Ketogenic Diet??
littlebee26
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I am 5 4 and weigh 128lbs. I've lost 9lbs in 5 weeks. My body fat % has gone from 25% to 22.5%. I have a personal trainer and work out (with weights) 4 times per week, first thing in the morning (7-8am) on an empty stomach. I eat 1200 - 1600 calories a day and my diet is high protein, low in carbs - fat somewhere in between.
I am wondering if it might be worth trying the ketogenic diet. I have done some research and it seems that this diet will yield great results. I want to get down to 18 - 20% body fat before I start moving on to the bulking phase and I am looking for the most effective way to do that. This last 2-5% body fat might be tough to shift so it will take hard work in the gym and with my diet. The foods that are allowed on the ketogenic diet look freakin tasty too so thats a real draw for me. Oh, and to anyone who is about to give me jip about needing to see this as a lifestyle change......this is my life
I am an intense human being. Thats the way I like it baby!!
Anyhoo, anyone out there able to vouch for/give their opinion on the keto diet?
I am wondering if it might be worth trying the ketogenic diet. I have done some research and it seems that this diet will yield great results. I want to get down to 18 - 20% body fat before I start moving on to the bulking phase and I am looking for the most effective way to do that. This last 2-5% body fat might be tough to shift so it will take hard work in the gym and with my diet. The foods that are allowed on the ketogenic diet look freakin tasty too so thats a real draw for me. Oh, and to anyone who is about to give me jip about needing to see this as a lifestyle change......this is my life
I am an intense human being. Thats the way I like it baby!!Anyhoo, anyone out there able to vouch for/give their opinion on the keto diet?
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asking people on MFP about starting a high protein high fat diet that includes eating cheese, bacon and all that other good sht on a regular is gonna get hilarious results.
most women here dodge fats like the plague and get no moer thant 70g of protein lol. I say go for it, I have a mate who did it but couldnt stick it (he love dem carbs). They key is how your body works with carbs, some people cant hack low carbs and just feel tired and miserable as sin.
but yes there are some big benefits on going keto0 -
asking people on MFP about starting a high protein high fat diet that includes eating cheese, bacon and all that other good sht on a regular is gonna get hilarious results.
most women here dodge fats like the plague and get no moer thant 70g of protein lol. I say go for it, I have a mate who did it but couldnt stick it (he love dem carbs). They key is how your body works with carbs, some people cant hack low carbs and just feel tired and miserable as sin.
but yes there are some big benefits on going keto
Awww I'm well used to getting hilarious replies :P I think I will give this a go. I'm on very low carbs as it is so it shouldn't be that much of a transition. I'll just have to get used to all the bacon and steak!!!0 -
Ketogenic diet has no more effect than a normal caloric deficit unless you have medical issues with Insulin (chances are you don't)0
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Ketogenic diet has no more effect than a normal caloric deficit unless you have medical issues with Insulin (chances are you don't)
Nope, indeed I do not. I may still give it a go though. As it does sound tasty0 -
I am 5 4 and weigh 128lbs. I've lost 9lbs in 5 weeks. My body fat % has gone from 25% to 22.5%. I have a personal trainer and work out (with weights) 4 times per week, first thing in the morning (7-8am) on an empty stomach. I eat 1200 - 1600 calories a day and my diet is high protein, low in carbs - fat somewhere in between.
I am wondering if it might be worth trying the ketogenic diet. I have done some research and it seems that this diet will yield great results. I want to get down to 18 - 20% body fat before I start moving on to the bulking phase and I am looking for the most effective way to do that. This last 2-5% body fat might be tough to shift so it will take hard work in the gym and with my diet. The foods that are allowed on the ketogenic diet look freakin tasty too so thats a real draw for me. Oh, and to anyone who is about to give me jip about needing to see this as a lifestyle change......this is my life I am an intense human being. Thats the way I like it baby!!
Anyhoo, anyone out there able to vouch for/give their opinion on the keto diet?
I have eaten ketogenically for over a year, and would never go back to calorie counting or eating the standard 40/30/30 ratios or whatever. Literally. If I were in prison, I'd probably have to shank a guy for their bologna every day.0 -
I'm ketogenic for health reasons first and foremost. It's a permanent LIFESTYLE for me.
Firstly, you may already be at a healthy weight, so I wouldn't agree on a "diet". If you want to improve health, by all means give it a try. However, a ketogenic lifestyle is high fat NOT high protein. Protein should be moderate which varies upon your personal needs. Fat should always make up the vast majority of your macros (that goes for everyone, imo).
It's a myth that you HAVE to eat a bunch of bacon. Please do some research into the lifestyle. Personally, I follow a Paleo version because it is my opinion that processed foods, including "diet/low carb" and artifiical sweeteners/flavours, are not conducive to optimal health. But lots of people will now jump in and tell you/me how I am so wrong. :laugh:0 -
no...terrible idea0
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Ketogenic diet has no more effect than a normal caloric deficit unless you have medical issues with Insulin (chances are you don't)
Nope, indeed I do not. I may still give it a go though. As it does sound tasty
Feel free to try it, but I don't see why when you can just eat 'fatty' foods in your normal macros
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I am 5 4 and weigh 128lbs. I've lost 9lbs in 5 weeks. My body fat % has gone from 25% to 22.5%. I have a personal trainer and work out (with weights) 4 times per week, first thing in the morning (7-8am) on an empty stomach. I eat 1200 - 1600 calories a day and my diet is high protein, low in carbs - fat somewhere in between.
I am wondering if it might be worth trying the ketogenic diet. I have done some research and it seems that this diet will yield great results. I want to get down to 18 - 20% body fat before I start moving on to the bulking phase and I am looking for the most effective way to do that. This last 2-5% body fat might be tough to shift so it will take hard work in the gym and with my diet. The foods that are allowed on the ketogenic diet look freakin tasty too so thats a real draw for me. Oh, and to anyone who is about to give me jip about needing to see this as a lifestyle change......this is my life I am an intense human being. Thats the way I like it baby!!
Anyhoo, anyone out there able to vouch for/give their opinion on the keto diet?
I have eaten ketogenically for over a year, and would never go back to calorie counting or eating the standard 40/30/30 ratios or whatever. Literally. If I were in prison, I'd probably have to shank a guy for their bologna every day.
Yea, I reckon it might be the way forward for me. I have no problem with a disciplined diet, but hey, it might as well include as many foods that you love as possible. The Keto diet looks like the kind of sh1t I'm into!!!0 -
no...terrible idea
why so?0 -
Ketogenic diet has no more effect than a normal caloric deficit unless you have medical issues with Insulin (chances are you don't)
Nope, indeed I do not. I may still give it a go though. As it does sound tasty
Feel free to try it, but I don't see why when you can just eat 'fatty' foods in your normal macros
I suppose I just like the clear guidance of a diet like this when cutting.0 -
Ketogenic diet has no more effect than a normal caloric deficit unless you have medical issues with Insulin (chances are you don't)
Nope, indeed I do not. I may still give it a go though. As it does sound tasty
Feel free to try it, but I don't see why when you can just eat 'fatty' foods in your normal macros
I suppose I just like the clear guidance of a diet like this when cutting.
What do you mean? What's so clear about the ketogenic diet in comparison to a normal diet?
You have macros, you hit them... that's it.0 -
I am 5 4 and weigh 128lbs. I've lost 9lbs in 5 weeks. My body fat % has gone from 25% to 22.5%. I have a personal trainer and work out (with weights) 4 times per week, first thing in the morning (7-8am) on an empty stomach. I eat 1200 - 1600 calories a day and my diet is high protein, low in carbs - fat somewhere in between.
I am wondering if it might be worth trying the ketogenic diet. I have done some research and it seems that this diet will yield great results. I want to get down to 18 - 20% body fat before I start moving on to the bulking phase and I am looking for the most effective way to do that. This last 2-5% body fat might be tough to shift so it will take hard work in the gym and with my diet. The foods that are allowed on the ketogenic diet look freakin tasty too so thats a real draw for me. Oh, and to anyone who is about to give me jip about needing to see this as a lifestyle change......this is my life I am an intense human being. Thats the way I like it baby!!
Anyhoo, anyone out there able to vouch for/give their opinion on the keto diet?
I have eaten ketogenically for over a year, and would never go back to calorie counting or eating the standard 40/30/30 ratios or whatever. Literally. If I were in prison, I'd probably have to shank a guy for their bologna every day.
Yea, I reckon it might be the way forward for me. I have no problem with a disciplined diet, but hey, it might as well include as many foods that you love as possible. The Keto diet looks like the kind of sh1t I'm into!!!
This may be shocking, but you could have a flexible diet and eat all the foods you love, including ones with carbs. Woah0 -
I'm ketogenic for health reasons first and foremost. It's a permanent LIFESTYLE for me.
Firstly, you may already be at a healthy weight, so I wouldn't agree on a "diet". If you want to improve health, by all means give it a try. However, a ketogenic lifestyle is high fat NOT high protein. Protein should be moderate which varies upon your personal needs. Fat should always make up the vast majority of your macros (that goes for everyone, imo).
It's a myth that you HAVE to eat a bunch of bacon. Please do some research into the lifestyle. Personally, I follow a Paleo version because it is my opinion that processed foods, including "diet/low carb" and artifiical sweeteners/flavours, are not conducive to optimal health. But lots of people will now jump in and tell you/me how I am so wrong. :laugh:
Well, its common sense that processed foods and artificial sweetners are not healthy so I don't think anyone can really argue with that. Would a paleo version of the keto diet not leave you limited in what you can eat though? Could I send you a friend request and have a peek in you diary??0 -
no...terrible idea
why so?
Coz there an idiot... I've never done Keto but I'm not ignorant enough to refute a type of diet that has worked at even at the top levels of bodybuilding0 -
no...terrible idea
why so?
Coz their an idiot... I've never done Keto but I'm not ignorant enough to refute a type of diet that has worked at even at the top levels of bodybuilding0 -
no...terrible idea
why so?
Coz their an idiot... I've never done Keto but I'm not ignorant enough to refute a type of diet that has worked at even at the top levels of bodybuilding
No-one is saying it doesn't work, it's just... there is no need.0 -
I am 5 4 and weigh 128lbs. I've lost 9lbs in 5 weeks. My body fat % has gone from 25% to 22.5%. I have a personal trainer and work out (with weights) 4 times per week, first thing in the morning (7-8am) on an empty stomach. I eat 1200 - 1600 calories a day and my diet is high protein, low in carbs - fat somewhere in between.
I am wondering if it might be worth trying the ketogenic diet. I have done some research and it seems that this diet will yield great results. I want to get down to 18 - 20% body fat before I start moving on to the bulking phase and I am looking for the most effective way to do that. This last 2-5% body fat might be tough to shift so it will take hard work in the gym and with my diet. The foods that are allowed on the ketogenic diet look freakin tasty too so thats a real draw for me. Oh, and to anyone who is about to give me jip about needing to see this as a lifestyle change......this is my life I am an intense human being. Thats the way I like it baby!!
Anyhoo, anyone out there able to vouch for/give their opinion on the keto diet?
I have eaten ketogenically for over a year, and would never go back to calorie counting or eating the standard 40/30/30 ratios or whatever. Literally. If I were in prison, I'd probably have to shank a guy for their bologna every day.
Yea, I reckon it might be the way forward for me. I have no problem with a disciplined diet, but hey, it might as well include as many foods that you love as possible. The Keto diet looks like the kind of sh1t I'm into!!!
This may be shocking, but you could have a flexible diet and eat all the foods you love, including ones with carbs. Woah
WOW!!! Thats some crazy sh1t you are talking man!! Why is it so inconceivable to some people that I may not need that flexiblity. Sheesh, everyone is different. I like rigidity. I'm an intense person. And I'm cool with that
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But you could get the best of both worlds and carb cycle, one day high carb lower fat, one day higher fat lower carb.. etc...
Personally I don't see why people would remove carbs from their diet, just makes no sense to me.0 -
no...terrible idea
why so?
Coz their an idiot... I've never done Keto but I'm not ignorant enough to refute a type of diet that has worked at even at the top levels of bodybuilding
No-one is saying it doesn't work, it's just... there is no need.
As I already said above - Why is it so inconceivable to some people that I may not need that flexiblity. Sheesh, everyone is different. I like rigidity. I'm an intense person. And I'm cool with that 0 -
I don't really see a problem with a ketogenic diet in a healthy individual. HOWEVER, if you have not had blood work done recently I would get that done before you start. A ketogenic diet is pretty high in saturated fats which can be hell if you already have cholesterol issues.0
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no...terrible idea
why so?
Too restrictive, miserable, hinders performance greatly, not sustainable (mentally imo) no advantages to other forms unless you have a medical condition that requires limiting sugar or carbs.0 -
I'm on the last full day of a 4 week cyclical ketogenic diet, which sounds more like what you are looking for rather than going on the standard ketogenic diet some others here are on. I will tell you I took at least a month or more to plan every step of it along the way. For CKD to work, you have to be very strict on what you eat, how hard you are willing to train. Trust me, it isn't as easy as you think. I was lucky in that I didn't have any of the adverse reactions that many have reported in the first week or so. Reports of fatigue, headaches, and massive bouts of crankiness are not uncommon. What works in my favor is that I am one of the worlds most boring eaters -- I have basically eaten the same thing every day for 4 weeks except for the dinner meal, so that was just shifting the protein source. I will run the final results on Saturday morning after I get into re-carbing, but after 3 weeks, I've lost an inch or more on my waist, hips, and thighs, which is where I store my fat. And my bf% is down a bit over 2%.. Yes, I think you probably should get medical clearance before you consider it because there are certain people that it can be very dangerous for. Of couse most medical professionals don't understand it either. And it does have some very appropriate medical uses as well (epileptic children and some cancer patients for example). But before you begin, I would recommend that you read Lyle McDonald's The Ketogenic Diet. Especially the chapters concerning the CKD. But I would recommend Chapter 8, setting calorie targets for diets for absolutely everyone. It has nothing to do with ketogenic diets at all and may be the best discussion and review of how to set calorie targets I have ever read.
CKD has been utilized by natural bodybuilders for many years so this isn't some brand new fad. It works, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it for everyone. It is probably only for a very limited few people, in fact. But for those that can do it, I believe it really can work.
My food diaries are open if you would like to review them. Feel free to send me a message if you have any questions.0 -
But you could get the best of both worlds and carb cycle, one day high carb lower fat, one day higher fat lower carb.. etc...
Personally I don't see why people would remove carbs from their diet, just makes no sense to me.
Yes, I could do that. But I don't need to. And it wouldn't make me any happier. My diet is very low on carbs as it is anyway. If I can take or leave carbs (which I can) why would I keep them in my diet. Why would I not choose the keto diet which is close to my current diet and very likely to help me in shifting the last 2-5% body fat?0 -
But you could get the best of both worlds and carb cycle, one day high carb lower fat, one day higher fat lower carb.. etc...
Personally I don't see why people would remove carbs from their diet, just makes no sense to me.
Yes, I could do that. But I don't need to. And it wouldn't make me any happier. My diet is very low on carbs as it is anyway. If I can take or leave carbs (which I can) why would I keep them in my diet. Why would I not choose the keto diet which is close to my current diet and very likely to help me in shifting the last 2-5% body fat?
Because it won't make any difference to shifting fat than just removing a few calories from any of the macros (as it will be a minor adjustment).0 -
People get really huffed up about their carbs when you mention starting a keto diet. Here are some things to think about:
1) Keto is about NET CARBS. This is carbs-fiber. This means you still eat tons of carbs from high fiber sources, such as vegetables. These things are also very healthy and low in calories.
2) You do not eat simple carbs with low fiber, this is basically bread and sugar (no nutritional value anway).
3) Eating fatty foods is very satiating and therefore makes it easy to maintain a caloric deficit (the diet is not a magical fat loss tool, you still need a caloric deficit to reduce mass.)
4) Eating Keto also makes it easy to keep your protein up high enough to maintain your muscle while losing weight.
I say try it for 30 days and see how you feel. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up about it.0 -
You don't have to restrict carbs to have the same results. My lean mass is intact because I eat enough protein and I lift 3x/week. My fats sit at about 90g and my carbs are in the 135 range. It's not HIGH carb, but it is more balanced and it gives my body what it requires alliwing me some fun stuff too.0
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I'm on the last full day of a 4 week cyclical ketogenic diet, which sounds more like what you are looking for rather than going on the standard ketogenic diet some others here are on. I will tell you I took at least a month or more to plan every step of it along the way. For CKD to work, you have to be very strict on what you eat, how hard you are willing to train. Trust me, it isn't as easy as you think. I was lucky in that I didn't have any of the adverse reactions that many have reported in the first week or so. Reports of fatigue, headaches, and massive bouts of crankiness are not uncommon. What works in my favor is that I am one of the worlds most boring eaters -- I have basically eaten the same thing every day for 4 weeks except for the dinner meal, so that was just shifting the protein source. I will run the final results on Saturday morning after I get into re-carbing, but after 3 weeks, I've lost an inch or more on my waist, hips, and thighs, which is where I store my fat. And my bf% is down a bit over 2%.. Yes, I think you probably should get medical clearance before you consider it because there are certain people that it can be very dangerous for. Of couse most medical professionals don't understand it either. And it does have some very appropriate medical uses as well (epileptic children and some cancer patients for example). But before you begin, I would recommend that you read Lyle McDonald's The Ketogenic Diet. Especially the chapters concerning the CKD. But I would recommend Chapter 8, setting calorie targets for diets for absolutely everyone. It has nothing to do with ketogenic diets at all and may be the best discussion and review of how to set calorie targets I have ever read.
CKD has been utilized by natural bodybuilders for many years so this isn't some brand new fad. It works, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it for everyone. It is probably only for a very limited few people, in fact. But for those that can do it, I believe it really can work.
My food diaries are open if you would like to review them. Feel free to send me a message if you have any questions.
Thanks for this. There is a lot here to think about. I will definately have a look at your food diary. And I must get hold of that book.0 -
People get really huffed up about their carbs when you mention starting a keto diet. Here are some things to think about:
1) Keto is about NET CARBS. This is carbs-fiber. This means you still eat tons of carbs from high fiber sources, such as vegetables. These things are also very healthy and low in calories.
2) You do not eat simple carbs with low fiber, this is basically bread and sugar (no nutritional value anway).
3) Eating fatty foods is very satiating and therefore makes it easy to maintain a caloric deficit (the diet is not a magical fat loss tool, you still need a caloric deficit to reduce mass.)
4) Eating Keto also makes it easy to keep your protein up high enough to maintain your muscle while losing weight.
I say try it for 30 days and see how you feel. If you have any questions feel free to hit me up about it.
Thanks, will do0 -
Thanks for this. There is a lot here to think about. I will definately have a look at your food diary. And I must get hold of that book.
The book is 300+ pages and explains EVERYTHING you want to know about the 3 types of keto diets: standard, targeted and cyclical. Everything and then some. It is availble for download online. It is dense reading and takes time. But I think it is almost mandatory before diving into any type of keto diet.0
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