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Why won’t some people use diabetic maintenance meds?
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NO T2D meds! Zip. Zero. None.
They are ALL tricks or force (insulin) to get / make your liver and muscles take in more glucose.
I'm an internal medicine physician. TODAY I advise against ALL T2D meds. T2D is reversed by DIET and good SLEEP. I try and get my patients to get rid of their meds. If they can. It's not easy. Patients don't realize that their IR (insulin resistance) is KILLING them SLOWLY. Meds just mask the problem.
When I ate the SAD diet and did "no pain no gain exercise" I was overweight (highest BMI = 29.5) and diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2005 (highest A1c = 6.7). Same thing with my patients. Fatter and sicker taking more and more meds. My T2D meds WERE Metformin and Victoza. I also took 3 meds for blood pressure. one med for high cholesterol, and one med for inflamed prostate.
Then I REDISCOVERED Atkins. Since following a HEALTHY (i.e. real food) Atkins diet my T2D is reversed (A1c + 5.1) and I'm at my ideal (HS graduation) weight (BMI = 23.5). I no longer NEED or TAKE those SEVEN medications.
My husband’s T2D was caused by exposure to a defoliant, not lack of exercise or poor diet.
I am not sure how this advice would help him. I don’t think it would.4 -
NO T2D meds! Zip. Zero. None.
They are ALL tricks or force (insulin) to get / make your liver and muscles take in more glucose.
I'm an internal medicine physician. TODAY I advise against ALL T2D meds. T2D is reversed by DIET and good SLEEP. I try and get my patients to get rid of their meds. If they can. It's not easy. Patients don't realize that their IR (insulin resistance) is KILLING them SLOWLY. Meds just mask the problem.
When I ate the SAD diet and did "no pain no gain exercise" I was overweight (highest BMI = 29.5) and diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2005 (highest A1c = 6.7). Same thing with my patients. Fatter and sicker taking more and more meds. My T2D meds WERE Metformin and Victoza. I also took 3 meds for blood pressure. one med for high cholesterol, and one med for inflamed prostate.
Then I REDISCOVERED Atkins. Since following a HEALTHY (i.e. real food) Atkins diet my T2D is reversed (A1c + 5.1) and I'm at my ideal (HS graduation) weight (BMI = 23.5). I no longer NEED or TAKE those SEVEN medications.
I don’t believe you are a physician because no physician worth anything would give this dangerous and horrible advice! None of the doctors I work with would endorse this message and we see diabetic patients daily.
Totally agree.
also anyone can say "I am a physician" - like we have seen many posts on this forum saying " I am a scientist" followed by extremely unscientific claims
Yes, weight reduction, if one is over weight, can reduce some people's need for type 2 diabetic meds and BP meds, sometimes to less than before, sometimes to nil.
They are still diabetic though - just now diet controlled.
and in the meantime or if that is not successful, it is still important to reduce blood sugars - carrying high blood sugars leads to complications and is not something to leave untreated
I see diabetic patients regularly too, working in a medical practice - yes, I know I could just be saying that too- but national guidelines of all countries support what I am saying.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »NO T2D meds! Zip. Zero. None.
They are ALL tricks or force (insulin) to get / make your liver and muscles take in more glucose.
I'm an internal medicine physician. TODAY I advise against ALL T2D meds. T2D is reversed by DIET and good SLEEP. I try and get my patients to get rid of their meds. If they can. It's not easy. Patients don't realize that their IR (insulin resistance) is KILLING them SLOWLY. Meds just mask the problem.
When I ate the SAD diet and did "no pain no gain exercise" I was overweight (highest BMI = 29.5) and diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2005 (highest A1c = 6.7). Same thing with my patients. Fatter and sicker taking more and more meds. My T2D meds WERE Metformin and Victoza. I also took 3 meds for blood pressure. one med for high cholesterol, and one med for inflamed prostate.
Then I REDISCOVERED Atkins. Since following a HEALTHY (i.e. real food) Atkins diet my T2D is reversed (A1c + 5.1) and I'm at my ideal (HS graduation) weight (BMI = 23.5). I no longer NEED or TAKE those SEVEN medications.
I don’t believe you are a physician because no physician worth anything would give this dangerous and horrible advice! None of the doctors I work with would endorse this message and we see diabetic patients daily.
Totally agree.
also anyone can say "I am a physician" - like we have seen many posts on this forum saying " I am a scientist" followed by extremely unscientific claims
Yes, weight reduction, if one is over weight, can reduce some people's need for type 2 diabetic meds and BP meds, sometimes to less than before, sometimes to nil.
They are still diabetic though - just now diet controlled.
and in the meantime or if that is not successful, it is still important to reduce blood sugars - carrying high blood sugars leads to complications and is not something to leave untreated
I see diabetic patients regularly too, working in a medical practice - yes, I know I could just be saying that too- but national guidelines of all countries support what I am saying.
I do believe that @tsazani is an MD.
That said, there’s a reason “appeal to authority” is a logical fallacy.5 -
I have not seen those posts, but I am guessing, besides from side effects and cost, it is a desire not to be dependent on medication. Or, like people who don’t finish antibiotics because they feel better. They may be in denial of the illness. I am just guessing. Here is an article on medication adherence
https://medcitynews.com/2021/08/the-behavioral-economic-challenges-of-medication-adherence/
I take metformin and do experience gi distress. My dr lowered the dosage which helps. I just was taken off of januvia. I would love to be able to control it by diet alone. I just don’t see that happening. Never thought of not taking my meds.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »NO T2D meds! Zip. Zero. None.
They are ALL tricks or force (insulin) to get / make your liver and muscles take in more glucose.
I'm an internal medicine physician. TODAY I advise against ALL T2D meds. T2D is reversed by DIET and good SLEEP. I try and get my patients to get rid of their meds. If they can. It's not easy. Patients don't realize that their IR (insulin resistance) is KILLING them SLOWLY. Meds just mask the problem.
When I ate the SAD diet and did "no pain no gain exercise" I was overweight (highest BMI = 29.5) and diagnosed with type 2 diabetes in 2005 (highest A1c = 6.7). Same thing with my patients. Fatter and sicker taking more and more meds. My T2D meds WERE Metformin and Victoza. I also took 3 meds for blood pressure. one med for high cholesterol, and one med for inflamed prostate.
Then I REDISCOVERED Atkins. Since following a HEALTHY (i.e. real food) Atkins diet my T2D is reversed (A1c + 5.1) and I'm at my ideal (HS graduation) weight (BMI = 23.5). I no longer NEED or TAKE those SEVEN medications.
I don’t believe you are a physician because no physician worth anything would give this dangerous and horrible advice! None of the doctors I work with would endorse this message and we see diabetic patients daily.
Totally agree.
also anyone can say "I am a physician" - like we have seen many posts on this forum saying " I am a scientist" followed by extremely unscientific claims
Yes, weight reduction, if one is over weight, can reduce some people's need for type 2 diabetic meds and BP meds, sometimes to less than before, sometimes to nil.
They are still diabetic though - just now diet controlled.
and in the meantime or if that is not successful, it is still important to reduce blood sugars - carrying high blood sugars leads to complications and is not something to leave untreated
I see diabetic patients regularly too, working in a medical practice - yes, I know I could just be saying that too- but national guidelines of all countries support what I am saying.
True! No one is saying don’t make lifestyle changes. His advise is downright dangerous and irresponsible. It goes against the standard of care and all accepted guidelines too.4 -
"True! No one is saying don’t make lifestyle changes. His advise is downright dangerous and irresponsible. It goes against the standard of care and all accepted guidelines too."
The standard of care is just WRONG. It has been for AT least 40 years. Probably MORE.
I STRICTLY followed the USA JOKE of care with my patients and myself for 30 years. We just got FATTER and SICKER.
Lesson learned. You can't exercise away a crappy diet. Believe me. I tried.
This "SOC" got ME to overweight (BMI = 29.5). T2D (A1C = 6.7). And taking 7 different meds.
Today I'm at ideal weight (BMI = 23.5). Diabetes gone. (A1c = 5.1). I was able to eliminate 7 meds.
Now I go 180 AGAINST the HARMFUL USA Joke of Care. My patients and I are now THINNER and HEALTHIER.
I believe that's the goal. Right?
This just shows a complete lack of any form of insight. No one is arguing that weight loss and exercise are among the best treatments for people with T2DM. They are arguing that your blanket statement against medical treatment of type 2 diabetes is completely unsupported by any form of evidence. And your constant reiteration of this nonsense is actually dangerous. There are loads of folk with T2DM with absolutely no pancreatic function left: how is diet going to fix them when they cannot produce insulin?
It's not impossible that you are a doctor: I've met a few doctors who think they've solved a longstanding medical issue as though they have some insight that has been deprived the rest of us. Sometimes that are charlatans, sometimes they are deluded. But you are simply wrong and you should remove your posts, before someone reads them and harms themselves based on your nonsense.12 -
The Atkins diet has been proven to cause heart disease.6
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My GOALS for my patients are the same I set for myself.
FBS < 100
A1c < 5
Fasting insulin < 5
HDL > 75
TG < 75
My approach:
Healthy Atkins diet
Fasting
Low intensity exercise
Improve sleep
Reduce stress
No meds. No tricks (ACV, cinnamon, berberine, etc).
The patients you admit you cherry pick.
Which definitely skews your results.9 -
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neanderthin wrote: »
None. It's total BS. Atkins (LCHF) CURES heart disease. Pritikin (low fat) CAUSES heart disease.
I have SEVERAL patients (myself included) who demonstrate REAL and SIGNIFICANT reductions of coronary artery obstructions on our Coronary CT Calcium scans.
You guys pass around a lot of cute "bro science".
I actually understand, study, and DO this stuff. With great success I must add.
I would like to see the peer reviewed meta analysis journal article that makes this conclusion.7 -
"Have you got any peer reviewed journal articles that support your claim that Atkins cures heart disease?"
Yes I do. I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
Have you any peer reviewed journal articles saying a low fat diet cures heart disease?
You are the one making the claim.
I am politely asking for a citation or two.
Since you are an MD, I assume you’re up on the literature? More so than a disabled, retired, relatively low income and thus unable to afford access to expensive journals, individual like myself.
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"There are loads of folk with T2DM with absolutely no pancreatic function left: how is diet going to fix them when they cannot produce insulin?"
or in the private healthcare sector where I work.
So it's a charlatan then?
Also you lost a fraction of your diabetes there Dr DM1.5...
What a joke.
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autobahn66 wrote: »
To be fair, there are many causes of diabetes.
DM1.5 is a real thing.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-1-diabetes/expert-answers/lada-diabetes/faq-20057880
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