% of the time it's what it says on the tin
If you are wanting to lose/not gain weight and this is your birthday why go to a AYCE buffet? Why not make a healthy meal at home? All this worry over one meal doesn't seem like its worth the stress leading up to it or what it will cause after the meal is over.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
Well in three days you already have 4000 calories banked this week. Even if you do not bank any additional calories for Thursday, Friday and Saturday (although your diary shows a pattern that indicates you will), that means you will have over 5500 calories to use up on Sunday . Do you really think that you would need something in that ballpark?
Again, what most people do when saving up calories is to plan for using an extra 500-1000 calories on the weekend. Maybe a little more. But by doing that, you are depriving your body of the essential energy each day to support your activity.
Again, your posting history shows a pattern of extremes, and a pattern of you trying to dismiss anyone who points out the extreme nature of your habits, calorie intake and exercise. You keep making excuses and trying to minimize what you are doing, or compare it to other people's approach. 40,000 steps in a day is EXTREMELY high. That's the kind of activity that needs to be fueled, and not in a binge 6 days later.
Erma yes when I eat what I want I eat my usual take out meal comes to just over 4k calories that's without drinks on top so yeah at a buffet of several different types of food + dessert it's going to be high. Part of the reason for so many steps I im currently doing work week hustle and my competitive side is coming out I agree it is extreme but if this is what I have to do to be able to enjoy my birthday without guilt so be it it's only one week i haven't had any binge urges at home in a long time which is good
If you can't enjoy your birthday and other special occasions without netting negative calories for multiple days prior to the event, then that is not a healthy or sustainable way to live.
You've either got to change your definition of "enjoy" (that is, not require a meal of several thousand calories) or you need to be able to "let go" for certain days.
Is your birthday meal really going to be that less enjoyable if you have 2,500 calories instead of 5,500? If so, then you need to figure out a way to manage the "guilt" that comes from doing what you enjoy.
You're acting like you're caught with a whole set of fixed and unchangeable circumstances here. You're thinking you have to eat this much to enjoy yourself, but you don't. You're thinking that if you do eat this much without netting negative all this week, that you must feel guilt. But neither one of those circumstances are set in stone. You *can* have fun without eating that much and if you still choose to eat that much, you *can* work on making it something that doesn't carry negative emotions.
I didn't purposefully go in -calories I just did more walking than usual since it's been sunnier here and I'm doing a challenge I will have no idea how many calories is in any of the food and I know I don't have to feel guilty but I would anyway but now I shouldn't although not guaranteed but at least I'll be able to enjoy it on the day and I know I don't have to eat that much but 1 we don't eat out that much so I/we get our monies worth and 2 if I'm not logging it I'm going to eat everything (my all or nothing mentality at its finest right there) no more events or special occasions after this till November so should be good after this and yes I know I have a disordered way of thinking involving food etc but I can't help it
You can actually help it.
You can seek professional help.
I am not sure where you are located - England? Surely the NHS has programs for support of eating disorders and/or answering questions if you suspect you have a problem.
Please, please seek help. Your posts suggest that this problem is not something you can manage on your own, no matter how much you think you can by gaming the system - doing enough exercise to bank enough calories to support your binge tendencies guilt free.
We really do wish you the best.
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MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »I mean ideally you don't want to end the day with a huge amount of calories left over, you need to fuel yourself. But if you're banking calories for a splurge, some people look at their weekly amounts as opposed to daily. And if the numbers on your diary are accurate, I think I wouldn't worry too terribly much about the buffet coming up. I just wouldn't make a habit of ending the day with huge amount of calories left over unless big meals are also regular. Remember the number MFP gives you already includes a deficit, it's not up to you to create one by purposely ending the day with a lot of calories left over.
I know that thanks it's just for my birthday and yes the numbers are accurate I weigh everything even started weighing my tinned tuna which I didn't used to 90% of the time it's what it says on the tin
If you are wanting to lose/not gain weight and this is your birthday why go to a AYCE buffet? Why not make a healthy meal at home? All this worry over one meal doesn't seem like its worth the stress leading up to it or what it will cause after the meal is over.
While I agree that planning for an AYCE buffet when OP has binge tendencies seems like not the best idea - there's nothing wrong with wanting to have a special restaurant meal for your birthday, or any special occasion, or just because it's a Saturday. OP said they rarely eat out, so this is a special treat. @angelsja - are there any nice restaurants that you might consider that you can just have a fancy dinner without gorging yourself? You seem to like having the opportunity to try different things, are there any tapas restaurants near you? Are you going with a group, so that you might be able to share and taste different things?
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MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »I mean ideally you don't want to end the day with a huge amount of calories left over, you need to fuel yourself. But if you're banking calories for a splurge, some people look at their weekly amounts as opposed to daily. And if the numbers on your diary are accurate, I think I wouldn't worry too terribly much about the buffet coming up. I just wouldn't make a habit of ending the day with huge amount of calories left over unless big meals are also regular. Remember the number MFP gives you already includes a deficit, it's not up to you to create one by purposely ending the day with a lot of calories left over.
I know that thanks it's just for my birthday and yes the numbers are accurate I weigh everything even started weighing my tinned tuna which I didn't used to 90% of the time it's what it says on the tin
If you are wanting to lose/not gain weight and this is your birthday why go to a AYCE buffet? Why not make a healthy meal at home? All this worry over one meal doesn't seem like its worth the stress leading up to it or what it will cause after the meal is over.
I'd rather go to the AYCE and enjoy it then get tempted and binge at home at least once I've left the restaurant it's over it can't turn into a weekend/week long spiral. 1 day off in the long run isn't going to hurt (I know this) and I can get right back on track on Monday if I stayed home it wouldn't feel special as we are always at home we very rarely go out0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »I mean ideally you don't want to end the day with a huge amount of calories left over, you need to fuel yourself. But if you're banking calories for a splurge, some people look at their weekly amounts as opposed to daily. And if the numbers on your diary are accurate, I think I wouldn't worry too terribly much about the buffet coming up. I just wouldn't make a habit of ending the day with huge amount of calories left over unless big meals are also regular. Remember the number MFP gives you already includes a deficit, it's not up to you to create one by purposely ending the day with a lot of calories left over.
I know that thanks it's just for my birthday and yes the numbers are accurate I weigh everything even started weighing my tinned tuna which I didn't used to 90% of the time it's what it says on the tin
If you are wanting to lose/not gain weight and this is your birthday why go to a AYCE buffet? Why not make a healthy meal at home? All this worry over one meal doesn't seem like its worth the stress leading up to it or what it will cause after the meal is over.
While I agree that planning for an AYCE buffet when OP has binge tendencies seems like not the best idea - there's nothing wrong with wanting to have a special restaurant meal for your birthday, or any special occasion, or just because it's a Saturday. OP said they rarely eat out, so this is a special treat. @angelsja - are there any nice restaurants that you might consider that you can just have a fancy dinner without gorging yourself? You seem to like having the opportunity to try different things, are there any tapas restaurants near you? Are you going with a group, so that you might be able to share and taste different things?
I'm not sure tbh we chose a AYCE mainly due to our daughter who's autistic she has trouble sitting for long periods so being able to get little bits of food to try and then get more is a big help for her and also the different types of food for her to try. My binging is actually slot better I've had 0 urges to binge this time round I have found I can have "treats" in the house and as long as I allocate them to someone e.g these are my daughter's/partners I'm not even tempted to eat them
Edit to add: just the 4 of us going me, my partner and our 2 daughter's1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What do you mean by "harm"?
Two days of under calories isn't likely to cause you any harm (assuming you have no underlying medical condition).
I do know, however, from your previous posts that excessive restriction followed by binges is an issue for you and this sounds like you're falling into that same pattern. Going into an all-you-can-eat situation following a few days of excessive restriction sounds like you may be setting yourself up for the same type of pattern that has led you to disappointment and frustration in the past.
I've seen you be upset with yourself after eating too much at "special" events. It seems like you may be setting yourself up for that same type of frustration again.
But I'm planning it this time hence the extra exercise just wanted to know if calories going into -net as in I burnt off all my food + all my calories again was bad to do
Planning to restrict and then binge as opposed to just doing it impulsively?
Yeah no, still not healthy.
I'm not restricting I've eaten all my allowance + more today and I'm full I see lots of people saying to exercise more & or save some calories for special occasions/eating out
Right. I often bank 100-200 calories/day during the week to save some up for a special event on the weekend.
You are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you have NEGATIVE NET CALORIES. Not that you are under your calorie goal, but that you have eaten 1500 and have a calorie exercise adjustment of greater than 1500 calories, leaving you at -200 or so calories for the day (you didn't share the actual numbers).
So no, that's not the same thing.
My diary is open and 1-200 would be ok if I knew how many calories I would be consuming but I have never been to the place I'm going and it's a all you can eat + all you can eat dessert so yeah I'll need slot of calories also I'm not hungry
Well in three days you already have 4000 calories banked this week. Even if you do not bank any additional calories for Thursday, Friday and Saturday (although your diary shows a pattern that indicates you will), that means you will have over 5500 calories to use up on Sunday . Do you really think that you would need something in that ballpark?
Again, what most people do when saving up calories is to plan for using an extra 500-1000 calories on the weekend. Maybe a little more. But by doing that, you are depriving your body of the essential energy each day to support your activity.
Again, your posting history shows a pattern of extremes, and a pattern of you trying to dismiss anyone who points out the extreme nature of your habits, calorie intake and exercise. You keep making excuses and trying to minimize what you are doing, or compare it to other people's approach. 40,000 steps in a day is EXTREMELY high. That's the kind of activity that needs to be fueled, and not in a binge 6 days later.
Erma yes when I eat what I want I eat my usual take out meal comes to just over 4k calories that's without drinks on top so yeah at a buffet of several different types of food + dessert it's going to be high. Part of the reason for so many steps I im currently doing work week hustle and my competitive side is coming out I agree it is extreme but if this is what I have to do to be able to enjoy my birthday without guilt so be it it's only one week i haven't had any binge urges at home in a long time which is good
If you can't enjoy your birthday and other special occasions without netting negative calories for multiple days prior to the event, then that is not a healthy or sustainable way to live.
You've either got to change your definition of "enjoy" (that is, not require a meal of several thousand calories) or you need to be able to "let go" for certain days.
Is your birthday meal really going to be that less enjoyable if you have 2,500 calories instead of 5,500? If so, then you need to figure out a way to manage the "guilt" that comes from doing what you enjoy.
You're acting like you're caught with a whole set of fixed and unchangeable circumstances here. You're thinking you have to eat this much to enjoy yourself, but you don't. You're thinking that if you do eat this much without netting negative all this week, that you must feel guilt. But neither one of those circumstances are set in stone. You *can* have fun without eating that much and if you still choose to eat that much, you *can* work on making it something that doesn't carry negative emotions.
I didn't purposefully go in -calories I just did more walking than usual since it's been sunnier here and I'm doing a challenge I will have no idea how many calories is in any of the food and I know I don't have to feel guilty but I would anyway but now I shouldn't although not guaranteed but at least I'll be able to enjoy it on the day and I know I don't have to eat that much but 1 we don't eat out that much so I/we get our monies worth and 2 if I'm not logging it I'm going to eat everything (my all or nothing mentality at its finest right there) no more events or special occasions after this till November so should be good after this and yes I know I have a disordered way of thinking involving food etc but I can't help it
You *can* help it. Maybe not immediately and maybe not by yourself, but we are not permanently at the mercy of our fears and anxieties.
There are many people here who have navigated some of the same stuff that you have.4
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