What's the Best Diet/Gameplan for me?
TheLastMrBig
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My three ultimate goals in this order
1. Get ride of Type 2 Diabetes
2. Lose this weight
3. Repair muscle
I understand #3 might be counterproductive to #2 so the huge main focus is first 2 . My body is extremely weak and I suffer from muscle fatigue to say least. Lately, it seems my body shuts down on me
I've done a great down of extremely cutting down carb intake to about 75 carbs or under on a daily basis for three weeks in a row. My A1C has dropped from 13.2 to 9.6 as of Tuesday
However, I'm consuming way too much fat and sodium not to mention I still weigh 412 on a full stomach.
I want to get my carbs daily consumption to 50 carbs or under on a daily basis but I catch myself with these several problems
1. Extremely low energy
2. Starving myself throughout the day to keep me from consuming food that will cause blood sugar rise
3. Eating too much fat to meet basic calorie requirements
I need a strong gameplan and I'm humble enough to ask for help
1. Get ride of Type 2 Diabetes
2. Lose this weight
3. Repair muscle
I understand #3 might be counterproductive to #2 so the huge main focus is first 2 . My body is extremely weak and I suffer from muscle fatigue to say least. Lately, it seems my body shuts down on me
I've done a great down of extremely cutting down carb intake to about 75 carbs or under on a daily basis for three weeks in a row. My A1C has dropped from 13.2 to 9.6 as of Tuesday
However, I'm consuming way too much fat and sodium not to mention I still weigh 412 on a full stomach.
I want to get my carbs daily consumption to 50 carbs or under on a daily basis but I catch myself with these several problems
1. Extremely low energy
2. Starving myself throughout the day to keep me from consuming food that will cause blood sugar rise
3. Eating too much fat to meet basic calorie requirements
I need a strong gameplan and I'm humble enough to ask for help
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Since you are diabetic what medical advice are you following regarding weight loss and nutrition?4
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Your main strategy in type 2 diabetes is weight management.
I remember from previous thread that you have a lot of weight to lose? You are currently 412 lb?
You do not need to go extreme low carb.
Just reasonably lowish carb, and you have to strongly limit high sugar foods
but nothing extreme and unsustainable
If you can get input from a dietician, that would be great - not sure how easy to access this in your circumstances, where you live
An exercise physiologist, or similar, would be helpful in giving guidelines for a gradual step up exercise program, within your limitations.
If your Hba1c has dropped from 13.2 (far too high, as I am sure you are aware) to 9.6, then that is a big improvement already.
9.6 is still too high but improvement won't happen overnight and you have made good progress in reducing it thus far.
You are likelly to need a combination of diet, exercise ,and medication.
If you are eating a reasonable diabetic suitable diet and still getting blood sugar rises, see your doctor - sooner rather than later, and take in your BSL diary.
Maybe your medication needs adjusting.
You should be eating a nutritious diet at an appropriate calorie level - not 'starving yourself throughout the day'
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TBH I'd hook up with your dr., create a plan with him, using a nutritionist, counselor and whoever else they can recommend to help and support you in this. It sounds like you've made some positive changes so far to reduce you A1C levels. Are you entering your numbers into MFP, as to how many calories, etc. it says you should be taking in to reach your weight goals? Carbs are important, yes, especially when it comes to being diabetic, but calories count heavily too. Is your main issue junk food, eating too much of everything, no exercise....? Pick your main issue and find small ways to tweek those. If it's exercise, take a walk around the block and keep increasing it as your stamina increases, don't over think, just do it. I can talk myself out of exercising way too easily because I've always been the lazy type. If it's junk food, think about what attracts you to particular foods, then try to find acceptable alternates. If it's eating too much altogether, try to do more veggies, etc. that may fill you up more. Chew gum, drink coffee or tea.(those are my 2 go-to's for when I truly want something NOW)
It's not easy looking at the big picture but if you step back and look at your possible future living the way you're living, that might scare you enough to make the needed changes. But really, it sounds like you are looking for as much support as you can get and because you're dealing with diabetes, you need to talk with the trusted professionals in your life.
Do you cook at all? It might help to get some diabetic-specific recipes and try something different. Food can get boring if you eat the same thing day-in day-out and sometimes our want/need for more food just stems from wanting different foods. I know that's my case sometimes.
Think of the foods you DO like and build on those, unless you're talking foods like *I* would pick, such as cookies and ice cream.
Find other enjoyable activities to occupy yourself besides eat, work, sleep. Create new habits to rid yourself of the old. Ex. If 1 of your habits consists of eating while watching TV, then have a cup of coffee or tea instead; better yet plug in some music and go for a short walk.
I wish you a lot of luck in your journey, it's not easy but sometimes it boils down to 'just do it'. HUGS to you!!2 -
As a diabetic you need to limit (not not eliminate) your carbs, and not just sugar. You also need to pair your carbs with protein and fat to help your body process the carbs better.
You absolutely need to be working with your doctor(s) to find the right diabetic meal plan for you to get your blood glucose/sugar levels in check.
You need to accurately weigh and log your food and diligently check your sugar either 1 or 3 hours after eating (whatever your doctor recommends and then be consistent about it). If the reading is too high that means you ate too many carbs, the wrong kind of carbs, and/or not enough protein with your carbs. The next time you eat those foods you need to make a tweak until the numbers are in an acceptable range.2 -
You may want to look into whether there's a diabetes clinic/education centre in your area. They could probably give you all the advice you need.3
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Release. Believe. Transform.1
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Diatonic12 wrote: »Release. Believe. Transform.
What? That doesn’t work with diabetes, you need to do specific things to lower blood sugar, not just “believe” or any other touchy feely thing. This is terrible advice!
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I've visited with Mr. B. several times. He knows me and we've already discussed diabetes.
Release. Believe. Transform. That's a big part of integrative counseling and healing. It's far, far more than touchy feely or hippy dippy imaginary nonsense.6 -
I agree first talk with your doctor to send you to a nutritionist. I did and it has helped me make the best decision to loose the weight and get healthier. I was boarder line diabetic and i was put on a low fat and low carb diet immediately. I started researching about eating healthy and what to change in my diet. So i chose clean eating. I have been doing this for six years now. I have lost one hundred and forty pounds from this life style change. I also had WLS to help me reach my goal. Before surgery i had lost forty pounds on my changing of my eating to clean healthy eating. You can also do this but with help of a nutritionist and doctors. I am not considering that you have surgery but that can help, but talk to your doctor about it and do your research.3
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Why so low on the carbs? Diabetes UK says to limit to 130g a day. I think the US dietary recommendation is higher than that. Maybe consider keto once you've got a handle on what foods keep you satiated.
As said above, make sure you have some protein and/or fats with your carbs.
Whilst you're waiting for insurance and the ability to meet with a professional, focus on eating balanced meals within your calories and, ideally, as close to your macros as possible. Increase your protein and vegetable portions if you can - the protein will help keep you feeling fuller and so will the bulk-eating of more veg.
On days where your meal plan roughly equals your calories / macros goal, make a note of what you ate that day so that you can repeat it again.0 -
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There exist free National diabetes association websites from pretty much every nation in the world.
Once you've read them all and seen the recommendations they offer in common you will have a good idea of what is currently considered accepted conventional advise.
You should probably have that grounding before exploring suggestions from less mainstream sources
The National kidney foundation also offers information and had a very active obesity research Division and due to the risks of diabetes often serves similar populations
All the above info is available for free4 -
If you are sonpoor, why aren't you on Medicaid?1
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TheLastMrBig wrote: »i won't have a doctor or nutritionist until my insurance kick in. Its waiting game ...yes I have primary doctor at local clinic but they can't help the poor ..money talks
I dont understand - if you do not have a doctor, how are you getting insulin scripts and blood test results??
genuine question - since I am not familiar with medical system in other countries, I presume in your case USA?
Anyway, Pav is right.
Obviously you have access to the internet - look up guidelines of reputable diabetic associations, or even general nutritional guidelines (since the diet diabetics should eat isnt much removed from what rest of us should, its just more crucial that you do it ) - and take on board their guidelines.
it won't be personalised to you, of course - but it will give a good general over view that you can work with.
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OP, you can get tons of useful info here
https://www.diabetes.org/
from info about carbs to diet to exercise and more.
this is an excellent book that was recommended to me by the owner of the clinic where i was first diagnosed as type 2 - https://www.amazon.com/First-Year-Diabetes-Essential-Diagnosed/dp/073821860X/ - it has a lot of useful info, and not just for the newly diagnosed. it was much more helpful than the lame dietician that i went to, btw, and after looking up much of the info on reputable webistes, the writer knows more about type 2 than many doctors i've gone to.
you've cut your A1c a LOT, cutting more carbs may not be the answer. it does take time because it basically reads 3 months of your blood sugar, and the past two months won't change because your sugar is lower today/paperpudding wrote: »I dont understand - if you do not have a doctor, how are you getting insulin scripts and blood test results??
genuine question - since I am not familiar with medical system in other countries, I presume in your case USA?
Anyway, Pav is right.
Obviously you have access to the internet - look up guidelines of reputable diabetic associations, or even general nutritional guidelines (since the diet diabetics should eat isnt much removed from what rest of us should, its just more crucial that you do it ) - and take on board their guidelines.
it won't be personalised to you, of course - but it will give a good general over view that you can work with.
he could be getting his insulin prescriptions from a free clinic, a program like medi-cal (crappy health insurance for the poor in california, pays little and doesn't cover many things, there have other versions in other states) that doesn't cover everything but will cover a doctor and insulin, or he could pay cash to a clinic for the minimum.2 -
Oh ok - so "I don't have a doctor" wasn't a literal statement - he would have a doctor (or different doctors on a roster type system at a free clinic) and access to at least basic medical care.
That makes more sense.1 -
OMAD! Fasting will heal your body. Dry fast for 23 hours will do wonders to your body. Of course talk with your Dr. Before starting OMAD. I'm in week 3 and I've lost 15 pounds eating 1 meal a day for 6 days and 2 meals a day for 1 day (not a cheat day, I'm still at my 1600 but I split it in 2 lol
Best of luck mate.0 -
texastechguy210 wrote: »OMAD! Fasting will heal your body. Dry fast for 23 hours will do wonders to your body. Of course talk with your Dr. Before starting OMAD. I'm in week 3 and I've lost 15 pounds eating 1 meal a day for 6 days and 2 meals a day for 1 day (not a cheat day, I'm still at my 1600 but I split it in 2 lol
Best of luck mate.
This is terrible advice for a diabetic.
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Presumably whoever disagreed with ALZ14 isn't diabetic.
Losing 15lbs in 3 weeks is also terrible advice. Telling someone to talk to their Dr when the entire post has focused on the fact that the OP doesn't have medical insurance and therefore doesn't have a Dr to talk to also isn't overly helpful.5 -
OP as you can already see, not all the advice is going to be good advice.
Please do some research so you can have an idea of specifics to discuss with a doctor once your insurance kicks in.1 -
texastechguy210 wrote: »OMAD! Fasting will heal your body. Dry fast for 23 hours will do wonders to your body. Of course talk with your Dr. Before starting OMAD. I'm in week 3 and I've lost 15 pounds eating 1 meal a day for 6 days and 2 meals a day for 1 day (not a cheat day, I'm still at my 1600 but I split it in 2 lol
Best of luck mate.
This is terrible advice for a diabetic.
Agreed.
At least he said talk to a doctor about it first - cannot imagine any doctor endorsing a diabetic on insulin doing this.
It's actually bad advice for anyone.
For people whom OMAD suits, sure, do it.
But it doesn't do any wonders to heal your body - it is just a style of eating that suits some people.
The majority of people probably not a good fit for. Definitely not insulin dependent diabetics.
And, unless you are very overweight, 5 lbs per week is far too aggressive a rate.
And I wouldn't be drawing too many conclusions after just 3 weeks anyway. .
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