Keto vegan/vegetarian

angelexperiment

Hi I saw these two books and wondered if anyone had done this or a variant? I’m using them to model my own type of diet including fish some Mediterranean ideas and carb cycling. Just curious bc I can do the keto veg on my low carb days Mediterranean on my high carb days ( it’s not really high carb more like moderate to low but more than my low carb days). But I thought I might do the keto straight for a two week induction phase. I have done regular keto before, I have done carb cycling before, I have done vegan before, all separate times. I cannot eat red meat due to health issues and I don’t eat a lot of poultry anyway and only eat bacon on occasion. Anyway it seems pretty interesting and some very nice recipes that are heart healthy. Thoughts or ideas?

janejellyroll

I'm not sure what books you're referring to, but I've read a bit about vegan keto diets. I haven't personally done it, although I've experimented with some vegan keto recipes. I've enjoyed the recipes I've tried, but I have no interest in doing it 100% of the time.

I have a friend who did vegan keto (for health issues). The main issue with the diet is that your food choices are pretty limited. The monotony would have been too much for her if she hadn't been doing it because her doctor recommended it for a specific reason. Fortunately she's been able to return to regular veganism.

Is there a specific goal that you're working towards with this plan?

angelexperiment

Well I’m ruling out some health issues and seeing if it helps with pain and inflammation and I need to lose weight so that’s just being incorporated. I don’t really want to do solo vegan for I find it too restrictive to maintain but I thought I could mix and match ideas from vegan keto by Liz McDowell and the essential vegetarian keto cookbook from the editors of Rodale books fish are included for some recipes for pescatarians. Generally I avoid breads and rice bc of digestion issues.

lemurcat2

I've watched videos (and heard a podcast) by people experimenting with this just for a short period of time, and the podcast had a couple of people who are mostly vegetarian keto as a lifestyle, I think.

It's interesting (I was mostly curious about how one would pull it off), but seems to me like it would be needlessly restrictive for most (absent situations like Jane's friend) and I fear that it's likely to appeal to those who approach nutrition as about eating as restricted a diet as possible (something for people who would otherwise be raw only or some such, although I think it's likely easier to do healthfully than raw would be). This would include those with tendencies toward orthorexia or other EDs.

The people I am talking about who experimented for a shorter term with it were coming from a perspective of curiosity plus acknowledging that there are perceived benefits from keto for some (mostly in terms of appetite control) and wanting them to know that didn't have to mean eating tons of meat (or any animal-sourced products, if you also were ethically drawn to veganism).

I don't think the vast majority of people have any need for or great benefits from keto (vs. other diets that can be quite satiating), but for some appetite control is a real thing (and I think there can be a few other things). I would need a pretty major benefit or have decided that eating non keto just wouldn't work, personally, to do anything more than a short term experience. I'm sure individual meals are tasty, though, just as there are lots of meals that are inadvertently keto in general that are tasty.

AnnPT77

It sounds like you're trying to mix and match a bunch of things (vegan, which means no eating meat or wearing leather or anything) plus fish (which isn't even remotely vegan), plus Mediterranean plus keto (but not really keto, only kind of low carb), while carb cycling, plus plus plus. Frankly, that's a lot of trendy ideas, many of which don't go together all that well. And, for health or weight loss, all of those "special ways of eating" are optional.

Why not figure out which foods you personally like, that are (in your opinion) less likely to provoke your individual food sensitivities or medical conditions, that you find filling, and that add up to good nutrition, then eat those within your calorie goal?

You don't need to do some named way of dieting, or mix and match them. Just eat a well-rounded menu of food you enjoy, within your calorie goal, and get decent overall nutrition, avoiding things that cause problems for you personally. That will work.

You could consider this thread as a sort of framework for doing that, just adding in any medically-necessary conditions of your own:

http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10636388/free-customized-personal-weight-loss-eating-plan-not-spam-or-mlm/p1

I feel like you're making things super-much more complicated for yourself than they really need to be.

WIshing you the best!

NovusDies

If you are having health issues you should get a doctor to refer you to a registered dietitian who will know how to put you on one single plan instead of however many plans you are trying to mix together there.