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Anyone else frustrated with the CICO mantra?

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  • Posts: 2,995 Member

    This isn't exactly a wholehearted endorsement.
    Also, this review is not written by the American Diabetes Association. It's a review published in an ADA journal and it was written by a blogger who has diabetes and is a consumer advocate but claims no medical or scientific experience or training.

    Fair.
    But I think “controversial” would be a better word than “quack”
  • Posts: 2,995 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Because it caters to ADA more than others? I mean of course the ADA would endorse him more than say a high carb book writer on weight loss.

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    I didn’t say the ADA endorsed Dr Fong.

  • Posts: 2,995 Member

    I don't think anyone denies that people have had success with Fung's approach. The truth is that any eating style that creates weight loss tends to improve the chronic diseases associated with excess weight.

    The issue is whether or not the people touting a particular diet are correct when they make claims that they've found the ONLY way to control weight.

    Some people have also had success with John McDougall's high carbohydrate plant-based diet when it comes to chronic disease control and weight management, but this doesn't mean he's found the only way to control weight. To the extent that he (or Fung) make claims that weight control requires eating according to their plan, they're being quacks.

    From what I know of Fung's plan, it's a healthy way to eat. It's just not (IMO) the ONLY healthy way to eat and that's where I think he crosses the line.

    My original point was that calling Fung a “quack” was uncalled for.

    And, sadly, lots of people think their way is the only way.
  • Posts: 7,830 Member

    I like "flim flam man" and I'm doing my best to bring it back.

    Can the flim flam man sell s'moreos?

  • Posts: 2,995 Member

    I like "flim flam man" and I'm doing my best to bring it back.

    Thing is, some people have success with his method. Unlike something like laetrile, which absolutely is quackery.
  • Posts: 2,995 Member

    What would you describe this sales pitch as?

    "Everything you believe about how to lose weight is wrong. Weight gain and obesity are driven by hormones—in everyone—and only by understanding the effects of the hormones insulin and insulin resistance can we achieve lasting weight loss."

    This is the beginning of the item description of "The Obesity Code" on Amazon.

    The truth is that thousands and thousands of people are able to manage their weight long-term without giving thought one to insulin and insulin resistance.

    This is the essence of quackery. Only I have the information that can help you. Everyone else is wrong. You're doomed without me.

    Doctors disagree frequently.
    In my opinion what makes someone a quack is intentional dishonesty just to make a buck.

    Like Andrew Wakefield.
    Or psychics who milk Grandma for every dime she has in hopes of speaking to Grandpa.

    Fung is controversial. And, obviously not everyone’s cup of tea. But I haven’t yet seen any evidence that his methods are harmful.
    Although If such evidence turns up? Especially if he doesn’t back off in light of such evidence? Then ya. I’ll call him a quack at that point.
  • Posts: 2,995 Member

    "Mendacious shyster" is better. Now let's do Mercola! 🙂

    Yes. Let’s. Please.

    Mercola’s name is a frequent find on Quackwatch
    https://quackwatch.org/?s&_sf_s=Mercola

    I am limited to my phone, but I was unable to find Fung mentioned even once. Maybe it’s there?
  • Posts: 2,995 Member
    "Weight loss is hormones not calories" is lying to make a buck. Doctors saying false things like that is probably part of why everybody doesn't know CICO, to bring this full circle.

    Hormones aren’t involved? 🤨

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