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  • deannalfisher
    deannalfisher Posts: 5,600 Member
    don't turn off steps - but if you are getting a calorie adjustment, you might consider whether current activity level you are set at makes sense (are you really sedentary?)
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,240 Member
    Based on what he had said about his total number of steps not exceeding 3000, that adjustment has to be spurious unless there is other activity not getting captured

    MFP sedentary includes the first 3-3500 steps for most people.

    I concur on the 1500. I have a hard time figuring out weight gain at under 2k cal for a guy only a tad shorter than me and a lot younger
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    I don't know how but that's what it worked out to be with measuring everything and is normal levels and portions before I started all of this. I wasn't hungry and felt fine but clearly it seems I'm not eating enough. Today I'm not sure whether to turn steps on or not. Job is office based and that was just steps going up and down floors in the office.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,240 Member
    how are you / google fit measuring steps? i would need to stay at home all day to come in below 3500. a good clip walk can be reasonably assumed to be at 100 steps per min
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    edited February 2020
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    how are you / google fit measuring steps? i would need to stay at home all day to come in below 3500. a good clip walk can be reasonably assumed to be at 100 steps per min

    Phone in my pocket and ensuring that I take it with me now all the time. Currently sat at 379 steps which would have been walking around the house a bit this morning and to and fro car from home and to desk. Think it might be a bit 'enthusiastic', just popped downstairs in the office and back, now reporting 110 more.

    I'm just confused how I can eat my 1500 when I feel absolutely fine but guess my body used to it
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    Based on what he had said about his total number of steps not exceeding 3000, that adjustment has to be spurious unless there is other activity not getting captured

    MFP sedentary includes the first 3-3500 steps for most people.

    I concur on the 1500. I have a hard time figuring out weight gain at under 2k cal for a guy only a tad shorter than me and a lot younger

    Oops, I missed that. Thanks.
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    So today I'm on 1087 left with the additional exercise turned off. If there was a day when I decide to go out for a walk and get up lots of steps, at what point do I know when to turn them on?
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    edited February 2020
    Hit my 1500 today without exercise on. Just been reading up on the negative adjustment and from I'm reading maybe I should be enabling that because my sedentary as has been mentioned here takes into account my first 3000.....or would a Fitbit make any difference?
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,240 Member
    MFP guesses your caloric expenditure based on what you tell it. "I am sedentary. I am active. I exercised 52 hours straight at 125% speed! I didn't break a sweat even though I moved all the hay from one end of the barn to the other!"

    Fitbit sits there and records accelerometer readings, cadence, heart rate, gps track even, and tries to make a guess as to what type and what intensity of activity you're engaged in and how many calories you are estimated to be burning.

    Essentially, with integration enabled the user not making modifications, MFP defers to Fitbit for your total calories burned for the day.

    Integration, AT MIDNIGHT, ensures that your Fitbit burn is what has been recorded as your caloric expenditure for the day via the adjustment mechanism.

    Therefore you would not need to make any adjustments to that final number.

    The intermediate numbers during the day may require some mental adjustment. If, for example, you exercise early and go to bed at 21:00 your final adjustment at 23:59 will be lower than what you would see at 21:00
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,240 Member
    If you're viewing Fitbit as a motivator to become more active, then it is most certainly a valuable motivator. At least I've found it to be such.

    If you're viewing Fitbit as the solution to figuring out the calories puzzle, it may be something that helps you at the margin; but, the careful logging of your caloric intake (food and drink) and of your scale weight trend has a higher chance of helping you solve the puzzle.

    It would be very unusual for a person who, overall, does not reach their maintenance number of calories to have gained weight over time.

    Now, you did mention that you have been weight stable for a long period of time. It IS possible for a person to slightly under-eat or very lightly over-eat and be at a weight equilibrium because of some adjustment of their subconscious activity level.

    I don't know if I've mentioned this to you (and I can't go over the thread right now to confirm), but if you're trying to make a small adjustment towards health, are within the normal weight level, weight stable, and truly sedentary (most people who leave the house for work tend to be closer to lightly active as opposed to within the 1.2 to 1.25 physical activity multiplier definition of the word sedentary) then your most bang for the buck may come from implementing the WHO physical activity and exercise recommendations first.
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    Yep ok thanks. Sorry been going on a bit now with this thread but just trying to get my head round

    A: How I can be struggling to eat the goal calories of 1500 let alone 1940 to maintain and keeping same weight, must be something screwy going on with my body

    B:. If my Activity level is set to 'not very active' which includes say the first 3000 steps how do I sync Google Fit or Fitbit to record accurately those days that I go over 3000 or do I just not worry about them. Did notice when I click on the exercise bit and Extra calories earned it reports MFP Android Google calories burned as 2189, Myfitness calories burned as 1932 so therefore difference of 257. Don't know where it gets the 2189 and 1932 from, Google fit only showing 1485 calories burned with 1730 steps

    Again sorry just getting completely confused for something which should be simple and I'm thinking it's the step syncing which is confusing it
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    To @PAV8888's list a common source of logging problems is weighing the food prepared instead of as packaged. You mentioned frozen potatoes in one of your earlier posts. To figure the portion there you would weigh them in their frozen state normally. If you weigh them after they are cooked then the weight is altered by how much water escapes. This would not matter as much for low calorie items but potatoes are higher calorie.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,240 Member
    edited February 2020
    Agreed re frozen meals.

    Slap on scale uncooked, log while it's cooking by full weight. Eat.

    Weight empty packaging and edit logged entry to deduct (if eaten in package such as single serve meals)
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    Ok thanks. Pretty sure I am weighing everything correctly as packets states. It is says so many calories for so much weight I weigh that amount. I have got the Fitbit app and did start with that so I'll go back with that I think rather than Google fit and if not I'll just put up with how I am.

    Thanks for all the help guys
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    Installed the Pacer Pedometer app yesterday and interestingly yesterday Fit said I had done 2807 steps and burned 1624 calories, Pacer reported 2908 steps and 109 calories. I'm guessing Fit is taking into account my standard calories as well whereas Pacer is just those from steps. I've linked Pacer to MFP but it doesn't seem to bring anything across but still averaging 1500 with no change to what I've always eaten.

    I've also had a thought that taking into account the above where my diet doesn't appear to have changed, it's obvious that I've never hit my 1940 goal to maintain although I have maintained for several months if not longer. I am always tired as well and again I guess that's because I've never been eating enough calories for my body to function properly.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    Stuart, have you had a medical check up to rule out any health issues?
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Stuart, have you had a medical check up to rule out any health issues?

    Not yet but was down there recently for something and was told all the basics, bloody pressure and so on is correct
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    stuarta99 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    Stuart, have you had a medical check up to rule out any health issues?

    Not yet but was down there recently for something and was told all the basics, bloody pressure and so on is correct

    Blood tests?

    If your calorie intake is accurate, and you are feeling tired all the time, I'd say it warrants further investigation as to possible medical causes. It's possible you're just an unlucky outlier in terms of calorie needs, but it pays to check.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,240 Member
    Or lucky outlier! If he's not hungry but happy and maintaining and saving on extra food money!

    Stuart, not getting extra calories from sub 3k steps is expected as usually you start getting extra (above MFP sedentary) somewhere in the 3 to 5000 range, with most people usually starting to show a couple of extra Cal at 3500ish
  • stuarta99
    stuarta99 Posts: 93 Member
    Something is working, lost another 2lb this week

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