Fake Food: The Billion Dollar Business of Food Fraud
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janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.
You nailed it with your first post in this thread:janejellyroll wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
Luckily for you, information about the producers is easily available online. https://www.177milkstreet.com/radio
Christopher Kimball's agenda appears to be instruction in food preparation.
Yes, it's various food-related info, with an emphasis on instruction in food preparation. He and Sara Moulton take questions from callers, there's a featured recipe or two, and a guest interview or two.
The Food Fraud interview was unusual, so I thought it would be fun to share.
I also learned about the Pasta Grannies on a previous episode. Now I'm worried about the Pasta Grannies agenda...
https://www.pastagrannies.com2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.
but the guests are chosen by the producers. so again the producers are the ones with an agenda
Yes, but it's your assumption that the agenda is nefarious or somehow inappropriate.
It could be that their agenda is "Let's help people understand more about food supplies and how they may not be buying exactly what they think they are."
If you're going to automatically distrust anyone who wants to communicate anything to you, then you're sealing yourself off into a bubble. I think it's more useful to be aware that people have various agendas when they wish to communicate with us. Some of them are manipulative, some of them are trying to share information they think is useful or helpful.
You have an agenda in your comments right now, I have an agenda in mine. That someone has an agenda isn't cause for a preemptive objection. Since we all have agendas, it's a meaningless datapoint without actual evidence that someone is wrong or being misleading.
In all seriousness, what do you really think Christopher Kimball is trying to do here that is wrong?
is it my assumption? that it's nefarious?0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.
but the guests are chosen by the producers. so again the producers are the ones with an agenda
Yes, but it's your assumption that the agenda is nefarious or somehow inappropriate.
It could be that their agenda is "Let's help people understand more about food supplies and how they may not be buying exactly what they think they are."
If you're going to automatically distrust anyone who wants to communicate anything to you, then you're sealing yourself off into a bubble. I think it's more useful to be aware that people have various agendas when they wish to communicate with us. Some of them are manipulative, some of them are trying to share information they think is useful or helpful.
You have an agenda in your comments right now, I have an agenda in mine. That someone has an agenda isn't cause for a preemptive objection. Since we all have agendas, it's a meaningless datapoint without actual evidence that someone is wrong or being misleading.
In all seriousness, what do you really think Christopher Kimball is trying to do here that is wrong?
Or their agenda could even be "We need to find food-related content to fill up our podcast, and we'll try to present a range of content and ask questions to help listeners decide what, if anything, to do in response to the research."
(Disclosure: I haven't listened to this particular podcast. I'm familiar with Christopher Kimball from his ATK days. I thought he seemed to take a serious approach to food issues, but I wouldn't consider myself a fan.)2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.
but the guests are chosen by the producers. so again the producers are the ones with an agenda
Yes, but it's your assumption that the agenda is nefarious or somehow inappropriate.
It could be that their agenda is "Let's help people understand more about food supplies and how they may not be buying exactly what they think they are."
If you're going to automatically distrust anyone who wants to communicate anything to you, then you're sealing yourself off into a bubble. I think it's more useful to be aware that people have various agendas when they wish to communicate with us. Some of them are manipulative, some of them are trying to share information they think is useful or helpful.
You have an agenda in your comments right now, I have an agenda in mine. That someone has an agenda isn't cause for a preemptive objection. Since we all have agendas, it's a meaningless datapoint without actual evidence that someone is wrong or being misleading.
In all seriousness, what do you really think Christopher Kimball is trying to do here that is wrong?
is it my assumption? that it's nefarious?
Maybe it's not, but why else are you so concerned with their supposed agenda? There's no evidence they're doing anything except letting this academic/journalist talk about his findings around a subject that is of interest to those already following the podcast (food quality).0
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