Thoughts on this decision?
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I'm suprised this thread is going so well.
Well Duh lol. Of the 15 posters or so that have put their opinions for all to see, all of them agree.
As for me, I think, they have a right based on their beliefs to not support the lbgt community by refusing to take the pictures of the "wedding". But we all know that those rights as Christians dont mean much anymore especially if they go against the liberal progressive agenda. Just sayin...
Oh no, you spoke the truth. There'll be hades to pay for that!!!0 -
I'm suprised this thread is going so well.
Well Duh lol. Of the 15 posters or so that have put their opinions for all to see, all of them agree.
As for me, I think, they have a right based on their beliefs to not support the lbgt community by refusing to take the pictures of the "wedding". But we all know that those rights as Christians dont mean much anymore especially if they go against the liberal progressive agenda. Just sayin...
Well now you had to edit it and ruin everything... Boo on you. I'm going to assume you are kidding about christians not having rights0 -
I believe that it's a fine line that's why. It's a topic to think about in real life. Personally I've been discriminated against (not a biggie, but still it happened) and think that how I look, live or believe should matter when asking for a business to provide a service.I'm suprised this thread is going so well.
Well Duh lol. Of the 15 posters or so that have put their opinions for all to see, all of them agree. Just sayin...
Well no there are those that think buisnesses should be able to serve who they want, and those that think its discrimination.
So far everyone is being pretty civil about it though. That is very surprising for a subject of this nature
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I'm suprised this thread is going so well.
Well Duh lol. Of the 15 posters or so that have put their opinions for all to see, all of them agree.
As for me, I think, they have a right based on their beliefs to not support the lbgt community by refusing to take the pictures of the "wedding". But we all know that those rights as Christians dont mean much anymore especially if they go against the liberal progressive agenda. Just sayin...
Well now you had to edit it and ruin everything... Boo on you. I'm going to assume you are kidding about christians not having rights
Apparently in New Mexico they dont. A Christian chooses not to photograph a lbgt couple based on their religous beliefs and they are sued and lose. The court says they dont have a right to do that.0 -
For the record, I'm strongly on the side of LBGT rights.
However, this is a little silly.
Exactly. What is even sillier is that a gay couple would push this to force a photographer to go against his beliefs. They are asking people to support a live and let live culture, but purposely disrespect someones' religious belief. That is a piss poor principle.0 -
I'm suprised this thread is going so well.
Well Duh lol. Of the 15 posters or so that have put their opinions for all to see, all of them agree.
As for me, I think, they have a right based on their beliefs to not support the lbgt community by refusing to take the pictures of the "wedding". But we all know that those rights as Christians dont mean much anymore especially if they go against the liberal progressive agenda. Just sayin...
Well now you had to edit it and ruin everything... Boo on you. I'm going to assume you are kidding about christians not having rights
Apparently in New Mexico they dont. A Christian chooses not to photograph a lbgt couple based on their religous beliefs and they are sued and lose. The court says they dont have a right to do that.
Being religious does not give you the right to discriminate sorry but it doesn't .
Funny how you never hear about christians refusing services to divorced people, or for that matter I wonder if the photographer ever refused to shoot pictures in a church that allows women to speak. All no nos in the bible. If its really only about a strong belief in the bible why not stick to all of it?0 -
For the record, I'm strongly on the side of LBGT rights.
However, this is a little silly.
Exactly. What is even sillier is that a gay couple would push this to force a photographer to go against his beliefs. They are asking people to support a live and let live culture, but purposely disrespect someones' religious belief. That is a piss poor principle.
So I guess we should go back to segregated resteraunts ect just so long as the owner has a stron belief that races shouldn't mix?0 -
I agree with the states' decision. Pro LGBT and also believe that if a company wants to offer a service they should offer equally to all. (And absolutely loathe people who use religion as a basis for hate- regardless of which religion and what their reason to discriminate).
That being said, I do also agree that it's ridiculous to sue for everything (i still get angry thinking about how someone won a case for a company not warning that their coffee would be hot... If it doesn't say Iced, u should reasonably assume it would be hot...).
you clearly dont know much about that hot coffee lawsuit0 -
And we see people starring down their noses at people starring down their noses.0
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I agree with the states' decision. Pro LGBT and also believe that if a company wants to offer a service they should offer equally to all. (And absolutely loathe people who use religion as a basis for hate- regardless of which religion and what their reason to discriminate).
That being said, I do also agree that it's ridiculous to sue for everything (i still get angry thinking about how someone won a case for a company not warning that their coffee would be hot... If it doesn't say Iced, u should reasonably assume it would be hot...).
you clearly dont know much about that hot coffee lawsuit
haha. i just watched that documentary on netflix about the hot coffee lawsuit.0 -
I highly support gay rights and such.
However, I also support the right of a business to refuse to service to anyone, for any reason. If they wanted to refuse to photograph their commitment ceremony because they believe that homosexuality is wrong, then that is their choice and their inherent right, in my opinion.
That being said, it is also the right of the person who was refused service, to tell others why they were refused service, giving others the information they need to decide whether or not to do business with the photographer in the future.
Agreed. If nothing else, this definitely has gotten the photographer's name and beliefs out there for the general public to see.0 -
What I'm wondering is what law was broken that this had a court case. There is protection for race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, disability, age (over 40), but I do not believe sexual orientation is legally protected against discrimination currently.0
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I'm suprised this thread is going so well.
Well Duh lol. Of the 15 posters or so that have put their opinions for all to see, all of them agree.
As for me, I think, they have a right based on their beliefs to not support the lbgt community by refusing to take the pictures of the "wedding". But we all know that those rights as Christians dont mean much anymore especially if they go against the liberal progressive agenda. Just sayin...
Well now you had to edit it and ruin everything... Boo on you. I'm going to assume you are kidding about christians not having rights
Apparently in New Mexico they dont. A Christian chooses not to photograph a lbgt couple based on their religous beliefs and they are sued and lose. The court says they dont have a right to do that.
It's illegal here in NZ to refuse service based on sexual orientation. Photographer, hotel, cafe, it doesn't matter. The only loophole, I believe, is if you run a homestay (live in the same house), then you can turn down any guests you choose because it's technically still private property.0 -
If a business advertises its services to the general public, its owners better be ready to accept clients from the general public, that's all.
Now, that being said, as a gay guy myself, if I knew a photographer had a problem with me being gay, I am 100% sure I'd choose somebody else to take pictures of my wedding. Y'know?0 -
its amazing that this is 2013 and we still have people like those photographers. its sad that they stand against any couple's right to be married and happy. hopefully they will change their mind and if not they will be driven out of business just like a restaurant would be if it refused service to african americans.0
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If it's a protected class in New Mexico, then seems legit. Otherwise, it should be up to the business owner to make bad business decisions if they want to. Now, whether or not sexual orientation should be a protected class is another matter. Please don't judge all of us Texans by the views of some others on this thread who do not have a good grasp of logic.What I'm wondering is what law was broken that this had a court case. There is protection for race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, disability, age (over 40), but I do not believe sexual orientation is legally protected against discrimination currently.
In any case, I'd rather a-holes be open about it so that we can know to avoid them and not send our $$ their way.0 -
For the record, I'm strongly on the side of LBGT rights.
However, this is a little silly.
Exactly. What is even sillier is that a gay couple would push this to force a photographer to go against his beliefs. They are asking people to support a live and let live culture, but purposely disrespect someones' religious belief. That is a piss poor principle.
So I guess we should go back to segregated resteraunts ect just so long as the owner has a stron belief that races shouldn't mix?
If a business owner wants to segregate seating in his business, then I believe it is his right. Just as it would be my right to refuse to eat there based on this.
In theory, anyway.0 -
I highly support gay rights and such.
However, I also support the right of a business to refuse to service to anyone, for any reason. If they wanted to refuse to photograph their commitment ceremony because they believe that homosexuality is wrong, then that is their choice and their inherent right, in my opinion.
That being said, it is also the right of the person who was refused service, to tell others why they were refused service, giving others the information they need to decide whether or not to do business with the photographer in the future.
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This. They own a private business and they can take whatever clients they want. Let paying customers decide whether they want to spend their money with them or not.
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The difference here, legally, is that they hold their business out as public. Which means (from my reading of the story) that they are subject to the same laws that prevent a restaurant, or barber shop, or hotel from discriminating on the basis of race, sex, etc. If a business does not want to comply with those laws, they don't have to - but they can't hold themselves out as open to the public. (That's why, legally, there are still plenty of restaurants that do not welcome African American customers (or other racial/ethnic groups) - they're private country clubs, dinner clubs, etc.). So, the photographers aren't obligated to serve all clients, but if they don't want to comply with the laws that would require them to do so, they need to change their business model. The laws provide that if you want to receive the benefits of being open to the public, you have to actually, ya know, serve the public (or at least those identities that are afforded legal protection - which in NM includes LGBT folks).
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What I'm wondering is what law was broken that this had a court case. There is protection for race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, disability, age (over 40), but I do not believe sexual orientation is legally protected against discrimination currently.
The article says NM extended protections based on sexual identity as well.0 -
I'm suprised this thread is going so well.
Well Duh lol. Of the 15 posters or so that have put their opinions for all to see, all of them agree.
As for me, I think, they have a right based on their beliefs to not support the lbgt community by refusing to take the pictures of the "wedding". But we all know that those rights as Christians dont mean much anymore especially if they go against the liberal progressive agenda. Just sayin...
Well now you had to edit it and ruin everything... Boo on you. I'm going to assume you are kidding about christians not having rights
Apparently in New Mexico they dont. A Christian chooses not to photograph a lbgt couple based on their religous beliefs and they are sued and lose. The court says they dont have a right to do that.
Being religious does not give you the right to discriminate sorry but it doesn't .
Funny how you never hear about christians refusing services to divorced people, or for that matter I wonder if the photographer ever refused to shoot pictures in a church that allows women to speak. All no nos in the bible. If its really only about a strong belief in the bible why not stick to all of it?
Im sorry but your position doesnt hold water. So if I understand you correctly, only certain people can be discriminated against because their beliefs. lbgt people shouldnt be discriminated against because of their beliefs and be able to do whatever their little hearts desire, even making someone do something such as support their cause, even when it goes against their faith (there is a nasty word isnt it for non believers?) That is awesome. I love the double standard and I am not surprised.
OH and women did preach in New Testament times. Just sayin...0 -
I read that first sentence as "The Nacho Supreme court decided earlier today..."0
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The government created a law back in the 1960's that basically said if you are a for profit business then you can not discriminate because of race, creed or color. That law has been extended to SS couples. The problem is that once we say it is OK to discriminate for any reason, then it becomes Ok to discriminate for another.
Those who say it is OK to not choose to take pictures at SS wedding because a free enterprise, would you agree if they chose to not take pictures at a Moslem wedding? or a Jewish wedding? or a Black Wedding? would that be OK.
Did you know a non-profit can turn you away for religious reasons? My Doctor is affiliated with Holy Name Hospital, who can refuse to treat you for cancer because it is Ovarian and it would prevent you from being able to have children again. I get it that its religious, but if that same hospital decided to be a for profit business, they couldn't do that. Which is why most hospitals can not turn anyone away.
Personally I think its about time that people stop worrying so much about what someone else is doing and they start worrying about their foot print on this world. Why is HATE ok in one situation but not another? Why is OK for us to claim to refuse SS couples or push kids so far with the hate for being gay that they get beat up or commit suicide, but its not OK for Moslems to say they hate americans? Why is OK when it serves one agenda, but not another.
HATE no matter the reason is wrong0 -
I love it when people who support the lbgt community use the word HATE when it comes to a Christian's belief and faith. Is there a book out there that yall use so that yall use the same words and phrases when it comes to bashing Christians and others that dont support your cause?0
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I love it when people who support the lbgt community use the word HATE when it comes to a Christian's belief and faith. Is there a book out there that yall use so that yall use the same words and phrases when it comes to bashing Christians and others that dont support your cause?
they probably learned it from christians right? they are the ones trying to deny them the right to be married along with all the other things christians have tried to deny from others over the years.0 -
I love it when people who support the lbgt community use the word HATE when it comes to a Christian's belief and faith. Is there a book out there that yall use so that yall use the same words and phrases when it comes to bashing Christians and others that dont support your cause?
they probably learned it from christians right? they are the ones trying to deny them the right to be married along with all the other things christians have tried to deny from others over the years.
HMMMM I dont think so. The way I read this thread, is that the only people talking about hate are the people that support the lgbt community. Boy it is easy to blame Christians for everything isnt it. Is that in the book too?0 -
I love it when people who support the lbgt community use the word HATE when it comes to a Christian's belief and faith. Is there a book out there that yall use so that yall use the same words and phrases when it comes to bashing Christians and others that dont support your cause?
they probably learned it from christians right? they are the ones trying to deny them the right to be married along with all the other things christians have tried to deny from others over the years.
HMMMM I dont think so. The way I read this thread, is the only people talking about hate are the people that support the lgbt community. Boy it is easy to blame Christians for everything isnt it. Is that in the book too?
seems to me its the lgbt people who want equal rights for all and its christians that want to deny them their rights. that all comes from your book doesnt it?0 -
I'm suprised this thread is going so well.
Well Duh lol. Of the 15 posters or so that have put their opinions for all to see, all of them agree.
As for me, I think, they have a right based on their beliefs to not support the lbgt community by refusing to take the pictures of the "wedding". But we all know that those rights as Christians dont mean much anymore especially if they go against the liberal progressive agenda. Just sayin...
Yes, here in Australia too.
Well now you had to edit it and ruin everything... Boo on you. I'm going to assume you are kidding about christians not having rights
Apparently in New Mexico they dont. A Christian chooses not to photograph a lbgt couple based on their religous beliefs and they are sued and lose. The court says they dont have a right to do that.
It's illegal here in NZ to refuse service based on sexual orientation. Photographer, hotel, cafe, it doesn't matter. The only loophole, I believe, is if you run a homestay (live in the same house), then you can turn down any guests you choose because it's technically still private property.0 -
hmm, that didn't work.
I meant to say Is same here in Australia too.0 -
I love it when people who support the lbgt community use the word HATE when it comes to a Christian's belief and faith. Is there a book out there that yall use so that yall use the same words and phrases when it comes to bashing Christians and others that dont support your cause?
they probably learned it from christians right? they are the ones trying to deny them the right to be married along with all the other things christians have tried to deny from others over the years.
I know quite a few athiests that don't think gay men should be able to marry because they think it's gross and unnatural.
Anyway, I 100% agree that this shouldn't even be an issue anymore--LGBT rights don't hurt or affect anybody in a negative way, but I'm also Catholic (and openly bisexual lol) and wouldn't even say most Christians don't believe in LGBT rights, it's just the ignorant, the small-minded, and the extremist Christians that give everyone else a bad reputation.0
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