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My New Eating and Exercise Plan.

tsazanitsazani Member Posts: 753 Member Member Posts: 753 Member
I'm at goal weight. T2D since 2005. In remission.

I eat a 2400 cal LCHF diet. Most days with IF 18:6. Twice a month I do a 48 hr water fast. When I water fast I avoid exercise.

I'm thinking of increasing to 3600 cal and doing TWO 36hr water fasts per week. Every Wed and Sun. This means I will eat 3 meals per day on Thur and Mon.

Effectively I'll be eating 5 days per week. My goal is to maximize the time I'm NOT eating AND maintain my weight.

Good idea? Or not?
edited May 8

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  • ninerbuffninerbuff Member, Greeter Posts: 45,215 Member Member, Greeter Posts: 45,215 Member
    So what do you mean maximize your time? You aren't doing anything the 2 days you fast physical wise. And the REALITY is to maintain weight, you just don't exceed your calorie intake versus your calories burned in any day. So do you fast because you CAN'T control how much you eat in a day?

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  • tsazanitsazani Member Posts: 753 Member Member Posts: 753 Member
    DM2 means type 2 diabetes. I've had it for 15 years. Add another probably 15-20 years of fatty liver ("the 18 yr silent scream") which means 30 years of IR (insulin resistance) making myself sicker and sicker without even realizing it.

    I could just do keto which for me is 20-25g net carbs. And I did. For a year. Serious keto dieters say less than 20g TOTAL carbs.

    But the idea of just eating animal flesh, eggs, cheese, butter, olive oil and a maybe bit of broccoli is not how I want to live for the rest of my life. When I'm in ketosis people around who don't do keto tell me I stink. It's true.

    But I LOVE the mental clarity and high energy levels I feel when I do my water fasts. I can say I'm addicted to it. It's far better high than the "endorphin high" one enjoys after vigorous exercise. Which, btw, is not due to endorphins but to endocannabanoids (your internal MJ). But that's another conversation.

    So I eat more carbs (80-100 g net) and compensate with fasting. Both IF and water fasting.

    Most physicians and nutritionists are useless. As was I until about 5 years ago. I'm a retired internal medicine physician. I NOW realize that my practice of chronic disease patients had a common root cause: insulin resistance.

    Almost all physicians and nutritionists operate on the "energy balance model". AKA CICO. AKA "a calorie is a calorie". I operate on the "carbohydrate insulin model".

    Thankfully a lot of docs like yours truely are finally realizing that HORMONES (mainly elevated insulin) is the cause of MOST of the chronic diseases that are ravaging modern societies.

    Fasting is kryptonite to obesity snd T2D. I want to spend as much time as I can fasting but at the same time maintain my weight.
    edited May 9
  • tsazanitsazani Member Posts: 753 Member Member Posts: 753 Member
    Same things used to happen to me when I used to eat a low fat (high carb) diet.

    It's called being "hangry". See my post above for my detailed explanation.

    You need to snack constantly. Snacking is one of the worst things you can do for your health. But it keeps the "hangary" at bay.
    charmmeth wrote: »
    It would definitely not work for me; I need my regular food intake or I get headachy and very bad tempered! But I am not you. What for you are the advantages of doing this, and what are the disadvantages?

    edited May 9
  • tumbleweed7834tumbleweed7834 Member, Premium Posts: 19 Member Member, Premium Posts: 19 Member
    So your hormones are unbalanced and a nutritionist can’t fix it. So you starve yourself. . . . It sounds like maintenance is harder than losing so the pounds come back on so you can lose again. At least you are trying something!
  • NovusDiesNovusDies Member, Premium Posts: 8,936 Member Member, Premium Posts: 8,936 Member
    I am a fan of experimentation but I am fairly opposed to a major shift in something that seems to be working. Ask yourself if there are other areas of your life that could still use improving to further a healthy lifestyle. Things like sleep hygiene, mental hygiene, relationships, stress management, daily habits, organization, etc. People tend to get too focused on food and exercise and ignore the other parts of a healthy lifestyle.

    Also, the evidence that supports fasting helping insulin resistance is only for ~16 hour fasts. There is none, to my knowledge, that says more is better in humans. There is evidence to support that if you are not careful you can be burning muscle in prolonged fasts.

  • xrj22xrj22 Member, Premium Posts: 38 Member Member, Premium Posts: 38 Member
    That sounds like a diet, not maintenance to me. I do believe in occasional fasting for spiritual reasons or a time to re-set check-in about priorities and discipline. However, I clearly do not function my best (mentally, athletically, or socially) when fasting. I just don't think we are built for that to be an optimal state. Doing it weekly is not something I would aim for.

    You seem to be using fasting as a treatment for your diabetes. Have you checked in on whether that sort of treatment is still necessary at your current weight? Although fasting does not have the same side effects as medications, I still see it as a treatment with risks and side effects.
  • suzij27suzij27 Member Posts: 155 Member Member Posts: 155 Member
    I heard a discussion of this method on The Diet Doctor podcast. I believe it was episode #2, but it might have been #12. It was discussed as a means to cure those with severe metabolic disorders such as you are describing.

    Longtimers on MFP seem to only support CICO, which perhaps is what you are suggesting doing, just on a weekly not a daily basis. If your health markers are not where they need to be at a normal weight and with regular exercise, perhaps this “tool” is one to explore with your doctor(s).

    Good luck!
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