Soy in products (vent)

ebgbjo

Ugh! So sick of so many products having soy in them. Soy lecithin, soy protein, soy isolate, soybeans, soy soy soy!!

Products touting themselves as healthy shouldn't have soy in it, especially the soy that is so overprocessed in American (unlike in other countries) that it actually can interfere with your thyroid.

Stupid soy. My barely function thyroid hates you.

/rant

jayjay12345654321

Soy and other items that interfere with synthetic thyroid absorption such as fiber, iron and calcium, are OK as long as you wait up to 4 hours to eat those items or take those supplements after taking your meds. I've been doing it for a while and my T4 count has remained at top levels despite iron/calcium supplements and a diet that includes soy and high fiber on a daily basis.

ebgbjo

No, people who are hypothyroid should avoid soy products all together. Has nothing to do with your meds, but with your actual thyroid.

snazzyjazzy21

Is soy bad for people who don't have a thyroid problem? Because I always hear stuff like 'soy is badddd' but have no idea why...

MelMoly

like this post! seriously plus its really hard to find a NON GMO soy product!

TheRealParisLove

Unfermented soy products have been shown to be problematic in laboratory studies.

Here's an article about it. It's a technical slog written by a doctor, but the information is backed by science. I was at my worst health when I was a vegetarian and eating soy products on a weekly basis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/soy-health_b_1822466.html

Trechechus

Soy is my primary source of protein, but thanks for telling me that my morals are unhealthy.

Trechechus

like this post! seriously plus its really hard to find a NON GMO soy product!

Gardein and Morning Star Farms use non GMO soy.

snazzyjazzy21

Unfermented soy products have been shown to be problematic in laboratory studies.

Here's an article about it. It's a technical slog written by a doctor, but the information is backed by science. I was at my worst health when I was a vegetarian and eating soy products on a weekly basis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/soy-health_b_1822466.html

Good thing I love technical jargon! Thanks for the link, it was a good read! I tried soy milk once but couldn't stomach it, but I've been considering almond instead to take with my protein powder.

ebgbjo

Soy is my primary source of protein, but thanks for telling me that my morals are unhealthy.

Apparently you missed the part about my thyroid not working. Or the part where I didn't say anything about your morals *roll eyes*

jenilla1

...I tried soy milk once but couldn't stomach it, but I've been considering almond instead to take with my protein powder.

Almond milk is awesome! Sweetened is delicious but it's too much sugar for me, so I use unsweetened and add a little stevia to it when I want it sweeter. :drinker:

rainbowbow

I also have thyroid problems. Thank gosh for Quorn products!

jenilla1

Ugh! So sick of so many products having soy in them. Soy lecithin, soy protein, soy isolate, soybeans, soy soy soy!!...

Avoid most processed foods and you will avoid soy entirely. I have sensitivies to a few things so I have to cook most of my food from scratch. It's not convenient but it's worth it to me to be healthy. :flowerforyou:

jayjay12345654321

No, people who are hypothyroid should avoid soy products all together. Has nothing to do with your meds, but with your actual thyroid.

You should read up on that. I am hypothyroid. That's why I take meds. I eat what my doc laid out for me on the diet suggestions after he diagnosed me. That includes fermented soy being OK as long as I wait to eat it after the meds have been absorbed. Processed soy is made from GMOs and is to be avoided anyway, like the young lady above mentioned. The examples you listed are all processed. Check the Mayo Clinic web page. It has some good articles. Or talk to your doctor again.

The only thing my doctor said MAY benefit me to avoid is gluten since it causes some people to develop antibodies that confuse gluten and thyroid and initiate an auto-immune effect attacking the thyroid. By avoiding gluten, I avoid most processed foods; and thereby, don't encounter processed soy, either.

Nasoya and Simple Truth Organic are good non-GMO brands to look in to.

tigersword

Unfermented soy products have been shown to be problematic in laboratory studies.

Here's an article about it. It's a technical slog written by a doctor, but the information is backed by science. I was at my worst health when I was a vegetarian and eating soy products on a weekly basis.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/soy-health_b_1822466.html

Unfermented raw soy can be problematic, but cooking it does the same thing as fermenting it.

Nothing wrong with soy, just don't eat it raw. Which is a common sense reminder that applies to a lot of foods.

I actually prefer soy milk to almond milk, as soy milk has much more protein. Really, the healthy part of the almond is the fat, which most almond milks don't have.

ebgbjo

I have spoke to my doctor (actually quite a few of them as I am military and move around) about this same issue, as well as an RD and as well as reading enough about it in my RD courses to know I don't want it in my body.

No, people who are hypothyroid should avoid soy products all together. Has nothing to do with your meds, but with your actual thyroid.

You should read up on that. I am hypothyroid. That's why I take meds. I eat what my doc laid out for me on the diet suggestions after he diagnosed me. That includes fermented soy being OK as long as I wait to eat it after the meds have been absorbed. Processed soy is made from GMOs and is to be avoided anyway, like the young lady above mentioned. The examples you listed are all processed. Check the Mayo Clinic web page. It has some good articles. Or talk to your doctor again.

The only thing my doctor said MAY benefit me to avoid is gluten since it causes some people to develop antibodies that confuse gluten and thyroid and initiate an auto-immune effect attacking the thyroid. By avoiding gluten, I avoid most processed foods; and thereby, don't encounter processed soy, either.

Nasoya and Simple Truth Organic are good non-GMO brands to look in to.

jayjay12345654321

I have spoke to my doctor (actually quite a few of them as I am military and move around) about this same issue, as well as an RD and as well as reading enough about it in my RD courses to know I don't want it in my body.

OK. Then don't eat processed foods. Problem solved.

Beezil

Fermented soy is alright - no clue if it's okay for people with thyroid problems, but for those who have a healthy thyroid it should be fine...

GiGiBeans

Seriously! Why in the world is soy even in most american brands of canned tuna? In vitamins? It's very annoying.

Beezil

Because it's cheap and makes a good filler as far as most food manufacturing companies are concerned.

GordonWayneWatts

Ugh! So sick of so many products having soy in them. Soy lecithin, soy protein, soy isolate, soybeans, soy soy soy!!

Products touting themselves as healthy shouldn't have soy in it, especially the soy that is so overprocessed in American (unlike in other countries) that it actually can interfere with your thyroid.

Stupid soy. My barely function thyroid hates you.

/rant

Some people are allergic to say (I think it is because the seed had a "self-defense" mechanism to protect itself?)

But for those people, many good vegan alternatives exist to obtain plenty of well-balanced protein.

You can:

#1 - do your research to see which foods are high risk (I have read that regular old processed supermarket milk is a huge cancer risk -much worse than raw milk, but the latter, raw milk from cows that have not been treated with hormones, etc., is not easily available anymore) - Don't take my word on what"s healthy or not - do your own research.

#2 - for those allergic to soy, many vegan alternatives exist: And plenty taste great!

soupandcookies

I am very interested in this, because I have some hormonal issues (I don't naturally cycle, on my own, without meds). I was a vegetarian for years, and consumed huge amounts of soy (never even considered non-gmo, back then). I read the Huff Post article, but I'm wondering how much of this is reputable, and if everyone is sensitive to those effects. Also, how does soy affect someone with a thyroid issue? I mean, does it affect your actual thyroid, or make it harder to lose weight, or something else? I posted something about this, a few weeks ago, but didn't get many bites. I notice that I seem to gain weight more easily, when I eat soy, and I'm wondering if there's anything behind that...

tigersword

I am very interested in this, because I have some hormonal issues (I don't naturally cycle, on my own, without meds). I was a vegetarian for years, and consumed huge amounts of soy (never even considered non-gmo, back then). I read the Huff Post article, but I'm wondering how much of this is reputable, and if everyone is sensitive to those effects. Also, how does soy affect someone with a thyroid issue? I mean, does it affect your actual thyroid, or make it harder to lose weight, or something else? I posted something about this, a few weeks ago, but didn't get many bites. I notice that I seem to gain weight more easily, when I eat soy, and I'm wondering if there's anything behind that...

That article was from Dr. Mercola, it's not reputable at all. That guy is one of the biggest fear mongerer/quacks I've seen, along with Dr. Lustig, Dr. Oz, and Gary Taubes.

poupoush

OK this might sound silly, and I'm not American so I'm not aware of all the soy in food products...But East Asian food (Japanese, Chinese) consist of a lot of soy and soybean curd in their diets but have never come across it as having an affect on hormonal balance/imbalance. why is that?

missa3428

I hate that they use it for a filler in EVERYTHING!!! I have PCOS and we should stay away from soy at all cost as it causes us to have HIGH estrogen. I am already looking for fat, carbs, and sugar. Now I am looking for SOY as well. You would be surprised at how much soy is in everything. This is why I had to start making things from scratch because it is in EVERYTHING!!! We wonder why people are getting cancer more these days than they used to. It’s because of the Soy and the Hormones from animals we eat as they put in the Hormones and Antibiotics in the cows and chickens we eat here in America!!

tigersword

OK this might sound silly, and I'm not American so I'm not aware of all the soy in food products...But East Asian food (Japanese, Chinese) consist of a lot of soy and soybean curd in their diets but have never come across it as having an affect on hormonal balance/imbalance. why is that?

For healthy human beings, it doesn't cause any problems. It can be problematic for people with specific medical conditions, but that can be said for any food.

The whole "soy is bad" is just a bunch of fear no getting by American marketing geniuses. These guys have people so afraid to eat anything, that they are all willing to pay ridiculous prices for alternatives. It really is marketing genius by the food industry. People are scared of hfcs, so now companies are offering hfcs free versions of products and getting almost double the price for them. People are afraid of soy, so they pay more money for soy free versions. They are afraid of soda, so they pay more for bottles of water instead.

It's really pretty amazing when you look at it from a money standpoint.

GordonWayneWatts

OK this might sound silly, and I'm not American so I'm not aware of all the soy in food products...But East Asian food (Japanese, Chinese) consist of a lot of soy and soybean curd in their diets but have never come across it as having an affect on hormonal balance/imbalance. why is that?

I would guess that how the food is processed might play more of a role than we might imagine.

Furthermore, I think that the dangers of soy are exaggerated, and this too may play a role.

Lastly, in some countries where soy is popular, they also have many other healthier lifestyles in both their diet, exercise, and levels of stress, which may help the people's health even more than if all things were equal.

GordonWayneWatts

I hate that they use it for a filler in EVERYTHING!!! I have PCOS and we should stay away from soy at all cost as it causes us to have HIGH estrogen. I am already looking for fat, carbs, and sugar. Now I am looking for SOY as well. You would be surprised at how much soy is in everything. This is why I had to start making things from scratch because it is in EVERYTHING!!! We wonder why people are getting cancer more these days than they used to. It’s because of the Soy and the Hormones from animals we eat as they put in the Hormones and Antibiotics in the cows and chickens we eat here in America!!

I agree, Missa!

We not only eat unhealthy foods, but those foods which we *do* eat are processed way too much, and have chemicals (e.g., antibiotics, hormones, etc.) added -and the cows are fed corn, not grass -and over-milked (stressful, affecting the quality of milk, I'm sure). I would respectfully disagree that soy is bad (though some people are allergic to it), but what we eat, HOW MUCH we eat, and the processing and chemicals all play a role.

PapaverSomniferum

My daughter has a soy intolerance. I had to completely re-learn how to cook, after being a vegetarian-bordering-vegan my whole life.

Now she regularly gets ill because she'll eat something she assumes is safe (popcorn, hamburgers, and chicken strips were lately culprits) but it's full of soy.

The poor kid can hardly even eat chocolate.

Soy is in EVERYTHING.

GirlWithCookies

Ugh! So sick of so many products having soy in them. Soy lecithin, soy protein, soy isolate, soybeans, soy soy soy!!

Products touting themselves as healthy shouldn't have soy in it, especially the soy that is so overprocessed in American (unlike in other countries) that it actually can interfere with your thyroid.

Stupid soy. My barely function thyroid hates you.

/rant

THIS. I don't know yet if I have thyroid problems (waiting to go the endocrinologist), but I have interstitial cystitis. People with IC are supposed to avoid soy products as much as possible, and you couldn't be more right! It's everywhere! Everything from crackers to ice cream. It's crazy.