Plant Paradox Help
JordanS9592
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I am reading the book, and the ideas make a lot of sense, but i have tried and failed to stay away from the bad foods list on this diet because it takes time to prepare the right foods. Also, I am having a really hard time staying full. Any tips on how to stay full and save time preparing food on the plant paradox system would be greatly appreciated.
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If you are trying to lose weight, all you need is to consistently be in a calorie deficit. You don’t need to follow any named diet. Named diets do not cause weight loss unless you are also in a calorie deficit.
Gundry’s book is generally considered to be pseudoscientific quackery.8 -
Not familiar with that book. Most people find some combo of protein, fat, and fiber will keep them full. Can you get enough of those three things eating that way?
What is it that you hope to accomplish by following the book? Is there an easier way to accomplish it? Is it worth what you have to do to accomplish it?
In general, you want to make eating "right" as easy as possible
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That is because it is a restrictive diet with no reality behind it. I mean, anything that says that a food causes "leaky gut" and "leaky brain" obviously is pseudoscience.8
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Hi Jordan! It's good to see you!
You were doing great before. Why don't you just pick up where you left off?4 -
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How much were you losing when you were tired all the time?
I ask because many people get so excited when they lose a lot easily at first, they undereat to keep the big losses coming. I just wondered if that’s what happened to you. I don’t know, though. Maybe starting a lot of exercise quickly and your body wasn’t as ready for it as your mind was?
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corinasue1143 wrote: »How much were you losing when you were tired all the time?
I ask because many people get so excited when they lose a lot easily at first, they undereat to keep the big losses coming. I just wondered if that’s what happened to you. I don’t know, though. Maybe starting a lot of exercise quickly and your body wasn’t as ready for it as your mind was?
I lost 15 pounds in 2 months. I was doing everything right, but I have sleep apnea and no matter how fit I’ve been as an adult, I always seem to be lagging behind others1 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »How much were you losing when you were tired all the time?
I ask because many people get so excited when they lose a lot easily at first, they undereat to keep the big losses coming. I just wondered if that’s what happened to you. I don’t know, though. Maybe starting a lot of exercise quickly and your body wasn’t as ready for it as your mind was?
I lost 15 pounds in 2 months. I was doing everything right, but I have sleep apnea and no matter how fit I’ve been as an adult, I always seem to be lagging behind others
15 pounds in 2 months is a pretty aggressive deficit. I would imagine that having such a large deficit might contribute to feeling tired. How much weight are you trying to lose in total?
In addition, since you've been diagnosed with sleep apnea, have you seen your sleep doctor recently? It could be that your CPAP settings need to be adjusted or something like that.8 -
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15 pounds in 2 months is a pretty aggressive deficit. I would imagine that having such a large deficit might contribute to feeling tired. How much weight are you trying to lose [/quote]
It’s a bit hasty to say its an aggressive deficit without knowing I’m 340, 6 3”, and a 27 year old. Also, it might help to know that my energy level did not decrease when I lost the weight, but it did not increase much either. I am trying to lose 100 pounds.1 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »It’s a bit hasty to say its an aggressive deficit without knowing I’m 340, 6 3”, and a 27 year old. Also, it might help to know that my energy level did not decrease when I lost the weight, but it did not increase much either. I am trying to lose 100 pounds.
It's still a fairly aggressive deficit. I started with the same BMI as you, and I lost 100 pounds. I started with a 2 lb/week deficit. It can be rough. That doesn't mean you can't do it--you can, given your stats--but you may not feel your best. You may feel better if you have a smaller deficit and lose weight more slowly. I would not expect a loss of 15 pounds in and of itself to do much to change your energy level.
I would still recommend going back to your sleep doctor, however. You have a diagnosed sleep disorder; if you are feeling tired, doesn't it seem reasonable to check in with them?5 -
Hi Jordan, I first off do not know what the plant paradox system is so cannot help you there.
However I am following a Low Carb diet and started out needing to lose over a 100 pounds so I get that part. Not saying Low Carb is way to go, just saying that is what I use, being Diabetic it helps with blood sugars.
My point here is I sure do eat lots of vegetables. Something I have found to be extremely helpful, and I had to make it a habit.
Example I will buy lots of celery think 4 to 6 bunches at a time. On same day I have bought said celery, I wash, chop up, weigh out and put in baggies. That way, I literally know I can grab at any time and how much is in there. I normally cut up 4 to 6 oz small pieces for use in cooking.
I find spending part of a day prepping veges, and fruit. Saves me time when I am actually cooking.
Also at most stores at least in US, you can buy lots of different types of Veges and even Fruit precut up and washed. So then you can weigh out portions or however you are deciding portions.
There is a group on here I think called volume eaters too you might want to go look at.
Maybe think about taking a multi vitamin, as you might not be getting everything you need in your diet. Good Luck.
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At also started out at the same BMI as you and lost aggressively in the first month; also felt hungry/not full. I met with a nutritionist and had my BMR tested - turns out that the recommended calories based on the calculators at MFP (and elsewhere) were too aggressive and that with my BMR I needed to be eating more calories! I upped the calories and felt much better - I have continued to lose weight (early on it was about 1.7/lbs per week with the deficit due to a mix of exercise/ calorie restriction); lost 60 lbs so far. About 8 pounds to goal now (and going at a slower rate).
I also have sleep apnea - check your mask fitting just in case there are leaks; with weight loss my face looses weight earlier than other parts which can affect mask fit. (but expect you know that :-)
In any case it was well worth the cost to have BMR tested!2 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »
I would say because leaky gut is not a proven medical thing.
Haven't heard of leaky brain - but if your brain is leaking, ie you have a cerebral fluid leak - you have a big problem and not one any diet can fix.
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paperpudding wrote: »JordanS9592 wrote: »
I would say because leaky gut is not a proven medical thing.
Haven't heard of leaky brain - but if your brain is leaking, ie you have a cerebral fluid leak - you have a big problem and not one any diet can fix.
This.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/leaky-gut-syndrome/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/leaky-brain-leaky-gut-are-they-real/3 -
paperpudding wrote: »JordanS9592 wrote: »
I would say because leaky gut is not a proven medical thing.
Haven't heard of leaky brain - but if your brain is leaking, ie you have a cerebral fluid leak - you have a big problem and not one any diet can fix.
This.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/leaky-gut-syndrome/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/leaky-brain-leaky-gut-are-they-real/
Oh God I hope my mother doesn't hear about "leaky brain"! My grandfather had Alzheimer's and she'll try anything purported to prevent it/diminish the effects.6 -
Here's an okay piece on the "Plant Paradox Diet" that gives some background. I would disagree with the claim that the ideas make a lot of sense. It seems to be demonizing some of the most nutrient-dense foods.
https://www.wellandgood.com/good-food/the-plant-paradox-diet/
"Before I was immersed in the wellness world, I believed all fruits and vegetables were good for you, end of story. Oh, how I miss those simple times. Now that I’m a food writer and health coach, I hear from people on a regular basis about why they steer clear of nightshades—a group of fruits and veggies that includes eggplants, tomatoes, red peppers, and white potatoes—or fruits high in sugar.
Triple board-certified functional medicine nutritionist, cognitive behavioral therapist, and The Archetype Diet Dana James, MS, CNS, CDN, is not here for it. “Women are becoming much more scared of foods: fruit, nightshades, grains…I’m personally frustrated,” she says. Inflammatory articles (pun intended) about foods she is trying to actually get her clients to eat, she says, are getting in the way of people living their best, healthiest lives. How did we get here?
One reason, James argues, is that diets created for people with specific illnesses are being applied to the general public, including the rise of the Plant Paradox Diet....
For background, it first helps to know exactly what following the Plant Paradox diet entails. Basically, people on the eating plan are told to avoid anything with lectins and any other foods that have been linked to causing inflammation. This includes grains, legumes, nightshades, squash, cashews, chia seeds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, peanuts, and out-of-season fruits."
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I'll also note that re "inflammation," fruits and veg are normally considered anti-inflammatory (including nightshades, but for people who happen to have particular reactions to them).
Dr. Gundry's "no" list would ban many of the vegetables I grew this year (peppers, eggplant, green beans, tomatoes), the frozen berries I eat all year when they aren't in season here in Northern IL, oranges and clementines and bananas, among other fruits that could not grow here, and apparently melon, even when locally grown and in season. It would also ban many other vegetables I eat (including those currently in season and in my farm box) -- no winter squash, and no zucchini either, also no peas, snap peas, chickpeas, indeed, no beans or lentils at all. And, of course, no grains and no dairy.
The reason -- lectins.
Hard to imagine how people can be healthy on a Med diet, given all this, or in the Blue Zones.10 -
paperpudding wrote: »JordanS9592 wrote: »
I would say because leaky gut is not a proven medical thing.
Haven't heard of leaky brain - but if your brain is leaking, ie you have a cerebral fluid leak - you have a big problem and not one any diet can fix.
It's a thing, but not in the Plant Paradox sense . . . close friend just had surgery to repair CSF leaks, including into inner ear. Quite rare.
What it results in, it seems, is an interesting S-shaped pattern of about 30 surgical staples running from in front of ear, down around behind ear, on shaven side of head - very punk looking.
Nothing to do with eating plant foods that humans have been eating for centuries and millennia, while thriving (at least long enough to breed
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Yes, Ann I know CSF leakage is a thing - what I meant is 'leaky brain' is not a medical term or condition or something diet could fix.
if you have CSF leakage you have a big problem, like your friend. Totally not a dietary issue.2 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »It’s a bit hasty to say its an aggressive deficit without knowing I’m 340, 6 3”, and a 27 year old. Also, it might help to know that my energy level did not decrease when I lost the weight, but it did not increase much either. I am trying to lose 100 pounds.
It's still a fairly aggressive deficit. I started with the same BMI as you, and I lost 100 pounds. I started with a 2 lb/week deficit. It can be rough. That doesn't mean you can't do it--you can, given your stats--but you may not feel your best. You may feel better if you have a smaller deficit and lose weight more slowly. I would not expect a loss of 15 pounds in and of itself to do much to change your energy level.
I would still recommend going back to your sleep doctor, however. You have a diagnosed sleep disorder; if you are feeling tired, doesn't it seem reasonable to check in with them?
Am I missing something? 15 pounds in 2 months is about 1.75 pounds per week.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »Yes, Ann I know CSF leakage is a thing - what I meant is 'leaky brain' is not a medical term or condition or something diet could fix.
if you have CSF leakage you have a big problem, like your friend. Totally not a dietary issue.
Oh, I figured you did. OP . . . thinking not. 2
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