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The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »Do you guys think longer, steady rate cycling with massive amounts of caloric burn will burn up muscle gains?
No, muscle isn't used as fuel without serious underfeeding, it's the underfeeding that is the potential problem not the exercise.
Training/recovery impact yes - which might mean you gain less muscle in the first place. For example in the main cycling season I rarely do any lower body strength/weight training as my legs need recovery so I could be missing out on some hypertrophy.
Is going on long rides (1 - 1.5 hours) every single day too much as well?
1-1.5 hours aren't really long rides.
But I probably wouldn't do that every day. Mix it up!
Do longer rides on the weekends or your days off.
Do your 1-1.5 hour rides a couple other days each week.
Do intervals or hill repeats (something a bit more intense) 1-2 days a week.
And include 1-2 days of rest or slightly active rest.1 -
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The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »
Whoa, hey! I'm not about to start cycling 150 miles non-stop. I do this for fun but not to kill myself 😂
Picked up this thing maybe close to a year ago:
Rim brakes because I think disc brakes are hideous and clunky looking, plus they were too good (wheels locking up and skidding).
Locking up brakes (disc or rim) is a problem with the user, not with the brakes.3 -
The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?
Dividing Garmin's calories for last year by hours cycled - 542cals per hour.
Dividing Garmin's calories by rides = 816cals per ride.
The real average numbers for all my cycling will be lower than that as I don't use Garmin for my general bimbling about rides so these numbers are only reflecting my more serious/training rides indoors and out.
Indoors I tend not to train for more than an hour as it's a boring (but necessary) evil and range would be roughly 500 - 800 depending on intensity, steady state or intervals, duration.
It's rare I will hit 1,000 net cals indoors.
I mostly use power meters for calorie burns so above are largely net cal estimates rather than gross cal estimates.
Outdoors range is massive from 100 to 3,600 cals as the range of durations/distances is so wide.
100% agree that outdoor cycling beats indoor stationary cycling. I've cycled at nighttime before but decided to play it safer last night and cycled at the gym, 1,500 calories burned in about 1 hour, 30 -40 min.
I love how fun it is to burn massive amounts of calories outdoor cycling, which allows us to eat back as much as a large pepperoni pizza and not gain any fat from it 😁
I'd be cautious about "massive" calorie burns and eating back entire pizzas. Cycling doesn't burn as much as it sounds like you think it does.2 -
This is bike porn. North Cascades Highway aka route 20, at Washington Pass.
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The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?
Dividing Garmin's calories for last year by hours cycled - 542cals per hour.
Dividing Garmin's calories by rides = 816cals per ride.
The real average numbers for all my cycling will be lower than that as I don't use Garmin for my general bimbling about rides so these numbers are only reflecting my more serious/training rides indoors and out.
Indoors I tend not to train for more than an hour as it's a boring (but necessary) evil and range would be roughly 500 - 800 depending on intensity, steady state or intervals, duration.
It's rare I will hit 1,000 net cals indoors.
I mostly use power meters for calorie burns so above are largely net cal estimates rather than gross cal estimates.
Outdoors range is massive from 100 to 3,600 cals as the range of durations/distances is so wide.
100% agree that outdoor cycling beats indoor stationary cycling. I've cycled at nighttime before but decided to play it safer last night and cycled at the gym, 1,500 calories burned in about 1 hour, 30 -40 min.
I love how fun it is to burn massive amounts of calories outdoor cycling, which allows us to eat back as much as a large pepperoni pizza and not gain any fat from it 😁
I'd be cautious about "massive" calorie burns and eating back entire pizzas. Cycling doesn't burn as much as it sounds like you think it does.
I have a heart rate monitor strapped to my torso, it's regarded as being very accurate so I go with it 🤷🏻♂️. Whatever the calories it tells me I burned, i eat back. As for disc vs rim brakes, i just don't like the look of disc brakes.
Heart rate monitors are accurate for heartrate, sometimes they can give reasonable calorie estimates for some people doing some styles of exercise under some circumstances. The opposite is also true - they can be dreadfully inaccurate as there is no direct relationship between HR and energy expended. Overheat or do interval training/hill climbs and the chances of accuracy plummet.
Often they are also estimating gross calories and not net calories which introduces an amount of double counting.
Overall sorry, but no they aren't regarded as being very accurate. If you get the chance and want to see how close they are for you try and compare against a power meter.3 -
The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?
Dividing Garmin's calories for last year by hours cycled - 542cals per hour.
Dividing Garmin's calories by rides = 816cals per ride.
The real average numbers for all my cycling will be lower than that as I don't use Garmin for my general bimbling about rides so these numbers are only reflecting my more serious/training rides indoors and out.
Indoors I tend not to train for more than an hour as it's a boring (but necessary) evil and range would be roughly 500 - 800 depending on intensity, steady state or intervals, duration.
It's rare I will hit 1,000 net cals indoors.
I mostly use power meters for calorie burns so above are largely net cal estimates rather than gross cal estimates.
Outdoors range is massive from 100 to 3,600 cals as the range of durations/distances is so wide.
100% agree that outdoor cycling beats indoor stationary cycling. I've cycled at nighttime before but decided to play it safer last night and cycled at the gym, 1,500 calories burned in about 1 hour, 30 -40 min.
I love how fun it is to burn massive amounts of calories outdoor cycling, which allows us to eat back as much as a large pepperoni pizza and not gain any fat from it 😁
I'd be cautious about "massive" calorie burns and eating back entire pizzas. Cycling doesn't burn as much as it sounds like you think it does.
I have a heart rate monitor strapped to my torso, it's regarded as being very accurate so I go with it 🤷🏻♂️. Whatever the calories it tells me I burned, i eat back. As for disc vs rim brakes, i just don't like the look of disc brakes.
Heart rate monitors are accurate for heartrate, sometimes they can give reasonable calorie estimates for some people doing some styles of exercise under some circumstances. The opposite is also true - they can be dreadfully inaccurate as there is no direct relationship between HR and energy expended. Overheat or do interval training/hill climbs and the chances of accuracy plummet.
Often they are also estimating gross calories and not net calories which introduces an amount of double counting.
Overall sorry, but no they aren't regarded as being very accurate. If you get the chance and want to see how close they are for you try and compare against a power meter.
Agreed.
OP, in the bigger picture... I don't want to discourage you or anyone from riding. Riding is awesome, regardless of where you ride, how fast you ride, or how long you ride. But riding to lose weight or to "allow" for crazy eating patterns is, at best, risky. That said, I did what you are describing... wore a HRM, logged my exercise, logged my eating, and worked the numbers for my goal. The process is fine, as long as the mindset is correct, and that's where the red flags go up regarding "massive" calorie burns and eating back "entire" pizzas.1 -
The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »Do you guys think longer, steady rate cycling with massive amounts of caloric burn will burn up muscle gains?
No, muscle isn't used as fuel without serious underfeeding, it's the underfeeding that is the potential problem not the exercise.
Training/recovery impact yes - which might mean you gain less muscle in the first place. For example in the main cycling season I rarely do any lower body strength/weight training as my legs need recovery so I could be missing out on some hypertrophy.
Is going on long rides (1 - 1.5 hours) every single day too much as well?
For some people, no, for others, yes. How good of cycling shape are you in?
What's the standard to measure/compare myself to, to determine how good of shape I'm in?
I can run longer than 1 hour without stopping at 5.5 - 6 miles per hour. I'm 5'11" and weigh about 182 pounds.
If I eat a good meal a couple hours before cycling I feel I pretty ok doing 2 hours, maybe a little longer. I'm just wondering if it's too much to burn 800+ calories with cardio every single day. I dunno, I guess I'll listen to my body and see how it responds.
If you can reasonably do that much, then it’s fine. People training for long distance rides might do that much. If it’s beyond your current abilities, then no. Most amateurs find it best to alternate days rather than doing the same activity every day. But a pro or semi-pro athlete, no problem. Some people commute that far on their bikes every day. So it just depends on what your body is already capable of. Have fun!0 -
I'll chime in and say I did some testing riding outdoors for a while before I sold an old Garmin watch. Compared calories the HRM said vs kilo-Joules from a power meter. The HRM was over by about 25% on average, but up to about 50% at times. That's ignoring net vs gross. 😯0
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Didn't mean to discourage you. HRMs are great training aids - but they aren't energy counters. They can be better than some other methods of estimating calories as at least they tend to be proportional and personal (at least in a fairly short timescale).
Just to illustrate the point my resting HR (and comparitive exercise HR) fell by 20% but as I was fitter and created a lot more power my actual burns went up although the HRM would have shown declining calorie burns.
The game of managing your calorie balance is a juggling act of a lot of estimates on both sides of the equation - some can be off, some can be close and some can be miles away but consistency and making adjustments based on trends works. Where it's possible to come unstuck is when your routine changes and if your estimates are a long way from reality it's much harder to refind that balance.
I certainly enjoy the fact that the size of my diet boosted by activity and exercise makes for more enjoyment of food and far easier for me to maintain but a couple of injuries after a 30+mph face plant last year reminded me to be cautious about relying on exercise too much.
BTW - I found both Garmin and Strava estimates when paired to a HRM to be on average not too bad estimates when checked against a power meter (definitely in the realm of reasonable/usable for purpose), probably by happy accident as they don't know quite how awful my aerodynamics are!
BTW2 - heartrate is an awful way to estimate calories during strength training as the rise in HR isn't due to aerobic demand. It's one of the times when the MyFitnessPal estimate is better. Unlike the MyFitnessPal cycling speed related estimates which are pure fantasy for a road rider.1 -
The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?
Dividing Garmin's calories for last year by hours cycled - 542cals per hour.
Dividing Garmin's calories by rides = 816cals per ride.
The real average numbers for all my cycling will be lower than that as I don't use Garmin for my general bimbling about rides so these numbers are only reflecting my more serious/training rides indoors and out.
Indoors I tend not to train for more than an hour as it's a boring (but necessary) evil and range would be roughly 500 - 800 depending on intensity, steady state or intervals, duration.
It's rare I will hit 1,000 net cals indoors.
I mostly use power meters for calorie burns so above are largely net cal estimates rather than gross cal estimates.
Outdoors range is massive from 100 to 3,600 cals as the range of durations/distances is so wide.
100% agree that outdoor cycling beats indoor stationary cycling. I've cycled at nighttime before but decided to play it safer last night and cycled at the gym, 1,500 calories burned in about 1 hour, 30 -40 min.
I love how fun it is to burn massive amounts of calories outdoor cycling, which allows us to eat back as much as a large pepperoni pizza and not gain any fat from it 😁
I'd be cautious about "massive" calorie burns and eating back entire pizzas. Cycling doesn't burn as much as it sounds like you think it does.
I have a heart rate monitor strapped to my torso, it's regarded as being very accurate so I go with it 🤷🏻♂️. Whatever the calories it tells me I burned, i eat back. As for disc vs rim brakes, i just don't like the look of disc brakes.
Heart rate monitors are accurate for heartrate, sometimes they can give reasonable calorie estimates for some people doing some styles of exercise under some circumstances. The opposite is also true - they can be dreadfully inaccurate as there is no direct relationship between HR and energy expended. Overheat or do interval training/hill climbs and the chances of accuracy plummet.
Often they are also estimating gross calories and not net calories which introduces an amount of double counting.
Overall sorry, but no they aren't regarded as being very accurate. If you get the chance and want to see how close they are for you try and compare against a power meter.The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »The_Usual_Suspects wrote: »For those of you could track how many calories you burn during training, on average how much do you burn during a ride when you go cycling outside?
Dividing Garmin's calories for last year by hours cycled - 542cals per hour.
Dividing Garmin's calories by rides = 816cals per ride.
The real average numbers for all my cycling will be lower than that as I don't use Garmin for my general bimbling about rides so these numbers are only reflecting my more serious/training rides indoors and out.
Indoors I tend not to train for more than an hour as it's a boring (but necessary) evil and range would be roughly 500 - 800 depending on intensity, steady state or intervals, duration.
It's rare I will hit 1,000 net cals indoors.
I mostly use power meters for calorie burns so above are largely net cal estimates rather than gross cal estimates.
Outdoors range is massive from 100 to 3,600 cals as the range of durations/distances is so wide.
100% agree that outdoor cycling beats indoor stationary cycling. I've cycled at nighttime before but decided to play it safer last night and cycled at the gym, 1,500 calories burned in about 1 hour, 30 -40 min.
I love how fun it is to burn massive amounts of calories outdoor cycling, which allows us to eat back as much as a large pepperoni pizza and not gain any fat from it 😁
I'd be cautious about "massive" calorie burns and eating back entire pizzas. Cycling doesn't burn as much as it sounds like you think it does.
I have a heart rate monitor strapped to my torso, it's regarded as being very accurate so I go with it 🤷🏻♂️. Whatever the calories it tells me I burned, i eat back. As for disc vs rim brakes, i just don't like the look of disc brakes.
Heart rate monitors are accurate for heartrate, sometimes they can give reasonable calorie estimates for some people doing some styles of exercise under some circumstances. The opposite is also true - they can be dreadfully inaccurate as there is no direct relationship between HR and energy expended. Overheat or do interval training/hill climbs and the chances of accuracy plummet.
Often they are also estimating gross calories and not net calories which introduces an amount of double counting.
Overall sorry, but no they aren't regarded as being very accurate. If you get the chance and want to see how close they are for you try and compare against a power meter.
Agreed.
OP, in the bigger picture... I don't want to discourage you or anyone from riding. Riding is awesome, regardless of where you ride, how fast you ride, or how long you ride. But riding to lose weight or to "allow" for crazy eating patterns is, at best, risky. That said, I did what you are describing... wore a HRM, logged my exercise, logged my eating, and worked the numbers for my goal. The process is fine, as long as the mindset is correct, and that's where the red flags go up regarding "massive" calorie burns and eating back "entire" pizzas.
Hmm 🤔... well crikey! That just rained on my parade with this HRM 😂
I dunno.. I wear it when doing cardio or strength training and eat back all or most of my calories and have managed to lose about 4 or 5 pounds while maintaining an overall deficit 🤷🏻♂️
That's important... If it's working for you, then the accuracy becomes somewhat moot. Remember, this is all just a series of estimates... if there numbers are working, then maybe good enough is good enough (though I do think it's good to be aware of in case it stops working for you).2 -
I may have a bit of a bike problem...
Salsa Journeyman
Cannondale SuperSix Evo
Santa Cruz Bronson
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Blimey!! Thats a lot of bikes!!!
I have two road bikes - a Giant Defy Mens Large that I've used over many miles for the past couple of years and my new gorgeous shiny red/black medium frame Liv Avail SL that I bought in January! Its still so-o-o-o shiny and so easy to ride as it's been fitted to me! Haven't noticed much improvement on average mph yet but hoping to do a few solo rides soon so I can crank up the pace a bit. Hills are a doddle with the new bike - 11/34 gearset might be helping
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I have a 25 year old Cannondale - my parents bought it for me when I was 10 I am assuming it was a touch big at the time, but I also stopped growing around 12 so there’s that. Bike shop fitted me and said I was still good on it, so yay! I have a slight sentimental attachment to it... definitely nothing super fancy though.
My dad is a bike “collector” - couldn’t tell you how many my parents have between the two of them... it was a bike Christmas this year! My mom got an e-bike for commuting around town and my dad got a couple deals he couldn’t refuse for himself, plus the add on to turn one into an e-bike for himself (town is pretty hilly). I am proud of him though... at 69 he has started biking again, losing weight through MFP, and has even talked about joining a MTB club!
Feel like I should take it outside for a proper pic, but oh well...
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Trek X-Caliber wearing Schwalbe Big Apple 29x2.35 tires. I go most everywhere on this (excepting deep/loose sand, mud and snow/ice) - road and trail. Returned to cycling 2018 after decades away: older, assortment of med issues, overweight, etc. - but leaner, stronger, much healthier now! Cycling, plus swimming and dietary management (MFP) have contributed to about 70lbs loss, and still counting.
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I have a cannon dale CAAD9. I’m going to try to service it myself for the first time next week. Should be interesting.0
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