Plant-Based vs Veganism

HelenGerdes

Hello health enthusiast! Wanted to know your opinion on a plant based diet or a vegan diet. Which one would you consider and why? Also, what diet do you currently follow? Thanks y’all

nic_27_grassisgreener

A plant based diet is the same as a vegan diet. People started using the term "plant based" because the word vegan scares others off.

Personally, my vegetarian diet is a choice not related to my weight.

PKM0515

My understanding is that a plant-based diet limits but does not necessarily exclude animal products.

I've been a vegetarian since I was 14 (decades ago). I tried veganism a couple of times when I was much, much younger, but I think the longest I lasted was maybe six months.

sharondesfor935

I've been starting to look into predominantly plant-based eating for health reasons myself.

What I seem to find pretty regularly is this: I can't speak to whether plant-based eaters *ever* allow meat into their diets, but veganism is a whole lifestyle that encompasses compassion for animals and includes refusing to wear leather or buy personal care, household goods/furnishings, cars, etc., that contain leather, fur, or any other animal products (or that has been tested on animals). It often, but not always, prefers sustainable production practices and organic (or better yet, veganic) farming methods. It appears to be more about the world and less about the self, except in how one's self impacts the world.

Plant-based seems to be more about the diet itself. Some vegans call themselves plant-based (or WFPB) instead of vegan for social reasons. Some people call themselves vegan but never address the part of the lifestyle that isn't about diet. Whether that's simply not stirring up trouble, or whether they're actually plant-based eaters rather than vegan, I can't begin to guess. If their story begins, "I once had to visit a..." they're probably vegan.

As someone who is neither, yet, but just beginning my research into the topic, please expect that I may have any or all of this wrong.

thomasjohnlynch

its a LOT more simple then all of this. "Vegan is what I don't eat, but Whole Food Plant Based is what I DO eat." Not Vegan the noun but vegan eating. I have always said I am a "selfish unethical Vegan" >> i don't care about the animals and its ALL about ME!!!! and my health.

A nice video from a VERY knowledgeable guy for you to explore. https://youtu.be/lyR9T_86pxg

MikePTY

Just a heads up that plant based or vegan doesn't necessarily = healthy. There are plenty of unhealthy and obese vegans out there. You still have to make big choices within the framework.

thomasjohnlynch

MikePTY wrote: »

Just a heads up that plant based or vegan doesn't necessarily = healthy. There are plenty of unhealthy and obese vegans out there. You still have to make big choices within the framework.

ABSOLUTELY. Our animal loving vegan friends are sometimes not too human loving health-wise however...... top 20 Vegan crap food items.

a Whole Food Plant Based eater would not touch any of this junk. I surely don't. I also wear a leather belt while eating my grilled vegetable wrap! <smile>

1. Cinnamon Life
2. Duncan Hines Double Fudge Decadent Brownie Mix
3. Nabisco Oreo Chocolate Cones Oreo Ice Cream Cones
4. Airheads
5. Cracker Jack
6. Doritos Spicy Sweet Chili–Flavored Tortilla Chips
7. Fritos
8. Fruit by the Foot
9. Kettle Brand Potato Chips (sea salt and vinegar)
10. Lay’s Potato Chips (barbecue and classic)
11. Nature Valley Crunchy Granola Bars (peanut butter)
12. Ritz Crackers
13. Ruffles Original Potato Chips
14. Sour Patch Kids
15. Wheat Thins
16. Hershey’s Syrup
17. Ore Ida Tater Tots Ore Ida Tater Tots
18. Pringles (original only) Pringles Original
19. Nabisco Oreo 100 Cal Thin Crisps
20. Jell-O Cook & Serve Vanilla Pudding & Pie Filling

A lot of vegans having type two diabetes from all the sugar and junk, coronary heart disease and cancers from the chemicals and process products.

Helengerdes - yes there is an educated difference and some overlap! Your path will help you decide. BUIT your are not a label or a term. Just go eat

From a good documentary on the subject:

In Defense of Food, Michael Pollen says 7 words. "Eat Food, Not too much, Mostly Plants."

oh yeah and LOG IT on MFP <wink>

sharondesfor935

Oh NO! Without Doritos and potato chips, how will I live?

Really, every source I've checked so far (if I'm honest, I'm just watching YouTubers to start, and slowly picking out those who resonate with me, like Mic the Vegan and Simnett Nutrition) references Dr Gregor and Dr Esselstyn. Today I even downloaded Dr Gregor's Daily Dozen app to check it out. I tried entering my qualifying foods for today and yesterday, and ended up averaging 19 out of 24 before even knowing what it was all about.

Those YouTubers, especially Derek Simnett, have slowly reshaped what I eat, more meals than not. I haven't yet given up cheese, but I'm not replacing what gets used up. Ditto eggs. I think I've eaten red meat twice in the last 3 months. Pizza once. I stopped eating chicken a month or so ago. I'm learning (or possibly failing to learn, if I look at my results) what a chia egg is and where it can substitute for a hen's egg. That avocado or hummus can replace cheese or mayo in sandwiches and in plenty of other meals. That oil really isn't necessary most of the time (I still can't make pancakes that don't stick to my "non stick" griddle unless I either spray a little Pam on it or wipe it with a towel mourned with oil. Everything else seems to work fine for me but pancakes. 🤔) That the oil in an oil and vinegar salad dressing doesn't actually affect the flavor in any way, so why not just use the vinegar? Or better yet, a fresh orange chopped up and mixed in with fresh spinach...don't even need dressing with that! On the downside, I learned today that whole grain pasta has a freaking TON of cholesterol, who knew?

I'm still hooked on fish. I just like it. Especially sushi. Will I continue to become more vegan-like in my diet? I don't know yet. It's all still an experiment in my health. But I lost nearly 30 lbs in 100 days (on a 5'2" frame, that's a lot and really fast), gained enough energy to start exercising again, and simply feel better, younger, and stronger. I'm 58 now, and in December I felt 68. Today I feel 48 again...and I'm shooting for 38. 😁 I credit those two particular YouTubers for at least half the change.

My diet may never become 100% plant-based, but it's sure done a 180 from my starting point.

lemurcat2

100% plant-based = not eating animal sourced foods. Veganism = not using animal sourced foods or other products (clothes, makeup) for ethical reasons.

thomasjohnlynch

sharondesfor935 wrote: »

Oh NO! Without Doritos and potato chips, how will I live?

Really, every source I've checked so far (if I'm honest, I'm just watching YouTubers to start, and slowly picking out those who resonate with me, like Mic the Vegan and Simnett Nutrition) references Dr Gregor and Dr Esselstyn. Today I even downloaded Dr Gregor's Daily Dozen app to check it out. I tried entering my qualifying foods for today and yesterday, and ended up averaging 19 out of 24 before even knowing what it was all about.

Those YouTubers, especially Derek Simnett, have slowly reshaped what I eat, more meals than not. I haven't yet given up cheese, but I'm not replacing what gets used up. Ditto eggs. I think I've eaten red meat twice in the last 3 months. Pizza once. I stopped eating chicken a month or so ago. I'm learning (or possibly failing to learn, if I look at my results) what a chia egg is and where it can substitute for a hen's egg. That avocado or hummus can replace cheese or mayo in sandwiches and in plenty of other meals. That oil really isn't necessary most of the time (I still can't make pancakes that don't stick to my "non stick" griddle unless I either spray a little Pam on it or wipe it with a towel mourned with oil. Everything else seems to work fine for me but pancakes. 🤔) That the oil in an oil and vinegar salad dressing doesn't actually affect the flavor in any way, so why not just use the vinegar? Or better yet, a fresh orange chopped up and mixed in with fresh spinach...don't even need dressing with that! On the downside, I learned today that whole grain pasta has a freaking TON of cholesterol, who knew?

I'm still hooked on fish. I just like it. Especially sushi. Will I continue to become more vegan-like in my diet? I don't know yet. It's all still an experiment in my health. But I lost nearly 30 lbs in 100 days (on a 5'2" frame, that's a lot and really fast), gained enough energy to start exercising again, and simply feel better, younger, and stronger. I'm 58 now, and in December I felt 68. Today I feel 48 again...and I'm shooting for 38. 😁 I credit those two particular YouTubers for at least half the change.

My diet may never become 100% plant-based, but it's sure done a 180 from my starting point.

So a little bit of a "core dump" of information but this is my Health Food Cheat Sheet of books, videos, documentaries and quotes plus some other summary items.

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G-BOMBS - stands for Greens, Beans, Onions, Mushrooms, Berries, and Seeds.

Calorie Density by Jeff Novick… 2016

• Vegetables (70 to 200) 100 / lb
• Fruits (250) 300/ lb
• Unrefined carbs (oatmeal, potatoes, rice, sweet potatoes) 500/lb
• Beans & Legumes (550 to 600) 600/lb
• Fatty protein (meats, steaks up to 1200 to 1400) 1,000/lb
• Refined carbs (bread, dry cereal, crackers, whole grain a.k.a dry goods no water - 1,200 to 1,400) 1,400
• Junk food (Oreos, gummies) 2,300
• Nuts and Seeds 2,800
• Oil & Fat 4,000

Square the curve - live long and just drop dead.

Longest lived people: 1.4 calorie density or 550 cal/pound.
9% protein, 85% carb, 6% fat (3.7 gram sat fat (1.8% calories - 1/5 of American)
Sweet Potatoes 70% , Rice 12% , other grains 7%, Beans 6%, 15 grams of fish or 1/2 oz of fish not fish eaters. 3 grams per day 3/4 TEASPOON)
NO meat, eggs, dairy and 1/5 the osteoporosis we have in America

Living Healthy in a an Unhealthy World.

Cut the Calorie Rich And Processed foods. (CRAP) Jeff Novick.

Hippocrates on the subject:
"If a man is not his own doctor he is a fool"
"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food."
"The greatest medicine of all is teaching people how not to need it"
"The physician treats, but nature heals."
"All disease begins in the gut"
"Primum non nocerum. (First do no harm)"

"I never teach my pupils; I only attempt to provide the conditions in which they can learn." - Albert Einstein

Don't let your schooling get in the way of your education. -- Mark Twain

Eat only foods that will eventually rot!
Eat only food prepared by humans.
Do not eat any foods seen on TV.

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Dr Gregor " Vegan is what don't eat. Whole food plant based is my lifestyle"

Dr. Kim Williams, President of the American College of Cardiology, and cardiologist at Rush University in Chicago, "I don't mind dying, I just don't want it to be my fault."


“People are fed by the food industry, which pays no attention to health, and are treated by the health industry, which pays no attention to food.”
― Wendell Berry

"To dig your grave with your teeth." Dr. Roy Swank, 1959

In Defense of Food, Michael Pollen says 7 words. "Eat Food, Not too much, Mostly Plants."

Dr Gregor "Nothing tastes as Good as Healthy Feels!"

" Be the change your wish to see in the world. " - Ghandi

""Doubt is our Product."' Cigarette industry (owns most food conglomerates today) as quoted by Dr Gregor

"He's the best physician who knows the worthlessness of most medicines". Ben Franklin.

Oscar Wilde "all things in moderation including moderation"

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Movies: most on Netflix.

C Word
Food Choices
What the Health
In Defense Of Food
What's With Wheat
Hungry for Change
Forks Over Knives
Cowspirasy
Earthlings
The Healing Effect
Plastic Planet
Is Sugar the New Fat
PlanEAT


Some books, recipes, etc.

Dr. Michael Greger, " How NOT to Die" ***** favorite
Joel Furhman "Eat to Live"
Caldwell Esselstyn, MD "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease"
Anticancer by Dr David Servan-Scheiver
McDougal : Starch Based
Harvey Diamond, "Fit for Living"
Rip Esselstyn "Engine 2 Diet"
Julieanna Hever MS RD " Plant-based Nutrition"
John McDougall's MD www.drmcdougall.com "The Starch Solution"
Michael Klaper, MD www.doctorklaper.com "Digestion Mad Easy"
Neal Barnard "21 Day Weight Loss Kick Start"
Brenda Davis RD "Becoming Vegan"
Jeff Novick MS RD "Fast Food Burgers & Fries"
John Robbins "Diet for a New America"
Doug Lisle PHD "The Pleasure Trap"
Kris Carr "Crazy Sexy Diet"
T. Colin Campbell, PHD "The China Study"
Jon Gabriel, "The Gabriel Method"
Dr. Christiane Northrup, "Woman Bodies, Woman's Wisdom"

apullum

OP appears to have deleted her account. I don't think she's coming back to the thread.

bannock_and_biceps

yes i just posted something on another thread she started. she's definitely split

aokoye

You know, I'm all about eating locally and seasonally, cooking from scratch, buying meat at my favorite butcher when I get a chance, and so on. That said the pseudoscience is strong this evening.

pierinifitness

Have any of the posters here read up on or have a comment about Dr. John McDougall’s starch-based nutrition approach. He avoids the vegan term.

cathipa

Vegan only says what you don't/won't eat or use. It does not imply you are eating healthy. WFPB says you eat mostly whole foods and are plant based.