Looking for experienced IF’er advice.

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  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    MelG7777 wrote: »
    Geez y’all, I’ve never gotten so many disagrees from a single thread! I’m sorry if I’m annoying af. Lol. For the record...I disagreed with nobody. I very much appreciate you all taking some of your precious time to help a girl out. Thank you.

    You are not annoying. You asked for input, got it and took it in good spirit. Some of your initial posts had some questionable info and that is where you go most of your disagrees. But, some people will disagree with anything. I thought you took the input well.
  • MelG7777
    MelG7777 Posts: 14,230 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I agree with @mmapags !

    And for the record, in addition to a bunch of hugs and likes for most of your posts, you absolutely also got one disagree from me.

    When you talked about doing 48 hours fasts in the future.

    Because... I disagree that this would be a good idea for you. Fairly vehemently so, given your overall situation.

    So not a personal attack on you! But *definitely* an attack on the idea that it would be good for you! :wink:

    I get it! I’m just a baby. And a mfp hugger. Lol. I just completed a, probably close to a, 40-42 hr fast today and felt great! But I’m definitely taking all this into consideration. I have a lot to read and listen to. I know I need a new plan.

    Currently listening to Dr Daniel Pompa a Biohacking Podcast https://melanieavalon.com/fastingdetox/

    It’s all very interesting to me! Again...I just appreciate the time people have taken. ❤️
  • MelG7777
    MelG7777 Posts: 14,230 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    MelG7777 wrote: »
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I agree with @mmapags !

    And for the record, in addition to a bunch of hugs and likes for most of your posts, you absolutely also got one disagree from me.

    When you talked about doing 48 hours fasts in the future.

    Because... I disagree that this would be a good idea for you. Fairly vehemently so, given your overall situation.

    So not a personal attack on you! But *definitely* an attack on the idea that it would be good for you! :wink:

    I get it! I’m just a baby. And a mfp hugger. Lol. I just completed a, probably close to a, 40-42 hr fast today and felt great! But I’m definitely taking all this into consideration. I have a lot to read and listen to. I know I need a new plan.

    Currently listening to Dr Daniel Pompa a Biohacking Podcast https://melanieavalon.com/fastingdetox/

    It’s all very interesting to me! Again...I just appreciate the time people have taken. ❤️

    *Sigh* :\

    You don’t think things like this are interesting? I’m not saying I buy in to all of what everyone is saying. I’m saying it’s interesting to hear about different studies, hear about things I believe, things I may not believe. I’m definitely not saying I’m sitting here taking notes and applying all of it to my life. But....it’s interesting.
  • MelG7777
    MelG7777 Posts: 14,230 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I will just repeat here, what @NovusDies (based on recollection) mentioned before, perhaps slightly paraphrased.

    If any mental games need to be played, their goal should be directly to enhance compliance with a caloric intake and expenditure plan that will secure reasonable additional weight loss and the maintenance of such weight loss over the long term.

    Direct caloric balance should be the primary aim.

    Feeling good about / increasingly achieving long(er) periods of starvation may or may not be the best way to achieve reasonable additional weight loss and secure a successful transition to maintenance.

    Against this as a successful long term strategy is the prevalence of restrict-binge cycles in dieters as well as ED type thinking that views starvation as a reward.

    The potential pitfalls to the strategy, in other words, are quite severe, and the additional gains of self perceived mental clarity and endorphin highs questionable as worthwhile primary goals.

    Does not eating for 40 hours enhance your athletic performance? Build stronger muscles? Make you able to run further and faster? Create a large caloric deficit that you now have to counteract or end up losing faster than desired including a higher percentage of lean mass or, if not remedied, eventually suffer health consequences-? What provided the protein your body needed to replace whatever broke down during these past 40 hours?

    When I was about 10 yo, I burned quite a few brain cells inducing anoxia (or is the term hypoxia?). I was quite convinced based on my own self perceived experimentation that I was able to normally breathe in the bathtub underwater. I demonstrated this to my dad who yanked my head out of the bathtub well past the 2.5 minute mark and may have been slightly vocal about me ever repeating the experiment by myself....

    Sure, I get it I think. For me....it’s more of a digestive thing. I feel like it’s good for my body to give it a rest. Maybe I’m making it up, but it feels positive to me. I’m still taking it all in. I will NEVER be arrogant enough to think I have things figured out and can’t see opposing views. Or new views. Thank you.
  • MelG7777
    MelG7777 Posts: 14,230 Member
    mmapags wrote: »
    MelG7777 wrote: »
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I agree with @mmapags !

    And for the record, in addition to a bunch of hugs and likes for most of your posts, you absolutely also got one disagree from me.

    When you talked about doing 48 hours fasts in the future.

    Because... I disagree that this would be a good idea for you. Fairly vehemently so, given your overall situation.

    So not a personal attack on you! But *definitely* an attack on the idea that it would be good for you! :wink:

    I get it! I’m just a baby. And a mfp hugger. Lol. I just completed a, probably close to a, 40-42 hr fast today and felt great! But I’m definitely taking all this into consideration. I have a lot to read and listen to. I know I need a new plan.

    Currently listening to Dr Daniel Pompa a Biohacking Podcast https://melanieavalon.com/fastingdetox/

    It’s all very interesting to me! Again...I just appreciate the time people have taken. ❤️

    Honestly, podcasts like that are useless. There are no biohacks. You would do better to spend you time on the fundamentals and not make things harder and more complicated than necessary.

    You don’t think the science is interesting? In particular, when I’ve heard people speak about thermogenesis. The “white fat to brown fat” and the fact that they thought only infants even had brown fat. Idk, I’m not saying I blindly follow things I hear in podcasts. I’m saying I’m open to learning new things.
  • SnifterPug
    SnifterPug Posts: 746 Member
    MelG7777 wrote: »

    Thanks for that info. According to the little handheld thing at the gym I’m 32.8% BF. I just did an online BMI and it says I’m a 30...moderate. If we’re talking real honest numbers here, I’m still around 175lbs. I’ve definitely got plenty to lose still. I’m 5’5”. I think I carry weight fairly well so it might not be showing. I’ve had 5 kids and my stomach definitely needs to get smaller still. I know I have a way to go still.

    I love the idea of this....” but it's likely time to re-address your calorie targets and probably exercise as well.”

    But what does that mean for someone who doesn’t know much about diet and fitness? How do I readdress these things? At this point I’m basically winging it. I listen to podcast/YouTube videos but this discussion here is more personalized info than I’ve ever received before. And I do appreciate it. I just don’t know really where to go from here.

    Congrats on the progress so far. That's good steady progress for a three month period.

    I'm currently 172lb, 5'10" and apparently about 36%BF. I need to shift fat and gain muscle. I am not fussed about losing much more weight as I don't want to be thin. At my height the absolute most I'd want to lose is 21lb but my current goal is 11lb and then I'll see what I look like. You look great in your pics, and slimmer than me, but your BF is lower so that stands to reason.

    I'm posting here because I have been doing 16:8 IF since 2016. In conjunction with calorie counting it is the only approach that has worked to get the weight off steadily and keep me moving towards my goal. I exercise in the morning, fasted, and start eating around 2pm. I don't give myself a deadline for weight loss and eat enough calories to fuel my exercise, which I love. So I just keep on plugging away and it has become a lifestyle now. Weight loss has slowed as I approach target but so long as the trend is down over time I am happy with that. And a 1 pound a month weight loss is fine. Arbitrary deadlines are a demotivator for me. If I fail to meet a deadline I'll throw my toys out of the pram and give up. You said you are winging it. Well, that's what I've been doing. Basically I am figuring out what works for me.

    During my lifetime I have been a huge sucker for the latest diet hacks, theories etc. I've lost count of the amount of snake oil I've bought. I still love reading all about this kind of thing, and it may even give me ideas of new things to try, just to make things more interesting. But in my heart of hearts I know that what really works for me is a calorie deficit (which I find easier to achieve using IF), a varied diet and plenty of exercise. Anything else is at best the sprinkle on the cherry on the icing on the cake.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    MelG7777 wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    MelG7777 wrote: »
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I agree with @mmapags !

    And for the record, in addition to a bunch of hugs and likes for most of your posts, you absolutely also got one disagree from me.

    When you talked about doing 48 hours fasts in the future.

    Because... I disagree that this would be a good idea for you. Fairly vehemently so, given your overall situation.

    So not a personal attack on you! But *definitely* an attack on the idea that it would be good for you! :wink:

    I get it! I’m just a baby. And a mfp hugger. Lol. I just completed a, probably close to a, 40-42 hr fast today and felt great! But I’m definitely taking all this into consideration. I have a lot to read and listen to. I know I need a new plan.

    Currently listening to Dr Daniel Pompa a Biohacking Podcast https://melanieavalon.com/fastingdetox/

    It’s all very interesting to me! Again...I just appreciate the time people have taken. ❤️

    Honestly, podcasts like that are useless. There are no biohacks. You would do better to spend you time on the fundamentals and not make things harder and more complicated than necessary.

    You don’t think the science is interesting? In particular, when I’ve heard people speak about thermogenesis. The “white fat to brown fat” and the fact that they thought only infants even had brown fat. Idk, I’m not saying I blindly follow things I hear in podcasts. I’m saying I’m open to learning new things.

    When someone calls something a "hack" it isn't science. It is a few cherry picked studies to push whatever agenda they are selling. And how does something like brown fat and white fat help you hit your goals?

    If you find that interesting, you would do much better doing a search on PubMed and finding a meta-analysis on the topic. Hacks and fasting detox are nonsense really. There is no way to hack your physiology and there is not need for detoxes. Your liver and kidneys do a fine job of detoxing. If they don't, you have bigger problems than any podcast is going to solve.
  • magnusthenerd
    magnusthenerd Posts: 1,207 Member
    MelG7777 wrote: »
    mmapags wrote: »
    MelG7777 wrote: »
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    I agree with @mmapags !

    And for the record, in addition to a bunch of hugs and likes for most of your posts, you absolutely also got one disagree from me.

    When you talked about doing 48 hours fasts in the future.

    Because... I disagree that this would be a good idea for you. Fairly vehemently so, given your overall situation.

    So not a personal attack on you! But *definitely* an attack on the idea that it would be good for you! :wink:

    I get it! I’m just a baby. And a mfp hugger. Lol. I just completed a, probably close to a, 40-42 hr fast today and felt great! But I’m definitely taking all this into consideration. I have a lot to read and listen to. I know I need a new plan.

    Currently listening to Dr Daniel Pompa a Biohacking Podcast https://melanieavalon.com/fastingdetox/

    It’s all very interesting to me! Again...I just appreciate the time people have taken. ❤️

    Honestly, podcasts like that are useless. There are no biohacks. You would do better to spend you time on the fundamentals and not make things harder and more complicated than necessary.

    You don’t think the science is interesting? In particular, when I’ve heard people speak about thermogenesis. The “white fat to brown fat” and the fact that they thought only infants even had brown fat. Idk, I’m not saying I blindly follow things I hear in podcasts. I’m saying I’m open to learning new things.

    I very much do, which is why I'm more likely to read a research paper in a high impact journal, written by a PhD on it than listen to a podcast by a chiropractor that identifies as a biohacker about it.
    One of the best things about science isn't what it teaches it. I think its greatest value is that it can unteach us - we can identify things we are wrong about, and discard bad facts and ideas. Much of that value is lost when science is disseminated as little factoids that don't have the appropriate confidence in them conveyed, so they person hearing the factoid is willing to discard it when better research shows something else.

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