Intermittent fasting
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Why on earth do you think this is so great by not eating food?2
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L1zardQueen wrote: »Why on earth do you think this is so great by not eating food?
I probably eat more food than you. I’m well fed, thank you.
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What I see is a slippery slope.1
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L1zardQueen wrote: »Why on earth do you think this is so great by not eating food?
I continue to find IF as some great test of discipline somewhat odd (especially vs other ways of having the exact same calorie deficit or maintenance or the like), but whatever. I have fasted for 24 hours on occasion (just because it happened) and 36 hour fast for religious reasons at least a couple times a year, but I've never thought of that as some feat (and when for religious purposes announcing it to the world would be contra the point). I was able to fast for full days (i.e., 36 hours) when overweight, and yet that "discipline" didn't actually cure my overeating. I had to figure out what my day to day overeating was about and stop that (and the method I picked felt natural and easy, not like something that required huge will power except on rare temptation occasion).5 -
pierinifitness wrote: »With over one year of consecutive IF’ing it, I’ve never done a 24 hour fast until today with this bullseye!
For me, IF is a lifestyle and discipline cultivator.
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jhanleybrown wrote: »I also have a question on this. I'm going to try IM. Have not in the past. My "IM" will be a low bar. Basically I'm going to allow my daily calorie goal but then no eating after 3 pm until the next morning.
Is this silly since net calories are the same? I've read that it actually does accelerate weight loss and I do have a tendency to load calories (even when i stay within goal) in the evening.
I was going to try this 1x per month so not a huge commitment.
Seems like the jury is out on this and research is all over the map.
OK. No idea what "IM" is and googling is impossible since it's showing every page that has the phrase "I'm" but I'm guessing from context that it's some kind of TRE?
What you're describing sounds, to my ears, entirely counter-intuitive. One of the keys to sustained weight loss is working WITH your natural tendencies to make things as easy as possible rather than waging a battle against yourself and relying on 'will power' and 'motivation' to push through.
You say that you tend to want to consume your calories at night but are attempting an approach that goes completely against that. You'll be eating your calories at a time when you're not particularly hungry then struggling to control yourself at time when your appetite kicks in.
So I guess what I'm wondering is, why go against the grain like this? Why not do what comes natural to you and move some/most of your calorie consumption away from times when you're not as naturally hungry and to the time of day when you're going to want to eat.6 -
pierinifitness wrote: »With over one year of consecutive IF’ing it, I’ve never done a 24 hour fast until today with this bullseye!
For me, IF is a lifestyle and discipline cultivator.
What discipline have you cultivated in this fast?
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Maybe he just wanted to see if he could do it??? I doubt if it had anything to do with him trying to control overeating. If I remember correctly he is in his 60's. Something about aging makes you want to see if you can accomplish certain things. I have read that he has worked hard on getting and staying fit. I know that me being in my 60's I have some things in my bucket list that some of you might think is a little strange.
While I might not understand why fasting for 24 hours is important to him that doesn't nor should it take away from the fact the he feels as if he accomplished something. I have never felt the need to fast for religious reasons but I can respect that others do.
pierinifitness...congratulations on achieving what you wanted.2 -
Maybe he just wanted to see if he could do it??? I doubt if it had anything to do with him trying to control overeating. If I remember correctly he is in his 60's. Something about aging makes you want to see if you can accomplish certain things. I have read that he has worked hard on getting and staying fit. I know that me being in my 60's I have some things in my bucket list that some of you might think is a little strange.
While I might not understand why fasting for 24 hours is important to him that doesn't nor should it take away from the fact the he feels as if he accomplished something. I have never felt the need to fast for religious reasons but I can respect that others do.
pierinifitness...congratulations on achieving what you wanted.
Ok, but why would he not be able to do it? He has never mentioned an insulin problem which would be the primary road block to a 24 hour fast.
If you are fasting for personal growth it is not to accomplish going without food it is to... well... grow which is why I asked the question. If it is to cultivate discipline what discipline was cultivated?
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Maybe he just wanted to see if he could do it??? I doubt if it had anything to do with him trying to control overeating. If I remember correctly he is in his 60's. Something about aging makes you want to see if you can accomplish certain things. I have read that he has worked hard on getting and staying fit. I know that me being in my 60's I have some things in my bucket list that some of you might think is a little strange.
While I might not understand why fasting for 24 hours is important to him that doesn't nor should it take away from the fact the he feels as if he accomplished something. I have never felt the need to fast for religious reasons but I can respect that others do.
pierinifitness...congratulations on achieving what you wanted.
Ok, but why would he not be able to do it? He has never mentioned an insulin problem which would be the primary road block to a 24 hour fast.
If you are fasting for personal growth it is not to accomplish going without food it is to... well... grow which is why I asked the question. If it is to cultivate discipline what discipline was cultivated?
I don't know why he wanted to do it...it isn't any of my business nor my concern. All that I do know is that felt a certain amount of pride in accomplishing a 24 hour fast. If that gave him a certain amount of pride then I am certainly not going to deprive him of that. I don't think that what he did was dangerous so why would I try to minimize it.
BTW I would probably fail at a 24 hour fast...pretty sure that I would because it is nothing that I want to achieve.1 -
Maybe he just wanted to see if he could do it??? I doubt if it had anything to do with him trying to control overeating. If I remember correctly he is in his 60's. Something about aging makes you want to see if you can accomplish certain things. I have read that he has worked hard on getting and staying fit. I know that me being in my 60's I have some things in my bucket list that some of you might think is a little strange.
While I might not understand why fasting for 24 hours is important to him that doesn't nor should it take away from the fact the he feels as if he accomplished something. I have never felt the need to fast for religious reasons but I can respect that others do.
pierinifitness...congratulations on achieving what you wanted.
Ok, but why would he not be able to do it? He has never mentioned an insulin problem which would be the primary road block to a 24 hour fast.
If you are fasting for personal growth it is not to accomplish going without food it is to... well... grow which is why I asked the question. If it is to cultivate discipline what discipline was cultivated?
I don't know why he wanted to do it...it isn't any of my business nor my concern. All that I do know is that felt a certain amount of pride in accomplishing a 24 hour fast. If that gave him a certain amount of pride then I am certainly not going to deprive him of that. I don't think that what he did was dangerous so why would I try to minimize it.
BTW I would probably fail at a 24 hour fast...pretty sure that I would because it is nothing that I want to achieve.
It would not be any of my concern either except that he did decide to broadcast it on the internet which makes it fair game to ask questions.
You would not fail if you were required to do it for a medical reason. You would just see it through.3 -
Maybe he just wanted to see if he could do it??? I doubt if it had anything to do with him trying to control overeating. If I remember correctly he is in his 60's. Something about aging makes you want to see if you can accomplish certain things. I have read that he has worked hard on getting and staying fit. I know that me being in my 60's I have some things in my bucket list that some of you might think is a little strange.
While I might not understand why fasting for 24 hours is important to him that doesn't nor should it take away from the fact the he feels as if he accomplished something. I have never felt the need to fast for religious reasons but I can respect that others do.
pierinifitness...congratulations on achieving what you wanted.
Ok, but why would he not be able to do it? He has never mentioned an insulin problem which would be the primary road block to a 24 hour fast.
If you are fasting for personal growth it is not to accomplish going without food it is to... well... grow which is why I asked the question. If it is to cultivate discipline what discipline was cultivated?
I don't know why he wanted to do it...it isn't any of my business nor my concern. All that I do know is that felt a certain amount of pride in accomplishing a 24 hour fast. If that gave him a certain amount of pride then I am certainly not going to deprive him of that. I don't think that what he did was dangerous so why would I try to minimize it.
BTW I would probably fail at a 24 hour fast...pretty sure that I would because it is nothing that I want to achieve.
It would not be any of my concern either except that he did decide to broadcast it on the internet which makes it fair game to ask questions.
You would not fail if you were required to do it for a medical reason. You would just see it through.
Sometimes people do things not because they have to or to even cultivate a discipline...they just do it because they want to see if they can.
I once built a bed...I am not a furniture builder nor did I want to be...I just wanted to see if I could. It turned out pretty good...I was quite proud of myself.2 -
Maybe he just wanted to see if he could do it??? I doubt if it had anything to do with him trying to control overeating. If I remember correctly he is in his 60's. Something about aging makes you want to see if you can accomplish certain things. I have read that he has worked hard on getting and staying fit. I know that me being in my 60's I have some things in my bucket list that some of you might think is a little strange.
While I might not understand why fasting for 24 hours is important to him that doesn't nor should it take away from the fact the he feels as if he accomplished something. I have never felt the need to fast for religious reasons but I can respect that others do.
pierinifitness...congratulations on achieving what you wanted.
Ok, but why would he not be able to do it? He has never mentioned an insulin problem which would be the primary road block to a 24 hour fast.
If you are fasting for personal growth it is not to accomplish going without food it is to... well... grow which is why I asked the question. If it is to cultivate discipline what discipline was cultivated?
I don't know why he wanted to do it...it isn't any of my business nor my concern. All that I do know is that felt a certain amount of pride in accomplishing a 24 hour fast. If that gave him a certain amount of pride then I am certainly not going to deprive him of that. I don't think that what he did was dangerous so why would I try to minimize it.
BTW I would probably fail at a 24 hour fast...pretty sure that I would because it is nothing that I want to achieve.
It would not be any of my concern either except that he did decide to broadcast it on the internet which makes it fair game to ask questions.
You would not fail if you were required to do it for a medical reason. You would just see it through.
Sometimes people do things not because they have to or to even cultivate a discipline...they just do it because they want to see if they can.
I once built a bed...I am not a furniture builder nor did I want to be...I just wanted to see if I could. It turned out pretty good...I was quite proud of myself.
Ok but he specifically said it WAS to cultivate discipline.
I am not sure why we are having this conversation unless we are both just bored. He has always been able to speak for himself in the past.
I am going to a bed that I thankfully did not build as I do not wish to end up on the floor. Have a nice night, or day, depending on where you are.1 -
Thanks for your support and understanding @Annie_01, my MFP sexagenarian fitness sister from a different mister.
I was merely trying to share my personal experiences for the OP’s benefit who I judged was IF-curious and/or IF-enthused. Unfortunately, as is far too common here at MFP, there’s a lot of crossfire when IF comes up in discussions.
For anyone curious, I never had done a 24-hour fast because my fitness training is fairly challenging and I need to refuel. I have no medical issues that are common for someone my age. I take no meds.
Just finished eating and am well-fed. My feeding period after this 24-hour fast was 2 hours 6 minutes. My journal reports I ate 135 calories under maintenance. Again, I’m sharing for the benefit of the OP.
I believe when we share our personal experiences rather than naysay the experiences of others, more MFP members benefit. Perhaps I’m a little more transparent than some, it’s my cyberspace personality.
Here are my macros for today:
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There's a difference between 'challenging' and 'foolish'.
I often do things just to see if I can or to push myself beyond my self imposed limitations. I'll do things that are a challenge to prove to myself that I'm more resilient and stronger than I give myself credit for.
I would see a 24hr fast as falling into a challenge category. Generally speaking no one is going to suffer ill effects from a 24hr fast but, doing something like this could yield some very positive benefits psychologically. For example, many people talk about how they feel like they're a slave to their appetite and food. A 24hr fast could let them prove to themselves that they can take control and that being hungry for a short while isn't the end of the world. That, if they're strong enough to handle their hunger for 24hrs then waiting an hour or two until dinner will be a snap, instead of caving immediately and stopping off at fast food restaurant.
As long as you're not doing something that is inherently dangerous or foolish then I see no problem with doing things that prove to yourself that you're stronger than you think you are and I see no issue with being proud of this.6 -
pierinifitness wrote: »Thanks for your support and understanding @Annie_01, my MFP sexagenarian fitness sister from a different mister.
I was merely trying to share my personal experiences for the OP’s benefit who I judged was IF-curious and/or IF-enthused. Unfortunately, as is far too common here at MFP, there’s a lot of crossfire when IF comes up in discussions.
For anyone curious, I never had done a 24-hour fast because my fitness training is fairly challenging and I need to refuel. I have no medical issues that are common for someone my age. I take no meds.
Just finished eating and am well-fed. My feeding period after this 24-hour fast was 2 hours 6 minutes. My journal reports I ate 135 calories under maintenance. Again, I’m sharing for the benefit of the OP.
I believe when we share our personal experiences rather than naysay the experiences of others, more MFP members benefit. Perhaps I’m a little more transparent than some, it’s my cyberspace personality.
Here are my macros for today:
Maybe it's just me but I'm confused. Exactly what is it that you seem to be patting yourself on the back for? The ability to eat a lot, or the ability to not eat? Neither seems like a very worthwhile accomplishment to me.4 -
I'm on a modified IF/Booze routine that's been working really well for me. It seems most people skip breakfast and do an 16:8 starting at noon or so. For me, I have breakfast at 7:00 around 600 cals, Lunch at 12:30, again 600 cals. After work around 5:00 pm I exercise for an hour. Then once at home around 7:00 I have 300 calories of booze.
That's about 1500 for the day. After coming home and relaxing with some booze, it's now 8:00 pm, I'm super relaxed and I just sort of head toward getting ready for bed and going to sleep.
I would say the only hunger I ever feel is around 11:30 am - 12:30 pm, sometimes I'm really looking forward to lunch, other than that....it works, no hunger pangs or urges to binge.2 -
There's a difference between 'challenging' and 'foolish'.
I often do things just to see if I can or to push myself beyond my self imposed limitations. I'll do things that are a challenge to prove to myself that I'm more resilient and stronger than I give myself credit for.
I would see a 24hr fast as falling into a challenge category. Generally speaking no one is going to suffer ill effects from a 24hr fast but, doing something like this could yield some very positive benefits psychologically. For example, many people talk about how they feel like they're a slave to their appetite and food. A 24hr fast could let them prove to themselves that they can take control and that being hungry for a short while isn't the end of the world. That, if they're strong enough to handle their hunger for 24hrs then waiting an hour or two until dinner will be a snap, instead of caving immediately and stopping off at fast food restaurant.
As long as you're not doing something that is inherently dangerous or foolish then I see no problem with doing things that prove to yourself that you're stronger than you think you are and I see no issue with being proud of this.
I don't invest much time in pride so being proud of something I consider ordinary is confusing to me. Also, while I understand fasting for personal growth this idea of fasting for the sake of fasting/pridefulness is foreign to me.
The internet waters everything down. To me full fasting is a time of quiet reflection/meditation/prayer (if you believe in it). I can't even imagine ending it with the word "bullseye". To each their own I suppose.
Staying on topic though... If whatever the guy's name is fasted for 24 hours and still exercised it could be considered foolish. I usually recommend that a person not even drive if it is their first time because it can have a adverse effect on a small number of people. I am not sure how he spent his 24 hour period though.
I am not even sure that is on topic. The OP asked about intermittent fasting whereas full fasting is to my knowledge not one of the IF/TRE protocols.
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pierinifitness wrote: »With over one year of consecutive IF’ing it, I’ve never done a 24 hour fast until today with this bullseye!
For me, IF is a lifestyle and discipline cultivator.
Exactly.
So for me eating within a window (2 regular meals) or eating my 3 meals and not snacking are both equally easy (and they were easy, which is why I picked that means to control my cals). For a long period of time I never went over except when I had pre-planned to.
Trying to eat at a deficit or even maintenance (say deficit cals of 1500 total, which I did easily when losing) on a day when I divide them into a bunch of snacks or mini meals would be very hard, since I would not feel as satisfied. So doing that would take much more discipline (which is why I didn't take that approach, I'd find it miserable).
Therefore, I would argue that in truth, for people like me (and most of those who like IF are likely more like me here), it would take MORE discipline to do the mini meals, no window, and that therefore doing that would be the true test of discipline and so-called "discipline cultivator."
If you think otherwise, how so?
I would argue that it makes more sense to pick a method that is not naturally harder for you.
I would also dispute the notion that there is one way (regardless of natural preferences) that inherently takes more discipline for all when both result in a consistent deficit of 500-1000 cals (or whatever) and consistent weight loss over a significant period of time. Yet what I am getting from this discussion from some (and why I think it comes across as a claim of superiority) is that eating 1500 cals daily for 6 months in 4 meals spread over 13 hours per day = undisciplined and easy, yet eating 1500 cals daily for 6 months in 2 meals spread over 6 hours per day = some huge feat of unprecedented discipline that makes you more morally virtuous.
As someone who has spent lots of my life not eating until noon (or at times, 2), and who never was a big late night eater, that claim just seems very bizarre. For many (or most?) of us, eating the same number of cals in a day in a shorter window is not harder (and therefore more "disciplined") than eating that same number of cals in a longer period of time in the same day. It might even seem easier (and less disciplined) because one could eat more carelessly, gorge oneself, or eat less nutrient dense and filling foods at dinner, depending on the person and the pattern chosen.
So why insist that the window you eat in builds discipline vs those slobs who choose other ways to control cals?4 -
There's a difference between 'challenging' and 'foolish'.
I often do things just to see if I can or to push myself beyond my self imposed limitations. I'll do things that are a challenge to prove to myself that I'm more resilient and stronger than I give myself credit for.
I would see a 24hr fast as falling into a challenge category. Generally speaking no one is going to suffer ill effects from a 24hr fast but, doing something like this could yield some very positive benefits psychologically. For example, many people talk about how they feel like they're a slave to their appetite and food. A 24hr fast could let them prove to themselves that they can take control and that being hungry for a short while isn't the end of the world. That, if they're strong enough to handle their hunger for 24hrs then waiting an hour or two until dinner will be a snap, instead of caving immediately and stopping off at fast food restaurant.
As long as you're not doing something that is inherently dangerous or foolish then I see no problem with doing things that prove to yourself that you're stronger than you think you are and I see no issue with being proud of this.
I don't invest much time in pride so being proud of something I consider ordinary is confusing to me. Also, while I understand fasting for personal growth this idea of fasting for the sake of fasting/pridefulness is foreign to me.
The internet waters everything down. To me full fasting is a time of quiet reflection/meditation/prayer (if you believe in it). I can't even imagine ending it with the word "bullseye". To each their own I suppose.
Staying on topic though... If whatever the guy's name is fasted for 24 hours and still exercised it could be considered foolish. I usually recommend that a person not even drive if it is their first time because it can have a adverse effect on a small number of people. I am not sure how he spent his 24 hour period though.
I am not even sure that is on topic. The OP asked about intermittent fasting whereas full fasting is to my knowledge not one of the IF/TRE protocols.
There is a 24 hour (1-2x per week) fasting protocol, the proponent claims the window approaches that are more common should be called intermittent eating, not IF, and that his is IF. The person who is behind it (Brad Pilon) is a pretty fit type, so I wouldn't think fitness or a workout schedule makes it that tough. I've tried it for fun on occasion although I find it kind of tough to fit in too.
Pilon says it's easy because you never fast a full day -- 24 hours means you can have breakfast and then eat again at breakfast the next day. The idea is that you otherwise eat at maintenance but the 24 hours 1-2x a week creates a deficit.1 -
Maybe it's my mood this morning, but...
I think pointing out that IF can be a slippery slope, especially for people with poor relationships with food, is definitely worth doing. It's a legit concern that people should be aware of.
I also think that doing any dietary approach, even a full fast, for 24hrs isn't going to do enough good nor bad to be meaningful in any way... so maybe we can back off the overblown criticism.
As with any approach, there are pros and cons... and any individual person will have to weigh those pros and cons for themselves. It is our job to inform people, not to influence them. IMO.3 -
pierinifitness wrote: »With over one year of consecutive IF’ing it, I’ve never done a 24 hour fast until today with this bullseye!
For me, IF is a lifestyle and discipline cultivator.
Exactly.
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I would also dispute the notion that there is one way (regardless of natural preferences) that inherently takes more discipline for all when both result in a consistent deficit of 500-1000 cals (or whatever) and consistent weight loss over a significant period of time. Yet what I am getting from this discussion from some (and why I think it comes across as a claim of superiority) is that eating 1500 cals daily for 6 months in 4 meals spread over 13 hours per day = undisciplined and easy, yet eating 1500 cals daily for 6 months in 2 meals spread over 6 hours per day = some huge feat of unprecedented discipline that makes you more morally virtuous.
As someone who has spent lots of my life not eating until noon (or at times, 2), and who never was a big late night eater, that claim just seems very bizarre. For many (or most?) of us, eating the same number of cals in a day in a shorter window is not harder (and therefore more "disciplined") than eating that same number of cals in a longer period of time in the same day. It might even seem easier (and less disciplined) because one could eat more carelessly, gorge oneself, or eat less nutrient dense and filling foods at dinner, depending on the person and the pattern chosen.
So why insist that the window you eat in builds discipline vs those slobs who choose other ways to control cals?
If you have taken any of my posts to mean that I am more superior, more morally virtuous or you have interpreted my words to mean that I think everyone else(if you don't do things my way) are slobs then I apologize. I certainly don't think those things nor meant to imply them.
I will go back and read my postings and if somehow I have unintentionally implied this then I will try to make amends.
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There's a difference between 'challenging' and 'foolish'.
I often do things just to see if I can or to push myself beyond my self imposed limitations. I'll do things that are a challenge to prove to myself that I'm more resilient and stronger than I give myself credit for.
I would see a 24hr fast as falling into a challenge category. Generally speaking no one is going to suffer ill effects from a 24hr fast but, doing something like this could yield some very positive benefits psychologically. For example, many people talk about how they feel like they're a slave to their appetite and food. A 24hr fast could let them prove to themselves that they can take control and that being hungry for a short while isn't the end of the world. That, if they're strong enough to handle their hunger for 24hrs then waiting an hour or two until dinner will be a snap, instead of caving immediately and stopping off at fast food restaurant.
As long as you're not doing something that is inherently dangerous or foolish then I see no problem with doing things that prove to yourself that you're stronger than you think you are and I see no issue with being proud of this.
I don't invest much time in pride so being proud of something I consider ordinary is confusing to me. Also, while I understand fasting for personal growth this idea of fasting for the sake of fasting/pridefulness is foreign to me.
The internet waters everything down. To me full fasting is a time of quiet reflection/meditation/prayer (if you believe in it). I can't even imagine ending it with the word "bullseye". To each their own I suppose.
Staying on topic though... If whatever the guy's name is fasted for 24 hours and still exercised it could be considered foolish. I usually recommend that a person not even drive if it is their first time because it can have a adverse effect on a small number of people. I am not sure how he spent his 24 hour period though.
I am not even sure that is on topic. The OP asked about intermittent fasting whereas full fasting is to my knowledge not one of the IF/TRE protocols.
There is a 24 hour (1-2x per week) fasting protocol, the proponent claims the window approaches that are more common should be called intermittent eating, not IF, and that his is IF. The person who is behind it (Brad Pilon) is a pretty fit type, so I wouldn't think fitness or a workout schedule makes it that tough. I've tried it for fun on occasion although I find it kind of tough to fit in too.
Pilon says it's easy because you never fast a full day -- 24 hours means you can have breakfast and then eat again at breakfast the next day. The idea is that you otherwise eat at maintenance but the 24 hours 1-2x a week creates a deficit.
I don't think it is tough. I believe up-thread I admitted that I have even accidentally done it a few times. I have known people though that physically had a bad reaction to trying it so I do caution people to basically stay home if they are going to attempt it for their first time.
Intermittent eating? When is someone going to intermittent read a thesaurus and pick a new word?2 -
pierinifitness wrote: »Thanks for your support and understanding @Annie_01, my MFP sexagenarian fitness sister from a different mister.
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Something sounds weirdly strange about that...but okay.
You have this habit of posting annoying messages that get under people's skin. I think you can't help yourself. Your enthusiasm can be a little over-bearing at times. You once annoyed me...tremendously. It took me a while to realize that the problem was not with you but with myself...
Eleanor Roosevelt once wrote..."No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.".
Also at the end of the day...It is not about what anyone else has done...it is about how I responded.
You actually remind me of "Woolwoman". Woolwoman is a cranky, gripey and rude poster from another site that I sometimes frequent. Nobody could stand her. These people were basically good people but they had somehow fallen into that "gang mentality" and jumped on her at every chance. I decided I would "kill her with kindness"...didn't work but I felt better about myself and my responses. I took the heat though...being kind to her caused everyone to turn and come after me. I expected it. It was as if..."How dare you be kind to someone we all find annoying?".
Then there was the preacher's wife...she was so bad that she made people cry! "Killing her with kindness" worked however.
I know...this post is off topic...I apologize...but...this just was calling for me to respond.
my MFP sexagenarian fitness sister from a different mister
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No need to apologize to me @Annie_01 but my apologies to you for staying something you judge as weirdly strange. I think it's time to move on. I believe we've "scared" the OP away. Enjoy your day.1
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pierinifitness wrote: »No need to apologize to me @Annie_01 but my apologies to you for staying something you judge as weirdly strange. I think it's time to move on. I believe we've "scared" the OP away. Enjoy your day.
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pierinifitness wrote: »With over one year of consecutive IF’ing it, I’ve never done a 24 hour fast until today with this bullseye!
For me, IF is a lifestyle and discipline cultivator.
Exactly.
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I would also dispute the notion that there is one way (regardless of natural preferences) that inherently takes more discipline for all when both result in a consistent deficit of 500-1000 cals (or whatever) and consistent weight loss over a significant period of time. Yet what I am getting from this discussion from some (and why I think it comes across as a claim of superiority) is that eating 1500 cals daily for 6 months in 4 meals spread over 13 hours per day = undisciplined and easy, yet eating 1500 cals daily for 6 months in 2 meals spread over 6 hours per day = some huge feat of unprecedented discipline that makes you more morally virtuous.
As someone who has spent lots of my life not eating until noon (or at times, 2), and who never was a big late night eater, that claim just seems very bizarre. For many (or most?) of us, eating the same number of cals in a day in a shorter window is not harder (and therefore more "disciplined") than eating that same number of cals in a longer period of time in the same day. It might even seem easier (and less disciplined) because one could eat more carelessly, gorge oneself, or eat less nutrient dense and filling foods at dinner, depending on the person and the pattern chosen.
So why insist that the window you eat in builds discipline vs those slobs who choose other ways to control cals?
If you have taken any of my posts to mean that I am more superior, more morally virtuous or you have interpreted my words to mean that I think everyone else(if you don't do things my way) are slobs then I apologize. I certainly don't think those things nor meant to imply them.
I will go back and read my postings and if somehow I have unintentionally implied this then I will try to make amends.
I was not referring to your posts (and not sure why you'd think I was, but be assured I was not). I pretty much agree with what you've posted, especially early in the thread.1 -
There's a difference between 'challenging' and 'foolish'.
I often do things just to see if I can or to push myself beyond my self imposed limitations. I'll do things that are a challenge to prove to myself that I'm more resilient and stronger than I give myself credit for.
I would see a 24hr fast as falling into a challenge category. Generally speaking no one is going to suffer ill effects from a 24hr fast but, doing something like this could yield some very positive benefits psychologically. For example, many people talk about how they feel like they're a slave to their appetite and food. A 24hr fast could let them prove to themselves that they can take control and that being hungry for a short while isn't the end of the world. That, if they're strong enough to handle their hunger for 24hrs then waiting an hour or two until dinner will be a snap, instead of caving immediately and stopping off at fast food restaurant.
As long as you're not doing something that is inherently dangerous or foolish then I see no problem with doing things that prove to yourself that you're stronger than you think you are and I see no issue with being proud of this.
I don't invest much time in pride so being proud of something I consider ordinary is confusing to me. Also, while I understand fasting for personal growth this idea of fasting for the sake of fasting/pridefulness is foreign to me.
The internet waters everything down. To me full fasting is a time of quiet reflection/meditation/prayer (if you believe in it). I can't even imagine ending it with the word "bullseye". To each their own I suppose.
Staying on topic though... If whatever the guy's name is fasted for 24 hours and still exercised it could be considered foolish. I usually recommend that a person not even drive if it is their first time because it can have a adverse effect on a small number of people. I am not sure how he spent his 24 hour period though.
I am not even sure that is on topic. The OP asked about intermittent fasting whereas full fasting is to my knowledge not one of the IF/TRE protocols.
There is a 24 hour (1-2x per week) fasting protocol, the proponent claims the window approaches that are more common should be called intermittent eating, not IF, and that his is IF. The person who is behind it (Brad Pilon) is a pretty fit type, so I wouldn't think fitness or a workout schedule makes it that tough. I've tried it for fun on occasion although I find it kind of tough to fit in too.
Pilon says it's easy because you never fast a full day -- 24 hours means you can have breakfast and then eat again at breakfast the next day. The idea is that you otherwise eat at maintenance but the 24 hours 1-2x a week creates a deficit.
I don't think it is tough. I believe up-thread I admitted that I have even accidentally done it a few times. I have known people though that physically had a bad reaction to trying it so I do caution people to basically stay home if they are going to attempt it for their first time.
Intermittent eating? When is someone going to intermittent read a thesaurus and pick a new word?
His point, and I think it might be more jokey, is that if you are mostly fasting and only eating during a short period each day it's more intermittent eating than IF. A fast or 2/week is in his argument IF. (I think TRE avoids all this if skipping breakfast or not eating after dinner isn't good enough for people!)0 -
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