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  • MakateesMakatees Posts: 30Member Member Posts: 30Member Member
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    Okay, so I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for 3 and a half months, and I found it to be nothing short of miraculous. Calorie restricting does not work for me. I don’t do Keto but I don’t go overboard on carbs either. I fast super clean. Water and black coffee. That’s it.
    Believe me, I have tried just about every diet in existence and nothing was working. Since starting IF 3 1/2 months ago I have lost 8.4 kg!!
    I have also found that my skin is so much softer, and all the little bumps on my upper arms have disappeared.
    Acid reflux has disappeared. Are used to have to sleep elevated for years, and I can now sleep flat and haven’t had a single acid reflux attack four months.
    Plantar fasciitis has gone suddenly after years of suffering. This all cannot be a councidence!
    I eat whatever I want in a 2 to 4 hr window and do not count calories or weigh food. I also often do 42 hr fasts. Obviously I’ll make healthy choices but I do have the old glass of wine and occasionally dessert if I feel like it. Oh and I haven’t been exercising much because of an injury. Just walking.
    Read the Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung. He explains the science behind it.

    If IF works for you, then that's great, but its not a miracle, and there is a very obvious reason why it worked. You lost weight because IF helped you restrict calories. The only reason you lost weight is because you were in a calorie deficit. The benefits you noted with reduction in acid reflux and plantar fasciitis are not coincidental, they are easily explained by the fact that you lost weight. Jason Fung doesn't explain any science behind anything, he gives his own unsubstantiated claims as to why he thinks it works. He is a woo peddler to the highest degree, and he does it because it helps him to sell books.

    This! So it looks like @Makatees , calorie restriction *does* work for you.

    Just like every other person on the planet. ;)

    The only thing I can’t figure out was why I couldn’t lose weight while on 1200 cals doing several small meals a day. I tried tweaking it around to eat more as well, tried 1400 and 1600. I even tried 800 against MFP’s guidelines. I might track for a few days just out of interest to see how many cals I consume in a day. It’ll make an interesting comparison.

    because you were eating more than you thought. which is easy to do. it doesn't have to be a lot. an extra 50cals here and there quickly add up

    I find that home cooked meals are really hard to track. I make almost everything from scratch. Ugh! Try adding lots of ingredients together in a recipe and work out exactly how much you’ve put on your plate. 😝
    Today I tracked my food for interest, 1350 cals. Pretty average day I would say and this morning the scale shows 9.6kg loss in 3,5 months so I’m doing a happy dance!
  • MakateesMakatees Posts: 30Member Member Posts: 30Member Member
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    Okay, so I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for 3 and a half months, and I found it to be nothing short of miraculous. Calorie restricting does not work for me. I don’t do Keto but I don’t go overboard on carbs either. I fast super clean. Water and black coffee. That’s it.
    Believe me, I have tried just about every diet in existence and nothing was working. Since starting IF 3 1/2 months ago I have lost 8.4 kg!!
    I have also found that my skin is so much softer, and all the little bumps on my upper arms have disappeared.
    Acid reflux has disappeared. Are used to have to sleep elevated for years, and I can now sleep flat and haven’t had a single acid reflux attack four months.
    Plantar fasciitis has gone suddenly after years of suffering. This all cannot be a councidence!
    I eat whatever I want in a 2 to 4 hr window and do not count calories or weigh food. I also often do 42 hr fasts. Obviously I’ll make healthy choices but I do have the old glass of wine and occasionally dessert if I feel like it. Oh and I haven’t been exercising much because of an injury. Just walking.
    Read the Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung. He explains the science behind it.

    If IF works for you, then that's great, but its not a miracle, and there is a very obvious reason why it worked. You lost weight because IF helped you restrict calories. The only reason you lost weight is because you were in a calorie deficit. The benefits you noted with reduction in acid reflux and plantar fasciitis are not coincidental, they are easily explained by the fact that you lost weight. Jason Fung doesn't explain any science behind anything, he gives his own unsubstantiated claims as to why he thinks it works. He is a woo peddler to the highest degree, and he does it because it helps him to sell books.

    This! So it looks like @Makatees , calorie restriction *does* work for you.

    Just like every other person on the planet. ;)

    The only thing I can’t figure out was why I couldn’t lose weight while on 1200 cals doing several small meals a day. I tried tweaking it around to eat more as well, tried 1400 and 1600. I even tried 800 against MFP’s guidelines. I might track for a few days just out of interest to see how many cals I consume in a day. It’ll make an interesting comparison.

    With all due respect, I absolutely refuse to believe that you couldn't lose weight on 800 calories a day, and to be honest, that was a foolish thing to even try. That is so few calories, that I would imagine that you would naturally be fasting for most of the day no matter how you tried to space those calories out. I will take it a step further. I refuse to believe you can't lose on 1200 calories a day regardless of when(or what) you eat. The fact that you seemed to jump all over the place with the amount you were eating leads me to believe that you weren't patient enough to stick with a goal long enough to see results. The amount of people on here that claim they can't lose weight on 1200 calories a day is absurd. I guarantee you these people didn't gain weight eating 1300 calories a day. I'm sure for most people their weight gain was a gradual process that took quite some time, yet when it comes to losing that weight, if people don't see results immediately, then suddenly CICO doesn't apply to them.

    All I know is I have lost 9,6kg in 3.5 months and 6-8kg to goal, so who knows why I couldn’t lose before. Who cares? Not me, I’m just going to keep doing what I’m doing. Happy days and thx for the debate! 😊
  • deannalfisherdeannalfisher Posts: 5,197Member, Premium Member Posts: 5,197Member, Premium Member
    Makatees wrote: »
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    Okay, so I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for 3 and a half months, and I found it to be nothing short of miraculous. Calorie restricting does not work for me. I don’t do Keto but I don’t go overboard on carbs either. I fast super clean. Water and black coffee. That’s it.
    Believe me, I have tried just about every diet in existence and nothing was working. Since starting IF 3 1/2 months ago I have lost 8.4 kg!!
    I have also found that my skin is so much softer, and all the little bumps on my upper arms have disappeared.
    Acid reflux has disappeared. Are used to have to sleep elevated for years, and I can now sleep flat and haven’t had a single acid reflux attack four months.
    Plantar fasciitis has gone suddenly after years of suffering. This all cannot be a councidence!
    I eat whatever I want in a 2 to 4 hr window and do not count calories or weigh food. I also often do 42 hr fasts. Obviously I’ll make healthy choices but I do have the old glass of wine and occasionally dessert if I feel like it. Oh and I haven’t been exercising much because of an injury. Just walking.
    Read the Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung. He explains the science behind it.

    If IF works for you, then that's great, but its not a miracle, and there is a very obvious reason why it worked. You lost weight because IF helped you restrict calories. The only reason you lost weight is because you were in a calorie deficit. The benefits you noted with reduction in acid reflux and plantar fasciitis are not coincidental, they are easily explained by the fact that you lost weight. Jason Fung doesn't explain any science behind anything, he gives his own unsubstantiated claims as to why he thinks it works. He is a woo peddler to the highest degree, and he does it because it helps him to sell books.

    This! So it looks like @Makatees , calorie restriction *does* work for you.

    Just like every other person on the planet. ;)

    The only thing I can’t figure out was why I couldn’t lose weight while on 1200 cals doing several small meals a day. I tried tweaking it around to eat more as well, tried 1400 and 1600. I even tried 800 against MFP’s guidelines. I might track for a few days just out of interest to see how many cals I consume in a day. It’ll make an interesting comparison.

    because you were eating more than you thought. which is easy to do. it doesn't have to be a lot. an extra 50cals here and there quickly add up

    I find that home cooked meals are really hard to track. I make almost everything from scratch. Ugh! Try adding lots of ingredients together in a recipe and work out exactly how much you’ve put on your plate. 😝
    Today I tracked my food for interest, 1350 cals. Pretty average day I would say and this morning the scale shows 9.6kg loss in 3,5 months so I’m doing a happy dance!

    its easy - build a recipe (use raw ingredients), make servings equal to total weight prepared (i.e. 100oz) then when you weigh out - log that weight as a serving - so if you eat 10oz, you log 10 servings
  • PWHFPWHF Posts: 211Member, Premium Member Posts: 211Member, Premium Member
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    Okay, so I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for 3 and a half months, and I found it to be nothing short of miraculous. Calorie restricting does not work for me. I don’t do Keto but I don’t go overboard on carbs either. I fast super clean. Water and black coffee. That’s it.
    Believe me, I have tried just about every diet in existence and nothing was working. Since starting IF 3 1/2 months ago I have lost 8.4 kg!!
    I have also found that my skin is so much softer, and all the little bumps on my upper arms have disappeared.
    Acid reflux has disappeared. Are used to have to sleep elevated for years, and I can now sleep flat and haven’t had a single acid reflux attack four months.
    Plantar fasciitis has gone suddenly after years of suffering. This all cannot be a councidence!
    I eat whatever I want in a 2 to 4 hr window and do not count calories or weigh food. I also often do 42 hr fasts. Obviously I’ll make healthy choices but I do have the old glass of wine and occasionally dessert if I feel like it. Oh and I haven’t been exercising much because of an injury. Just walking.
    Read the Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung. He explains the science behind it.

    If IF works for you, then that's great, but its not a miracle, and there is a very obvious reason why it worked. You lost weight because IF helped you restrict calories. The only reason you lost weight is because you were in a calorie deficit. The benefits you noted with reduction in acid reflux and plantar fasciitis are not coincidental, they are easily explained by the fact that you lost weight. Jason Fung doesn't explain any science behind anything, he gives his own unsubstantiated claims as to why he thinks it works. He is a woo peddler to the highest degree, and he does it because it helps him to sell books.

    This! So it looks like @Makatees , calorie restriction *does* work for you.

    Just like every other person on the planet. ;)

    The only thing I can’t figure out was why I couldn’t lose weight while on 1200 cals doing several small meals a day. I tried tweaking it around to eat more as well, tried 1400 and 1600. I even tried 800 against MFP’s guidelines. I might track for a few days just out of interest to see how many cals I consume in a day. It’ll make an interesting comparison.

    With all due respect, I absolutely refuse to believe that you couldn't lose weight on 800 calories a day, and to be honest, that was a foolish thing to even try. That is so few calories, that I would imagine that you would naturally be fasting for most of the day no matter how you tried to space those calories out. I will take it a step further. I refuse to believe you can't lose on 1200 calories a day regardless of when(or what) you eat. The fact that you seemed to jump all over the place with the amount you were eating leads me to believe that you weren't patient enough to stick with a goal long enough to see results. The amount of people on here that claim they can't lose weight on 1200 calories a day is absurd. I guarantee you these people didn't gain weight eating 1300 calories a day. I'm sure for most people their weight gain was a gradual process that took quite some time, yet when it comes to losing that weight, if people don't see results immediately, then suddenly CICO doesn't apply to them.

    All I know is I have lost 9,6kg in 3.5 months and 6-8kg to goal, so who knows why I couldn’t lose before. Who cares? Not me, I’m just going to keep doing what I’m doing. Happy days and thx for the debate! 😊

    Good on you - glad you found what works and stuck to it. I don't buy the whole 'IF is just calorie restriction arguement'. I stick to my calories and macros and am still burning fat on a surplus of +500/day for training days and +100 for rest days. Lifts going up, inches on the waistline going down. I'm doing 16:8, fasted workouts and staying fasted for a good 6 hours or so after lifting.

    Glad I found what works for me and I'm sticking to it :smile:
  • heybalesheybales Posts: 17,126Member Member Posts: 17,126Member Member
    PWHF wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    Okay, so I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for 3 and a half months, and I found it to be nothing short of miraculous. Calorie restricting does not work for me. I don’t do Keto but I don’t go overboard on carbs either. I fast super clean. Water and black coffee. That’s it.
    Believe me, I have tried just about every diet in existence and nothing was working. Since starting IF 3 1/2 months ago I have lost 8.4 kg!!
    I have also found that my skin is so much softer, and all the little bumps on my upper arms have disappeared.
    Acid reflux has disappeared. Are used to have to sleep elevated for years, and I can now sleep flat and haven’t had a single acid reflux attack four months.
    Plantar fasciitis has gone suddenly after years of suffering. This all cannot be a councidence!
    I eat whatever I want in a 2 to 4 hr window and do not count calories or weigh food. I also often do 42 hr fasts. Obviously I’ll make healthy choices but I do have the old glass of wine and occasionally dessert if I feel like it. Oh and I haven’t been exercising much because of an injury. Just walking.
    Read the Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung. He explains the science behind it.

    If IF works for you, then that's great, but its not a miracle, and there is a very obvious reason why it worked. You lost weight because IF helped you restrict calories. The only reason you lost weight is because you were in a calorie deficit. The benefits you noted with reduction in acid reflux and plantar fasciitis are not coincidental, they are easily explained by the fact that you lost weight. Jason Fung doesn't explain any science behind anything, he gives his own unsubstantiated claims as to why he thinks it works. He is a woo peddler to the highest degree, and he does it because it helps him to sell books.

    This! So it looks like @Makatees , calorie restriction *does* work for you.

    Just like every other person on the planet. ;)

    The only thing I can’t figure out was why I couldn’t lose weight while on 1200 cals doing several small meals a day. I tried tweaking it around to eat more as well, tried 1400 and 1600. I even tried 800 against MFP’s guidelines. I might track for a few days just out of interest to see how many cals I consume in a day. It’ll make an interesting comparison.

    With all due respect, I absolutely refuse to believe that you couldn't lose weight on 800 calories a day, and to be honest, that was a foolish thing to even try. That is so few calories, that I would imagine that you would naturally be fasting for most of the day no matter how you tried to space those calories out. I will take it a step further. I refuse to believe you can't lose on 1200 calories a day regardless of when(or what) you eat. The fact that you seemed to jump all over the place with the amount you were eating leads me to believe that you weren't patient enough to stick with a goal long enough to see results. The amount of people on here that claim they can't lose weight on 1200 calories a day is absurd. I guarantee you these people didn't gain weight eating 1300 calories a day. I'm sure for most people their weight gain was a gradual process that took quite some time, yet when it comes to losing that weight, if people don't see results immediately, then suddenly CICO doesn't apply to them.

    All I know is I have lost 9,6kg in 3.5 months and 6-8kg to goal, so who knows why I couldn’t lose before. Who cares? Not me, I’m just going to keep doing what I’m doing. Happy days and thx for the debate! 😊

    Good on you - glad you found what works and stuck to it. I don't buy the whole 'IF is just calorie restriction arguement'. I stick to my calories and macros and am still burning fat on a surplus of +500/day for training days and +100 for rest days. Lifts going up, inches on the waistline going down. I'm doing 16:8, fasted workouts and staying fasted for a good 6 hours or so after lifting.

    Glad I found what works for me and I'm sticking to it :smile:

    If you're losing weight, you are not in surplus, with the possible very rare exception of losing muscle and gaining fat, or some water manipulation.
    Saying you're at +100 or +500 calorie surplus means you are taking in more calories than your body is using and storing them.

    Well, he did say losing fat inches, not weight.

    While that does sound like a large surplus to only be adding muscle, overall surplus may not be that great and if hitting the max muscle gains for a great aged male with good hormones and starting out lifting - in theory right on the line.
    Then again there is likely some fat being added somewhere not measured yet.
  • PWHFPWHF Posts: 211Member, Premium Member Posts: 211Member, Premium Member
    PWHF wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    Okay, so I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for 3 and a half months, and I found it to be nothing short of miraculous. Calorie restricting does not work for me. I don’t do Keto but I don’t go overboard on carbs either. I fast super clean. Water and black coffee. That’s it.
    Believe me, I have tried just about every diet in existence and nothing was working. Since starting IF 3 1/2 months ago I have lost 8.4 kg!!
    I have also found that my skin is so much softer, and all the little bumps on my upper arms have disappeared.
    Acid reflux has disappeared. Are used to have to sleep elevated for years, and I can now sleep flat and haven’t had a single acid reflux attack four months.
    Plantar fasciitis has gone suddenly after years of suffering. This all cannot be a councidence!
    I eat whatever I want in a 2 to 4 hr window and do not count calories or weigh food. I also often do 42 hr fasts. Obviously I’ll make healthy choices but I do have the old glass of wine and occasionally dessert if I feel like it. Oh and I haven’t been exercising much because of an injury. Just walking.
    Read the Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung. He explains the science behind it.

    If IF works for you, then that's great, but its not a miracle, and there is a very obvious reason why it worked. You lost weight because IF helped you restrict calories. The only reason you lost weight is because you were in a calorie deficit. The benefits you noted with reduction in acid reflux and plantar fasciitis are not coincidental, they are easily explained by the fact that you lost weight. Jason Fung doesn't explain any science behind anything, he gives his own unsubstantiated claims as to why he thinks it works. He is a woo peddler to the highest degree, and he does it because it helps him to sell books.

    This! So it looks like @Makatees , calorie restriction *does* work for you.

    Just like every other person on the planet. ;)

    The only thing I can’t figure out was why I couldn’t lose weight while on 1200 cals doing several small meals a day. I tried tweaking it around to eat more as well, tried 1400 and 1600. I even tried 800 against MFP’s guidelines. I might track for a few days just out of interest to see how many cals I consume in a day. It’ll make an interesting comparison.

    With all due respect, I absolutely refuse to believe that you couldn't lose weight on 800 calories a day, and to be honest, that was a foolish thing to even try. That is so few calories, that I would imagine that you would naturally be fasting for most of the day no matter how you tried to space those calories out. I will take it a step further. I refuse to believe you can't lose on 1200 calories a day regardless of when(or what) you eat. The fact that you seemed to jump all over the place with the amount you were eating leads me to believe that you weren't patient enough to stick with a goal long enough to see results. The amount of people on here that claim they can't lose weight on 1200 calories a day is absurd. I guarantee you these people didn't gain weight eating 1300 calories a day. I'm sure for most people their weight gain was a gradual process that took quite some time, yet when it comes to losing that weight, if people don't see results immediately, then suddenly CICO doesn't apply to them.

    All I know is I have lost 9,6kg in 3.5 months and 6-8kg to goal, so who knows why I couldn’t lose before. Who cares? Not me, I’m just going to keep doing what I’m doing. Happy days and thx for the debate! 😊

    Good on you - glad you found what works and stuck to it. I don't buy the whole 'IF is just calorie restriction arguement'. I stick to my calories and macros and am still burning fat on a surplus of +500/day for training days and +100 for rest days. Lifts going up, inches on the waistline going down. I'm doing 16:8, fasted workouts and staying fasted for a good 6 hours or so after lifting.

    Glad I found what works for me and I'm sticking to it :smile:

    If you're losing weight, you are not in surplus, with the possible very rare exception of losing muscle and gaining fat, or some water manipulation.
    Saying you're at +100 or +500 calorie surplus means you are taking in more calories than your body is using and storing them.

    I'm gaining weight and hitting PRs, I know my maintenance numbers and have added bulk macros accordingly. Been doing this 3 years.

    I'm doing a super clean/lean bulk with 16:8 IF. I reckon the fasted workouts and post workout fasting (with bcaa) is probably burning a bit of fat.
  • PWHFPWHF Posts: 211Member, Premium Member Posts: 211Member, Premium Member
    PWHF wrote: »
    PWHF wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    Makatees wrote: »
    Okay, so I’ve been doing intermittent fasting for 3 and a half months, and I found it to be nothing short of miraculous. Calorie restricting does not work for me. I don’t do Keto but I don’t go overboard on carbs either. I fast super clean. Water and black coffee. That’s it.
    Believe me, I have tried just about every diet in existence and nothing was working. Since starting IF 3 1/2 months ago I have lost 8.4 kg!!
    I have also found that my skin is so much softer, and all the little bumps on my upper arms have disappeared.
    Acid reflux has disappeared. Are used to have to sleep elevated for years, and I can now sleep flat and haven’t had a single acid reflux attack four months.
    Plantar fasciitis has gone suddenly after years of suffering. This all cannot be a councidence!
    I eat whatever I want in a 2 to 4 hr window and do not count calories or weigh food. I also often do 42 hr fasts. Obviously I’ll make healthy choices but I do have the old glass of wine and occasionally dessert if I feel like it. Oh and I haven’t been exercising much because of an injury. Just walking.
    Read the Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung. He explains the science behind it.

    If IF works for you, then that's great, but its not a miracle, and there is a very obvious reason why it worked. You lost weight because IF helped you restrict calories. The only reason you lost weight is because you were in a calorie deficit. The benefits you noted with reduction in acid reflux and plantar fasciitis are not coincidental, they are easily explained by the fact that you lost weight. Jason Fung doesn't explain any science behind anything, he gives his own unsubstantiated claims as to why he thinks it works. He is a woo peddler to the highest degree, and he does it because it helps him to sell books.

    This! So it looks like @Makatees , calorie restriction *does* work for you.

    Just like every other person on the planet. ;)

    The only thing I can’t figure out was why I couldn’t lose weight while on 1200 cals doing several small meals a day. I tried tweaking it around to eat more as well, tried 1400 and 1600. I even tried 800 against MFP’s guidelines. I might track for a few days just out of interest to see how many cals I consume in a day. It’ll make an interesting comparison.

    With all due respect, I absolutely refuse to believe that you couldn't lose weight on 800 calories a day, and to be honest, that was a foolish thing to even try. That is so few calories, that I would imagine that you would naturally be fasting for most of the day no matter how you tried to space those calories out. I will take it a step further. I refuse to believe you can't lose on 1200 calories a day regardless of when(or what) you eat. The fact that you seemed to jump all over the place with the amount you were eating leads me to believe that you weren't patient enough to stick with a goal long enough to see results. The amount of people on here that claim they can't lose weight on 1200 calories a day is absurd. I guarantee you these people didn't gain weight eating 1300 calories a day. I'm sure for most people their weight gain was a gradual process that took quite some time, yet when it comes to losing that weight, if people don't see results immediately, then suddenly CICO doesn't apply to them.

    All I know is I have lost 9,6kg in 3.5 months and 6-8kg to goal, so who knows why I couldn’t lose before. Who cares? Not me, I’m just going to keep doing what I’m doing. Happy days and thx for the debate! 😊

    Good on you - glad you found what works and stuck to it. I don't buy the whole 'IF is just calorie restriction arguement'. I stick to my calories and macros and am still burning fat on a surplus of +500/day for training days and +100 for rest days. Lifts going up, inches on the waistline going down. I'm doing 16:8, fasted workouts and staying fasted for a good 6 hours or so after lifting.

    Glad I found what works for me and I'm sticking to it :smile:

    If you're losing weight, you are not in surplus, with the possible very rare exception of losing muscle and gaining fat, or some water manipulation.
    Saying you're at +100 or +500 calorie surplus means you are taking in more calories than your body is using and storing them.

    I'm gaining weight and hitting PRs, I know my maintenance numbers and have added bulk macros accordingly. Been doing this 3 years.

    I'm doing a super clean/lean bulk with 16:8 IF. I reckon the fasted workouts and post workout fasting (with bcaa) is probably burning a bit of fat.
    If you're at 3 years of training and you're eating at a surplus, you almost certainly aren't gaining just muscle when gaining weight. I'll conservatively guess you're on 3 training days, so your weekly surplus is 1900 calories, if you are actually at the surplus you are claiming you are at. A pound of muscle is estimated to be 600 to 900 calories worth of storage. You also say you're losing fat stores. Even using the largest numbers for muscle, you're saying you're gaining over 2 pounds of muscle a week. Sure, that's possible, but not without endogenous chemistry.

    I'm certainly not gaining 2 lb of muscle a week - never said (or 'claimed' as you put it) that, the weight gain is actually quite slow. I'm also doing cardio/abs (fasted) on rest days and martial arts (fairly cardio intensive) 1 day a week. Also only recently switched to bulking so may be a bit of adjusting going on.

    I don't think this can be so simplified with numbers, there are definitely other factors which IF certainly aims to exploit such as workout recovery in a fasted state then loading up on bulk number calories in an 8 hour window. There will probably be some fat gain in the coming months of bulking but IF will make it minimal which is why I like it and it works for me. This isn't my first IF bulk either. It works and there is social proof to show that (Leangains/Kinobody).

    If it stops working for me I'll stop doing it.
    edited October 23
  • mbaker566mbaker566 Posts: 10,181Member Member Posts: 10,181Member Member
    good information @jmf522 but 1 is unnecessary to lose weight
  • PWHFPWHF Posts: 211Member, Premium Member Posts: 211Member, Premium Member
    mbaker566 wrote: »
    good information @jmf522 but 1 is unnecessary to lose weight

    In a sense of CICO that's true. I think fat loss/weight loss has degrees of effectiveness depending on how extreme one takes it. You can do a CICO deficit with no attention to macros and no exercise and lose weight (not necessarily fat) or you could do what professional bodybuilders do preparing for a competition when they want to get down to 6-7% body fat. Are you going to tell a pro body builder to 'just eat less than you burn - that's it!'?

    It all depends on what you want and where you are at in your journey, personally I'm eating more than I burn to gain muscle and minimise fat gain, that takes a bit of tweaking - what's the simplified 'that's it!' recommendation for doing that?
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