Keto Diet

lacyphacelia

I've tried keto before doing the high-fat part, and all it did was cause digestive distress. When I cut down on the fat, I was constipated. YMMV.

zeejane03

psuLemon wrote: »

zeejane03 wrote: »

janejellyroll wrote: »

lorrainequiche59 wrote: »

@janejellyroll Where in my comment did I state that carbohydrates are what's making people fat and they need to be strictly limited for weight loss? Nor did I say carbs are dangerous. If you are making a general statement based on opinion developed from what you've "read somewhere" then please do not quote me and mix in your opinion with what I wrote.

I think you need to re-read my post. I`m not an expert nor am I promoting Keto. I`m speaking from my personal perspective regarding my limited experience trying Keto for 4 entire days. The restrictive vegetable allowance is why I opted out of following it and chose a low carb eating plan as opposed to restrictive one. To ME it IS "common sense" to include a variety of vegetables to maintain a healthy eating plan. I did not say those strictly adhering to the Keto plan would agree with me. I am not speaking for the Keto community nor advocating for them.

The Ketogenic diet was developed to help children with seizures so it has medical evidence that it has other health benefits besides weight loss. Some are reduced blood pressure, cholesterol and food cravings among other things. The OP stated that her doctor recommended Keto to her because she herself is following it. So there`s some food for thought, hmmmm?

Anyway, "to each his own". I know why I came on this thread, but am curious why you did if you are so against Keto.

PS ~ Zero Carbohydrate diet??? Really???

I didn't say *you* said that, but "carbohydrates are what make you fat" is a common message among proponents of keto (and it's something I've seen frequently here from posters). I've also seen people say that carbohydrates are "dangerous" or "poison." Again, I'm not talking about your comments, I'm talking about the general statements made by many advocates of keto.

To you, it is "common sense" to include vegetables. But if someone is being told that carbohydrates are "poison," it may not be "common sense" to eat vegetables regularly.

I don't know that it particularly matters why I'm on this thread, but if you really want to know it's because I enjoy discussing nutrition (which is what we're doing here). I hope that's okay.

Yes, "zero carbohydrate" is a thing. There's a whole community for it on reddit, as well as some fairly prominent people who claim to have adopted such a diet. There are even a couple of posters here who are either zero carbohydrate or almost zero carbohydrate, so that's something to keep in mind when we're thinking that it's "common sense" for everyone to eat vegetables.

Yep, there's keto/carnivore advocates here who have posted that vegetables are bad for you, fiber is bad etc.

The claim isn't that fiber is bad, is that it's unnecessary.

Thanks for the clarification, I should have worded my post differently

JaxxieKat

zeejane03 wrote: »

I've never heard of salads being a focus of keto?

I'm thinking her physician may follow Dr. Berg's approach, which recommends 7-10 cups of veggies per day, so long as they are keto friendly (obviously no potatoes, corn, etc)

nvmomketo

I am one who is nearly carnivore - I drink coffee and have some plants once or twice a week.

I agree that the "fibre is unnecessary " is a valid argument for people not eating carbs.

Fibre helps with getting the nutrients you need from the bacteria that feed on the fibre, but those nutrients are readily available in animal products. Fibre helps those with IR by slowing the BG spike that comes with carbs too. I think for people eating carbs, including fibre is quite beneficial. For those who eat very few carbs or none, we do not need a digestive aid nor the nutrients that bacteria can make in the gut.

Vegetables and fruits can be healthful but there is no evidence that shows they are more nutritious or healthful than animal products. (Except for the rare few with problems like too much iron or a meat allergy - one off cases that are not the norm.) They can be included in a healthy diet but they are not necessary, just like vegans can create a healthy diet without animal products, with some attention to supplementation.

nvmomketo

I found this article today that explains (much better than I ever could) how fibre can be beneficial to a diet, and why it may be less beneficial for those on a whole foods ketogenic diet.
https://blog.virtahealth.com/fiber-colon-health-ketogenic-diet/

The article comes from virta which has a lchf for treating metabolic disease (mainly t2d) so it may have a low carb bias. It was written rather fairly though, imo.