Calorie Counting...
J72FIT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ0QXCTqjUs&feature=youtu.be6
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Love it. The man puts out some great information, and I've never seen anyone else lay out an approach like this and I believe I'm going to use it. Thanks for putting that up!1
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Love it. The man puts out some great information, and I've never seen anyone else lay out an approach like this and I believe I'm going to use it. Thanks for putting that up!
Sweet! Oddly enough I also put it up for myself. I am a calorie counter that is trying not to be one anymore. I feel like it has become a crutch...1 -
This is a refined take on a very old piece of advice. And its honestly helpful to only a small subset of people. Who in the heck has time or energy to cook that many dishes? If I can't fit it in one pot or pan, I ain't making it. Too many dishes. I got anxious just looking at his plate and imagining trying to make that many things all the time.
It also excludes picky eaters who hate veggies, and basically eliminates from your diet anything that isn't homogeneous. You can't mix your protein, starch and veg and have a stir fry, for example, because this technique will fail.
Also what about non-dinner meals? I gotta make all that three times a day? What if I want a sandwich? What about all the foods I don't use a plate for? Can I still eat soup?
I get what he's trying to say, and I think some people will find value in this. But I feel like he's left out too much in an effort to simplify things, and has made it too simple and likely to fail. Its more of an occasionally handy guideline than a diet plan.12 -
HAHA I just posted this vid in another thread.. Good stuff!2 -
This is a refined take on a very old piece of advice. And its honestly helpful to only a small subset of people. Who in the heck has time or energy to cook that many dishes? If I can't fit it in one pot or pan, I ain't making it. Too many dishes. I got anxious just looking at his plate and imagining trying to make that many things all the time.
It also excludes picky eaters who hate veggies, and basically eliminates from your diet anything that isn't homogeneous. You can't mix your protein, starch and veg and have a stir fry, for example, because this technique will fail.
Also what about non-dinner meals? I gotta make all that three times a day? What if I want a sandwich? What about all the foods I don't use a plate for? Can I still eat soup?
I get what he's trying to say, and I think some people will find value in this. But I feel like he's left out too much in an effort to simplify things, and has made it too simple and likely to fail. Its more of an occasionally handy guideline than a diet plan.
Absolutely. He does admit it's not for everyone.1 -
Love it. The man puts out some great information, and I've never seen anyone else lay out an approach like this and I believe I'm going to use it. Thanks for putting that up!
Sweet! Oddly enough I also put it up for myself. I am a calorie counter that is trying not to be one anymore. I feel like it has become a crutch...
I'm counting so I can say I did lol. I've been a comfortable ~180 for months now with a very good idea of what and how much goes in. If I want to try to cut bf % at some point I'll count, for now I'll do this and enjoy my Taquitos and rice
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I like the video, buuutt.... why are plain boiled white potatoes been shown to be one of the most satisfying and satiating foods ever tested? At .8 calories a gram for sweet potatoes and white potatoes they are low to low moderate calorie density.1 -
So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?12 -
So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...0 -
So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
I don't understand what you mean by crutch. A crutch takes pressure off, and is something like Jenny Craig or meal replacement shakes. They do the work for you while you put in little to no effort.
Calorie counting is the other thing: you have to do all the work. Weigh the food, plan the meals, figure out what macros work for you. It's pretty much the exact opposite of a crutch, aside from the part where the app gives you some starting goals to work with and a database of nutrition info that you still have to double check most of the time.6 -
I was referring to your second post as much as the video when I mentioned pushback.So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
Why does it feel like a crutch? Also, what's wrong with a crutch? It's a tool. Tools are there to use and there's no shame/harm in using them.
It's like saying that side mirrors on a car are a crutch because you can just look over your shoulder.
Why do you feel the need to move beyond calorie counting? Do you also feel the need to move beyond tracking your checking account balance?1 -
I was referring to your second post as much as the video when I mentioned pushback.So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
Why does it feel like a crutch? Also, what's wrong with a crutch? It's a tool. Tools are there to use and there's no shame/harm in using them.
It's like saying that side mirrors on a car are a crutch because you can just look over your shoulder.
Why do you feel the need to move beyond calorie counting? Do you also feel the need to move beyond tracking your checking account balance?
All I can say is I don’t like doing it anymore...1 -
That, right there, is a great reason for you to find a different way.
I was referring to your second post as much as the video when I mentioned pushback.So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
Why does it feel like a crutch? Also, what's wrong with a crutch? It's a tool. Tools are there to use and there's no shame/harm in using them.
It's like saying that side mirrors on a car are a crutch because you can just look over your shoulder.
Why do you feel the need to move beyond calorie counting? Do you also feel the need to move beyond tracking your checking account balance?
All I can say is I don’t like doing it anymore...
However, that doesn't mean that calorie counting is a lesser way than whatever way that you eventually settle into using.5 -
I think we all need to find our own path on this journey. We're not all starting from the same point. We're not all here for the same reason. If you go in one direction and it doesn't work for you, then you can choose another path. ☺
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Actually, imho.... using BOTH methods helps. When you go off your regular schedule meal patterns and eat different, knowing the skill of tracking is a boon.4
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I don't think there's any suggestion that calorie counting is a lesser way. It's an amazingly successful method, but as stated above, some folks want to change up, some don't. I'm going to do this and if I begin to gain unwanted weight, the counting will still be there
That, right there, is a great reason for you to find a different way.
I was referring to your second post as much as the video when I mentioned pushback.So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
Why does it feel like a crutch? Also, what's wrong with a crutch? It's a tool. Tools are there to use and there's no shame/harm in using them.
It's like saying that side mirrors on a car are a crutch because you can just look over your shoulder.
Why do you feel the need to move beyond calorie counting? Do you also feel the need to move beyond tracking your checking account balance?
All I can say is I don’t like doing it anymore...
However, that doesn't mean that calorie counting is a lesser way than whatever way that you eventually settle into using.
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This is a refined take on a very old piece of advice. And its honestly helpful to only a small subset of people. Who in the heck has time or energy to cook that many dishes? If I can't fit it in one pot or pan, I ain't making it. Too many dishes. I got anxious just looking at his plate and imagining trying to make that many things all the time.
It also excludes picky eaters who hate veggies, and basically eliminates from your diet anything that isn't homogeneous. You can't mix your protein, starch and veg and have a stir fry, for example, because this technique will fail.
Also what about non-dinner meals? I gotta make all that three times a day? What if I want a sandwich? What about all the foods I don't use a plate for? Can I still eat soup?
I get what he's trying to say, and I think some people will find value in this. But I feel like he's left out too much in an effort to simplify things, and has made it too simple and likely to fail. Its more of an occasionally handy guideline than a diet plan.
The plate is to teach you the ratios and then you can apply them without the plate. So a stir fry would have x percent vegetables, x percent protein, x percent carbs. Soup, sandwiches, all of it would be the same ratios. Of course without the plate then weighing and logging become the much easier route.
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I was referring to your second post as much as the video when I mentioned pushback.So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
Why does it feel like a crutch? Also, what's wrong with a crutch? It's a tool. Tools are there to use and there's no shame/harm in using them.
It's like saying that side mirrors on a car are a crutch because you can just look over your shoulder.
Why do you feel the need to move beyond calorie counting? Do you also feel the need to move beyond tracking your checking account balance?
I took it to mean that he feels that some people do not learn manual portion control because they do not pay attention and just use an app. In other words if you measure out 28g of cheese enough times you should learn what it looks like. They you should be able to go to a restaurant and if a salad is supposed to be X calories and it is loaded with way too much cheese to fit the calorie number you should be able to spot it.
If I didn't have internet access at all for a month I would be able to stay somewhere close to my calorie goal just because I have logged so much. I am not sure how long I could go before my calories crept higher but I really don't think I want to find out.5 -
That, right there, is a great reason for you to find a different way.
I was referring to your second post as much as the video when I mentioned pushback.So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
Why does it feel like a crutch? Also, what's wrong with a crutch? It's a tool. Tools are there to use and there's no shame/harm in using them.
It's like saying that side mirrors on a car are a crutch because you can just look over your shoulder.
Why do you feel the need to move beyond calorie counting? Do you also feel the need to move beyond tracking your checking account balance?
All I can say is I don’t like doing it anymore...
However, that doesn't mean that calorie counting is a lesser way than whatever way that you eventually settle into using.
100% agree. Was not my intention to suggest it was. My apologies if that is the way it came across...0 -
I don't think there's any suggestion that calorie counting is a lesser way. It's an amazingly successful method, but as stated above, some folks want to change up, some don't. I'm going to do this and if I begin to gain unwanted weight, the counting will still be there
That, right there, is a great reason for you to find a different way.
I was referring to your second post as much as the video when I mentioned pushback.So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
Why does it feel like a crutch? Also, what's wrong with a crutch? It's a tool. Tools are there to use and there's no shame/harm in using them.
It's like saying that side mirrors on a car are a crutch because you can just look over your shoulder.
Why do you feel the need to move beyond calorie counting? Do you also feel the need to move beyond tracking your checking account balance?
All I can say is I don’t like doing it anymore...
However, that doesn't mean that calorie counting is a lesser way than whatever way that you eventually settle into using.
This is what I have been doing. I get to my desired weight, then stop tracking. Once my weight consistently stays 5 lbs above my desired weight I track to get it back down. Each time I stop tracking it has taken longer for the weight to creep back up so I am making progress.1 -
I don't think there's any suggestion that calorie counting is a lesser way. It's an amazingly successful method, but as stated above, some folks want to change up, some don't. I'm going to do this and if I begin to gain unwanted weight, the counting will still be there
That, right there, is a great reason for you to find a different way.
I was referring to your second post as much as the video when I mentioned pushback.So, basically MyPlate:
He didn't mention fats at all in the video. He laid out a suggested ratio with clock hand positions and then didn't even follow it himself. He discussed food portion size but not eating frequency or number of meals.
He was spot on when he said that it's ultimately about calories and figuring out how to keep those under control.
I don't understand the pushback to calorie counting. It takes the guesswork out of the equation. It's super-simple with modern labeling and technology. Why worry when I can take 10 minutes total per day to log my intake and know?
I don’t think there was any pushback. He probably runs into a lot of people in which calorie counting frustrates them. This is a way to control calories without counting which appeals to me. 10 years ago I liked calorie counting. I found it therapeutic. Now I feel like it’s a crutch. This appealed to me...
Why does it feel like a crutch? Also, what's wrong with a crutch? It's a tool. Tools are there to use and there's no shame/harm in using them.
It's like saying that side mirrors on a car are a crutch because you can just look over your shoulder.
Why do you feel the need to move beyond calorie counting? Do you also feel the need to move beyond tracking your checking account balance?
All I can say is I don’t like doing it anymore...
However, that doesn't mean that calorie counting is a lesser way than whatever way that you eventually settle into using.
This is what I have been doing. I get to my desired weight, then stop tracking. Once my weight consistently stays 5 lbs above my desired weight I track to get it back down. Each time I stop tracking it has taken longer for the weight to creep back up so I am making progress.
That's a great feeling, isn't it? I've been within ~4lbs for some time now and I'm actually beginning to find I just don't want to over eat any more. I know that's awfully simplistic, but my default has always been "1 more bite won't hurt" and it always resulted in that creep up the scale. I've never had to deal with obesity thank God, but I always tended towards fluffy.
Actually staying at a chosen weight range rather than gaining and having to count and lose is a whole new place for me. Love it 2 -
Calorie counting is not for everyone. I've figured that out. I actually enjoy it. Separate and apart from the lost pounds. Its interesting. Allows me to be innovative with cooking. And, if i get on the scale and it doesn't show a weight loss I know it is just water or elimination because I can look at the chart and see I'm down 3500 calories for the week.
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Like I stated before, I think this is a good video for new folks. I have the idea that it can make things easier. I personally believe in teaching a person to fish though. Before I started tracking, used to use old school pen and paper before I found MFP, I had little clue what was in the food I ate. Now, highly aware. Rigid tracking for 3 years plus will do that. I have a good video on caloric density. Pardon the vegan propaganda.
https://youtu.be/0CdwWliv7Hg 0 -
psychod787 wrote: »Like I stated before, I think this is a good video for new folks. I have the idea that it can make things easier. I personally believe in teaching a person to fish though. Before I started tracking, used to use old school pen and paper before I found MFP, I had little clue what was in the food I ate. Now, highly aware. Rigid tracking for 3 years plus will do that. I have a good video on caloric density. Pardon the vegan propaganda.https://youtu.be/0CdwWliv7Hg
I tracked for a long time with pen and paper as well before MFP. Old school...
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Love it. The man puts out some great information, and I've never seen anyone else lay out an approach like this and I believe I'm going to use it. Thanks for putting that up!
Sweet! Oddly enough I also put it up for myself. I am a calorie counter that is trying not to be one anymore. I feel like it has become a crutch...
Other than an occasional check, I haven't been counting for the last year or so and have maintained just fine. I have been intuitively using the kind of thinking he has described. For me, protein and fibrous carbs give me the highest satiety. So, eating mostly those and few starchy carbs has worked well.2 -
psychod787 wrote: »Like I stated before, I think this is a good video for new folks. I have the idea that it can make things easier. I personally believe in teaching a person to fish though. Before I started tracking, used to use old school pen and paper before I found MFP, I had little clue what was in the food I ate. Now, highly aware. Rigid tracking for 3 years plus will do that. I have a good video on caloric density. Pardon the vegan propaganda.https://youtu.be/0CdwWliv7Hg
I tracked for a long time with pen and paper as well before MFP. Old school...
we are OT's... oldschool trackers.. lol0
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