Need help meal planning to loosing weight
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I'm a little nervous about answering. The anger and tension are palpable.
Sustainable is different for us all. I might like different foods than you. For me, a diet that is plant based with seafood, eggs and some dairy is sustainable. You might be allergic to seafood.
That said, tomorrow I'm fitting a gyro into my calories. Why? Because I want to.2 -
I like food. I like a lot of it, and a lot of so-called "forbidden" foods. Thing is, I see a lot of my fitter, fabulous friends who indulge in those delectable goodies, and so I figure, if they can be fit and have treats, so can I. I eat high volume, low calorie foods so I'm not unbearably starving while I'm on this journey, and I treat myself with chips, ice cream, etc when my calorie goals allow it. To me, this makes my journey sustainable. If you think this approach matches your needs, feel free to follow me, my diary is public. Ive been trying post photos and calorie counts of some of my meals to keep myself motivated.1
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1 cup of Rice - 160 Calories (White Rice - Sona Masoori - So that there's no cheating the calories)
1 cup of Black Beans - 227 Calories
2 Boiled Eggs - 136 Calories
1/2 can (130g) of sweet corn - 100 Calories
1 Banana - 105 Calories
150g of Greek Yoghurt (Fat Free) - 81 calories (Full Fat) - 100 Calories
1 Cup of Blue Berries - 86 Calories
Total - +/- 895 Calories
I am not here to get in on the drama but I was watching this thread and I thought it was funny that what you suggested was pretty much my dinner today! (Close enough to for a resemblance but not exact.)
And I guess I will comment that my HSW was 226 at 5'1" (154 cm) and even THAT was hard to just make the change. And yes the diet might be necessary to change when you're in a habit of eating massive amounts of calorie-dense junk food. For me, that was the only way I could teach my body to eat less calories. Now I've moved back into some processed food but stay under my calories. And a lot of this is what I eat daily or at least 1-2 times a week.... In fact eggs, bananas, and berries ARE daily foods of mine.
Edit: I wanted to add for the OP: Do what works and change what doesn't. If you want to flip your diet to something healthy then I am all for that. If it's too hard, let yourself have a Big Mac or Whopper etc., but factor it into your calories.
The most important thing for losing weight is having a calorie deficit. If you decide that in this time frame you would rather lose weight than eat healthy, that really is up to you. Change your "diet" as you see fit, and change what doesn't work, don't give up when things aren't going so well.1 -
I'm a little nervous about answering. The anger and tension are palpable.
Sustainable is different for us all. I might like different foods than you. For me, a diet that is plant based with seafood, eggs and some dairy is sustainable. You might be allergic to seafood.
That said, tomorrow I'm fitting a gyro into my calories. Why? Because I want to.
But see... THat's exactly my point.
I was just pointing out the 2 different ways of thinking.
One way is to eliminate stuff that you eat and are making you sick and fat and eat single ingredient food. Like vegetables, grains, legumes, meat, fish, eggs.
But immediately, someone else came in trying to tell a person that was asking for help that it was ok to keep eating garbage.
That's what got me upset... I didn't meant to make you uncomfortable.
I just wanted to see if you had something different in mind.3 -
Also, still need references for the processed food claims you made before. Maybe I can learn something new.
This is all available in google.
Harvard Health (Not sure if you would consider this "Some Blog")
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/gut-feelings-how-food-affects-your-mood-2018120715548
US National Library of Medicine(Not sure if you would consider this "Some Blog")
On Processed Food.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5872783/
On High protein (Dairy specific)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28215168
Hopkins Medicine (Not sure if you would consider this "Some Blog")
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/gut-health
National institute of Health (Not sure if you would consider this "Some Blog")
https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/pdf/S1550-4131(19)30248-7.pdf
But the main point is... You know all of this already. It's obvious that you know.
You meal looks great on paper but in reality there's nothing there I would eat on a daily basis, therefor I would fail. This is what happens to people. They read some strict way of eating and try to follow it. It happened to me several times (and no, I was not morbidly obese but I was obese).
Which meal is better? Neither. When you make things so black and white there's no room to find what works for you.
Whole food is better... PERIOD. There's no discussion there.
You argue that "restricting" food choices to an estimated 20k edible plants + meat + fish + eggs + poultry is difficult to follow.
I would argue that telling a person who is severely overweight to keep finding ways to eat the garbage that's making them sick is not only irresponsible, but bad faith.And, at what point did I ever say to not change your habits????
Nowhere. and that's the problem. You offered nothing.
your first comment was and I quote "WHY?"
All you did so far is disrupt and offer nothing to the original post.BTW - At 300 pounds the Big Mac meal would fit into a 2500 calorie diet and you could still lose weight. A Big Mac meal with small fries and diet drink would work even better.
And Diet Drink? You MUST be joking.Question for you? What is more important NOW? Losing the weight or worrying about nutrition?
FWIW - Nutrition IS important. Just don't try to do it all in one day.
A diet consisting of Twinkies and Ding Dongs only, if kept under the calorie count will make you lose weight. Would you recommend that? Apparently losing the weight is more important.
So I Say DO BOTH
By eating whole food, you don't have to think about nutrition.
It's about health and supporting a lifestyle that is better in the short and the long run.
It's about curbing addictions and filling your belly while you do it.
Full Belly = no hunger (can we agree on that?)
There are no macro counts, no worries about vitamins and minerals and no need for supplements.
All you need to worry about is staying under your calorie count.
You can go to Chipotle and eat a huge burrito bowl.
You can go to Sweet Tomatoes(Called soup plantation in some places) and eat unlimited amounts of natural food.
You can go to Golden Corral and eat everything that's not processed. Anything from the salad bar, the meat station and the fruit station.
All I am saying is, until your health has been reclaimed, to avoid the things that are making you sick.
It doesn't have to be forever, thou for many people, once they get the benefits and energy of healthy eating and they get rid of their food addictions, going back is no longer appealing.
But again, not my life. Do what you feel is best for you.6 -
First, to @tlpina82, if I pissed you off I apologize. It was not my intention. I am not upset nor angry. I simply disagree with you. Asking someone to completely change their diet day one is a recipe for failure for many. If you told me that a few years ago and I followed your advice I would still be fat. I have tried that before and I know many others who also did. Ask around here for advice from those who are successful long term and see how many changed things gradually (and didn't include foods they hate).
I'll look at your sources later when I have time but, yeah, I do consider the opinion pieces on any web site 'some blog' even if they seem to be on respected sites.
Meanwhile, a video in case you are interested in artificial sweeteners (I take it from the 'diet soda' comment you have issues with them as well). It also delves into gut health.0 -
I have never been close to 305 pounds and I eat everything you say I shouldn't (and more)*.
That's exactly my point. You have no idea.
Food, for many people who are severely obese, is a vice, an addiction.
And I bet you will never, ever find a nutritionist/dietitian that will take an obese person + all the metabolic issues that come with it and tell them it's ok to keep eating the very things that are making them sick.
No one here says that you can't have those things ever again, but if you're a person trying to make a choice to lose weight and live a healthier life, the only place to start is the kitchen.
Quick example:
BIG MAC - 563 calories
Large Fries - 510 calories (And lets be honest here, who orders small fries?)
Small Coke - +/- 200 calories (And that's again, assuming small)
Total - +/- 1273 Calories
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1 cup of Rice - 160 Calories (White Rice - Sona Masoori - So that there's no cheating the calories)
1 cup of Black Beans - 227 Calories
2 Boiled Eggs - 136 Calories
1/2 can (130g) of sweet corn - 100 Calories
1 Banana - 105 Calories
150g of Greek Yoghurt (Fat Free) - 81 calories (Full Fat) - 100 Calories
1 Cup of Blue Berries - 86 Calories
Total - +/- 895 Calories
I know this is a futile exercise and you know what works for you, but i have 3 questions:
1 - Which meal is better for Health?
2 - How Many people do you know that could sit and eat all that in one meal?
3 - Which one is better for weight loss?
SO, to @19Native_Girl91, the original poster.
Read all of the replies and make a decision between changing your habits or keep doing what you do today and see if anything changes.
Here's the thing: I got and stayed obese while eating pretty much the kinds of things on your "healthy foods" list, just waaaay too much of them, and I stayed obese while quite athletically active for 10+ years and eating those kinds of foods. Even now, at a weight in the mid-130s, I could easily eat all the things you list (for 895 calories) in one meal. (Occasionally, I pretty much do, with minor variations in the details.) I've never been much of a soda pop drinker, and I haven't had a Big Mac since 1974 (I've been vegetarian for 45+ years). I did eat fries occasionally . . . but I still do.
What @dewd2 suggested is excellent advice, and I endorse it:Start by logging EVERYTHING you are currently eating. Weigh everything and don't cheat yourself. Look at how many calories you are eating and how many you should be eating (MFP will tell you that if you enter you stats and goals). Then start to look at ways to either eliminate some things that push you over or just eat less of them. Do this for a couple weeks until you start hitting your goals.
There's no one true way to eat. You need to find what works for you.
Good luck.
As a more specific plan along these lines, this thread (below) describes the approach I used nearly 4 years ago to lose nearly 1/3 of my body weight, and maintain a healthy weight since, after literally decades of obesity (while age 59+ and hypothyroid, if that matters):
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10636388/free-customized-personal-weight-loss-eating-plan-not-spam-or-mlm/
To lose weight (and especially to maintain a healthy weight long term), a person for sure has to change their habits. Which changes to make, and how, is a pretty individualized question. Overnight revolutions work for some people, but not for everyone.2
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