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I am 38 and 212 pounds. I was close to 220 at my highest. I was starting to think I'd never get motivated again and I would live the rest of my life in the obese category. Last Friday I got bad lab results back and I feel like a switch has been flipped on for my motivation. I am certain it will stick now. I need to loose weight and within 6 months if possible. You have to find that reason...the one that compels you forward. I simply can't get motivated until I high rock bottom it seems. Last time I tried losing weight and made progress, I had just got so fed up with my weight that I couldn't take it anymore....oddly enough I was only 194 pounds then...that was years ago (like 15 years ago!). Anyway, I believe finding that reason is key!5
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I am 38 and 212 pounds. I was close to 220 at my highest. I was starting to think I'd never get motivated again and I would live the rest of my life in the obese category. Last Friday I got bad lab results back and I feel like a switch has been flipped on for my motivation. I am certain it will stick now. I need to loose weight and within 6 months if possible. You have to find that reason...the one that compels you forward. I simply can't get motivated until I high rock bottom it seems. Last time I tried losing weight and made progress, I had just got so fed up with my weight that I couldn't take it anymore....oddly enough I was only 194 pounds then...that was years ago (like 15 years ago!). Anyway, I believe finding that reason is key!
Sorry about your bad lab results. Your post raised a few questions in my mind:- How tall are you?
- What's your goal weight?
- Why do you feel like you need to lose weight within 6 months?
I'm concerned that you are going to go too hard too fast, get burnt out, and yoyo back up.4 -
I complained for years about being stuck. I thought I was doing all the “right” things but I didn’t pay attention to the things I didn’t want to change. That was where I needed to change (to much snacking, wine, lack of rest). Once I finally changed those things one at a time, I lost the weight and found my true self. I don’t diet now. I eat what I want when I want but it is not mindless and I do not drink alcohol. For me that was key.6
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What worked for me was consciously carving out space in my day for myself and then reminding myself if I am running on empty all the time its not tenable for the long term. It also helps when I defend my boundaries in terms of work and family. If I feel better then I will be better for them as well. I've been making it a habit to login every day and log my food good, bad, and ugly. I don't always feel like walking, working out, or meditating but typically when I am thinking that is when I need it the most so I just pick myself and get moving or sit on my my zafu and meditate for 20 minutes.
Words of encouragement from others is nice but for the most part you have to motivate yourself to the point things become a habit and it feels just like part of your day.
I've done whole "tomorrow I will start..." thing and it just required me to actually follow through with what I was saying no matter how many things tried to derail it. The only time I will take time off is due to sickness or injury but even then I can still log my food and meditate.6 -
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Hey Dermo480.... I read your post and I could totally relate!! I have been obese all of my life... the heaviest I reached was 386 in my early 20s... I've done every diet out there... everything to lose the weight .. took diet pills, supplements, and had two types of bariatric surgeries... I lost a lot.. but gained more.... 3 years ago, was my rock bottom... I cried out to God... I was sick of being sick!! 3 cancers I've battled, acid reflux, chronic fatigue among so many other ailments... I cried out!! I know He had me take my eyes off the weight issue and on to the deeper issues... unhealthy habits, food addictions, lack of sleep, snacking at night, sedentary lifestyle... you name it, I was doing it all wrong.. I decided with God's help I would make better decisions... better choices.... not stop eating, just substitute with healthier alternatives and smaller portions... I broke addictions by reducing my carbs to less than 20g per day and zero sugar... I changed my addiction for sugar to addiction to water and began hydrating... April 8th was my 3rd year anniversary on my health journey... i have seen the weight slowly melt off... I hope my story encourages you... its not about will power!! It's about the will to live power... not just exist!! Blessings!6
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I started all of this years ago...my kids were 2 and a newborn...they are now 12 and going on 10. I was in a pretty bad place health wise. 220ish Lbs @ 5'10" with high blood pressure, immeasurable cholesterol due to my triglycerides being over 500, pre-diabetic and so on and so forth. My Dr. at the time basically told me if I didn't get it together I'd probably be lucky to see my 70s and likely pretty sick by 60s if not sooner...I was 38 at the time. I did not ignore this. I was heading down the same path as my dad who a little over a year after I got my ball rolling died of a widow maker at 61 because he never got his ball rolling.
My kids were a big part of my reason why. I wanted to be in good health and be able to play with them and watch them grow and participate in many fun adventures together over the coming years. The idea that I was in this condition at 38 was also just not acceptable to me...for the majority of my life I had been lean and fit and healthy...competitive multi-sport athlete from school age through high school...military...and a very active college student who did a lot of hiking, biking, and walking. I wanted that back too. I wanted to be able to take my boys camping and hike mountains again, not just sit their drunk and fat in my hammock working on my 2nd pack of Pal-Malls.
The changes I made were primarily for my health and what I could do to just lead a healthier life. I really wasn't all that focused on losing weight or anything...just things I could do to help me improve my health. I started focusing on a healthier diet by really looking at what I could add to be healthier...more vegetables, fruits, whole grains, etc. I had a horrible soda problem that consisted of about 5 Mountain Dews per day...I slowly weened that down to none. Quit smoking...started exercising regularly, etc. I had not yet even heard of MFP and by simply making healthier lifestyle choices I dropped to around 200 Lbs.
By the time I found MFP I had already developed some pretty good healthy habits and along the way dropped 20 Lbs, basically without really focusing on that or trying...just doing the things that I know intuitively are good for me. I was feeling better...more energetic...less pain...sleeping better...less anxiety and stress, etc, etc. All of my blood work normalized and my blood pressure normalized as well, though I still required medication (hereditary)...but I hadn't seen 120/80 in ages, even with meds.
All in all I lost about 40 Lbs, which was great...but I put a lot of that credit into me simply making life changes where normalizing weight was almost just a natural bi-product. All that to say, I think many people put too much focus on weight loss and being some arbitrary number on the scale as the ultimate goal and it causes a lot of stress and anxiety with fluctuations and how much time it takes, and regain, etc...when just focusing on leading the kind of life you want to lead forever to be a healthier and happy person goes a long way to allowing everything else to just fall into place.
I never punished myself with some strict or super restrictive diet or super low calories or sufferfest workouts...I just learned to eat healthier and move around more and now I've long since been back to hiking mountains, biking mountains, cycling across my city and paddling the Rio Grande...God only knows where I'd be right now if I hadn't decided to just take a different path than the one I was on. Just remember whatever path, it's your path. It has to be doable...it has to be sustainable. If it's neither of those things you'll veer off that path pretty quickly because motivation and willpower are both fleeting things.
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wilson10102018 wrote: »To the OP, have you had a complete blood workup? Have you talked with your doctor? Have you been diagnosed with a particular health issue? Constant joint pain doesn't sound like much fun. Could it be fibro?
@wilson10102018 You keep saying OP is 100# overweight or double what she's supposed to be, where do you get those figures? She didn't give enough stats to know that?
Does it matter? An obese person with un-diagnosed joint pain should see a doctor which is what I told her to do and not to worry about 3 mile walks until she gets her weight under control. She did not say she wasn't 100 pounds overweight and Ann who also quibbled, guessed it at 60 to 93 pounds and started talking about hyperthyroidism that afflicts only 1 out of a 100 people and only a small percentage of those experience joint pain. Whereas OA is causally linked to obesity and most obese patients have OA. Quibblers notwithstanding my advice was the most sound. Get to a doctor, lose some weight, delay strenuous exercise until things are under control.
I have OA, am about the OPs weight, and walk more than that every day. Obese people with OA need to move more, not less. Not sure where you are getting your info from. (And I'd hardly call walking 3 miles strenuous exercise ... )12 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »To the OP, have you had a complete blood workup? Have you talked with your doctor? Have you been diagnosed with a particular health issue? Constant joint pain doesn't sound like much fun. Could it be fibro?
@wilson10102018 You keep saying OP is 100# overweight or double what she's supposed to be, where do you get those figures? She didn't give enough stats to know that?
Does it matter? An obese person with un-diagnosed joint pain should see a doctor which is what I told her to do and not to worry about 3 mile walks until she gets her weight under control. She did not say she wasn't 100 pounds overweight and Ann who also quibbled, guessed it at 60 to 93 pounds and started talking about hyperthyroidism that afflicts only 1 out of a 100 people and only a small percentage of those experience joint pain. Whereas OA is causally linked to obesity and most obese patients have OA. Quibblers notwithstanding my advice was the most sound. Get to a doctor, lose some weight, delay strenuous exercise until things are under control.
I have OA, am about the OPs weight, and walk more than that every day. Obese people with OA need to move more, not less. Not sure where you are getting your info from. (And I'd hardly call walking 3 miles strenuous exercise ... )
The OP has undiagnosed joint pain. If you had severe degenerative synovial macrophages in your knee joints you would be walking your way into a wheelchair. Glad you don't. But, don't assume others are as lucky as you when egging on exercise in the face of serious disabling illness in another person.
She mentioned she has joint pain and is obese - and you have her in a wheelchair from a bit of daily walking? Good lord that is over the top. People get stiff joints when they are middle aged and heavy - not sure where you live but where I am that doesn't generally constitute a medical workup. It generally constitutes advice to exercise and lose weight.
Fwiw I have severe tri-compartmental osteoarthritis in my knee and no one has ever told me to stop exercising, quite the opposite. (Also she didn't mention anything about swelling or restriction of movement.) You're suggestion that she remain sedentary lest she end up in a wheelchair is frankly bizarre. She is walking not running a marathon.7 -
My sister is 78, has back issues, bursitis and several other issues, along her hips, back and knees. She's been to PT and her dr., who both advise her to do certain exercises, along with walking. Walking is one of the gentlest exercises you can do, to keep things working. Plus she has fibro, so a whole host of physical ailments. She's been stacking wood, hauling dirt around, raking, very independent person. Shamefully, my sister runs circles around me. If the OP was saying she was lifting weights or running marathons then my advice would be different.
To me, it's always a given to see your dr. for chronic health and/or pain issues. It's too bad the OP hasn't replied because it'd be helpful in giving her sound advice. Maybe she *has* been to the dr. Maybe she's only 50# overweight and not double, yes I feel it does make a difference. I was her age and weighed 85# over my ideal weight, bothered by aches, pains, and lack of time due to being a parent/operating an in-home daycare. Stress and lack of motivation kept me eating. But my days were busy chasing children so I had no choice but to keep moving 10 hours a day. People need to keep moving in whatever way they can. From her post, I got that lack of motivation is one of her biggest challenges, along with knee pain which could very well be joints not being used. It's really hard for any one of us to make the judgement call for her. I totally agree she should see a doctor, as we ALL should before beginning major lifestyle changes, but truthfully, whoever said Wilson was jumping the gun, I feel was right on target.
My aforementioned sister always says 'the more you do, the more you can do. The less you do, the less you can do'.
Have a good day all6 -
Hi OP, I completely understand where you're at, I was there, have been there a few times.
The things that's helped me the most has been addressing my mental health first. It helped with the terrible negative mental voice as well as a few other issues that have contributed to my weight gain over the years.
The difference it's made has been monumental. I have so much more space in my own head to focus on my physical health and I'm not constantly sabotaging myself with negativity.
I second what other have said about small changes. For me it started with drinking more water, then logging my food without changing anything. Then making changes to the obvious red flags food. For me deliberate exercise has come last but I've found myself moving more from the beginning because all the things I'm doing have helped my overall wellbeing and I have more energy. Plus with the extra water there were more bathroom breaks
My other suggestion (which won't work for everyone) is try having the same thing for breakfast or lunch each day. Having to make less decisions has helped me, not only do I know what calories I'll be consuming but it's easy to add into MFP, in fact I usually add all my food for the day on my phone in the morning while I'm on the toilet...then make any changes at the end of the day or as they happen. Decision fatigue has always been a hiccup for me and this has helped.
Good luck!5 -
Hi, OP here. Sorry haven't logged on since, did not expect so many replies! Thanks so much for all the advice.
Some more context, yes I am 205lbs but 5ft6in so think if I lost 50lbs I'd be OK, personally would be thrilled even if its still classed as overweight.
I have been to my Dr with pains etc, got full bloods done, all OK except high BP which I'm on meds for and slightly elevated cholesterol. All my other markers were OK. Dr wasn't sure why my joints are so sore, I'm not so huge that it should have that much impact but maybe it does when your lugging around 60+ lbs extra.
I love walking, always have which is why it's tough that I'm finding that so hard now.
Re the food, 100% agree with you all that its the most important thing. I work in a very stressful job and sometimes find myself dealing with stress by literally shovelling in food even when I'm not hungry.
Just this morning I had to root out a trouser suit to wear to a family function at the weekend. Last worn 2 years ago. Now too tight. Very depressing but I know what I need to do. It's almost like I can't face the uphill battle that is weight loss. The weird thing is I am very 'successful' in other areas of my life, good job, good parent etc (if I do say so myself 😉). But when it comes to food I seem to have no control.
I'm going to look up that blog recommended and start logging also. Will also take on board a lot of the advice here, thanks again so much xx5 -
@Dermo480 Thanks for checking back in. It does help to know a little bit more. Yes, we've been having quite the discussion here. Lol Definite differences of opinion and that's fine.
Did your walking cause joint pain? Do you happen to walk on concrete or hard surfaces all day, do lots of bending, etc., that could cause breakdown issues? Did your dr. recommend anything, pictures of the knees or other joints, PT, walking vs. not walking? DH has knee issues due to the work he did for 40 years. Is it more than your knees that are affected?
I hope you can get to the root of your problem.
Are you an emotional or stress eater? There are a lot of posts about those issues. Dig in and read.
Good luck in all ways!!3 -
I forgot to mention this in my post but when I was a lot heavier and experiencing joint pain on a regular basis I started taking Turmeric with BioPerine and it did help alleviate inflammation. It helped our dogs as well when they were recovering from knee surgery and later in life. It's not like taking a pain killer so don't expect it to work that way and it takes some time. I can definitely tell when I've missed a couple days. I am not entirely sold on Omega 3s but they might help with inflammation as well. If you go this route take them with a meal or incorporate Turmeric powder into your meals on a daily basis just make sure you take it with something so your system will absorb it since it needs to be paired. I've not really noticed a difference in the really pricey Turmeric VS reasonably priced stuff its just less expensive and has less issues than routine pain killers. Chronic pain can take the wind out of your sails so I would talk to your doctor about how best to treat it and that might help with your motivation.2
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Something I don’t think has been mentioned yet - but have you checked your shoes? Trainers (sneakers) do lose stability and you might just need a new pair. I prefer barefoot type shoes but some people like padded shoes - you may need better support for your feet as that can cause knee and other joint pain (feet, ankle, knee and hips). Some sports shops will offer stride calibration to check what shoe you need. Good to hear back from you!5
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Hi, OP here. Sorry haven't logged on since, did not expect so many replies! Thanks so much for all the advice.
Some more context, yes I am 205lbs but 5ft6in so think if I lost 50lbs I'd be OK, personally would be thrilled even if its still classed as overweight.
I have been to my Dr with pains etc, got full bloods done, all OK except high BP which I'm on meds for and slightly elevated cholesterol. All my other markers were OK. Dr wasn't sure why my joints are so sore, I'm not so huge that it should have that much impact but maybe it does when your lugging around 60+ lbs extra.
I love walking, always have which is why it's tough that I'm finding that so hard now.
Re the food, 100% agree with you all that its the most important thing. I work in a very stressful job and sometimes find myself dealing with stress by literally shovelling in food even when I'm not hungry.
Just this morning I had to root out a trouser suit to wear to a family function at the weekend. Last worn 2 years ago. Now too tight. Very depressing but I know what I need to do. It's almost like I can't face the uphill battle that is weight loss. The weird thing is I am very 'successful' in other areas of my life, good job, good parent etc (if I do say so myself 😉). But when it comes to food I seem to have no control.
I'm going to look up that blog recommended and start logging also. Will also take on board a lot of the advice here, thanks again so much xx
You would be surprised. It doesn't take much excess weight to start wearing on the joints and causing joint pain. I had a lot of that going on at 40 Lbs overweight. I went in for numerous consultations thinking something must be terribly wrong with my knees...worried about needing surgery, etc but nobody could ever find any kind of damage or disease.
Part of my issue was that I really didn't move a whole lot in my daily life, so when I would, it would cause pain...both muscle soreness and joint discomfort from simply not being worked all that much. The other issue was lugging around an extra 40 Lbs. I started getting back into fitness with just walking...I kept it to as flat as possible surfaces initially.
I also went to an athletic shoe store (not big box) to have my gate analyzed and get fitted for a proper pair of shoes. This made a huge difference. I had just been buying off the shelf sneakers for daily wear and walking and whatnot from a big box...mostly based on brand and how they looked. After my gait analysis, they determined that I supinate...a lot...and also have very high arches. This means I needed a neutral shoe with good arch support. The big box shoes I had been wearing, as it turns out, were designed to correct pronation which made my feet supinate even further leading to a lot of joint pain in my knees and IT band issues (think runners knee from tight IT band).
Not only does a fresh pair of shoes help...the right kind for your gait make a massive difference in comfort. Also keep in mind that shoes wear and as they wear, the support wears and they need to be replaced to keep you comfortable. I turn my old pairs into gardening and landscaping shoes that I don't need to wear for prolonged periods of time.6 -
Hi, OP here. Sorry haven't logged on since, did not expect so many replies! Thanks so much for all the advice.
Some more context, yes I am 205lbs but 5ft6in so think if I lost 50lbs I'd be OK, personally would be thrilled even if its still classed as overweight.
I have been to my Dr with pains etc, got full bloods done, all OK except high BP which I'm on meds for and slightly elevated cholesterol. All my other markers were OK. Dr wasn't sure why my joints are so sore, I'm not so huge that it should have that much impact but maybe it does when your lugging around 60+ lbs extra.
I love walking, always have which is why it's tough that I'm finding that so hard now.
Re the food, 100% agree with you all that its the most important thing. I work in a very stressful job and sometimes find myself dealing with stress by literally shovelling in food even when I'm not hungry.
Just this morning I had to root out a trouser suit to wear to a family function at the weekend. Last worn 2 years ago. Now too tight. Very depressing but I know what I need to do. It's almost like I can't face the uphill battle that is weight loss. The weird thing is I am very 'successful' in other areas of my life, good job, good parent etc (if I do say so myself 😉). But when it comes to food I seem to have no control.
I'm going to look up that blog recommended and start logging also. Will also take on board a lot of the advice here, thanks again so much xx
That all sounds really affirmative! I'm glad you got through all of the fog of back and forth here, pulled out some useful things.
Like Reenie, I'm also still wondering if it's the pain that prevents your walking. From your first post, I wasn't so sure whether the obstacle was pain, motivation, or tiredness. This now does sound more like pain is at least a significant factor (implied, but not explicitly stated). If so:
Claireychn074 is making a good point about shoes: I've learned that when my shoes become too worn, even, my knees start to be more uncomfortable, and of course the basic architecture of the shoe can matter, too. If you have an opportunity to visit a shoe store that offers gait analysis, that may be helpful. (Locally here, some of the athletic shoe stores do this. One even offers free "good form walking" classes to look at how you walk, make suggestions about shoes or body mechanics . . . and yes, they're more than a sales job - useful information provided, no purchase required.)
One thing I'm wondering is whether your doctor has offered any imaging of your joints as a diagnostic, a referral to an orthopedic specialist for more specific diagnostics, or a referral to physical therapy (where they also do assessments of gain, potential muscle imbalances, movement patterns, etc., and can prescribe exercises that really help). Those things have been helpful to me, in diagnosis/management of OA and a torn meniscus. The PT people taught me ways to climb stairs, especially - a problem for me - that put less stress on my knees and were therefore helpful long term in healing (that, in addition to identifying some hip tightness that was affecting gait, and helping me improve that).
Sometimes, I've found it necessary to be very assertive (still polite!) with my doctor when explicitly asking for these kinds of things. Sometimes, what's helped make that case is my being very clear that the problem is interfering in a significant way with my daily life functioning, i.e., not just saying "this hurts" but saying things like "the pain is preventing good sleep, and that makes my job and home life difficult" or "the pain is interfering with performing my job in X specific way". (Those specifics have been true for me, yours might be different - I'm not suggesting inventing things, just suggesting being clear and firm about what's true and why it's a problem. In your case, just saying that walking is a sort of life enjoyment for you, plus health sustaining, and that the pain now prevents it - if that's the case - would be important to be explicit about.)
Doctors are super-busy and stressed these days, don't always pick up on more subtle statements, so being firm, clear, assertive but still polite can be helpful. (Maybe you've already done that, I don't know. Some people I know tend to be somewhat indirect with their doctors, not suggest or ask about availability of specific referrals or diagnostics.)
Hang in there, you can make progress on this. It's not necessary to do some giant severe named diet! Perhaps even exploring some alternative stress-management techniques might bear fruit (via reducing stress eating), and there are a lot of options - journaling, meditation or prayer, calming music, warm bath or shower with a nice-smelling soap, enjoyable music, comedy movies, you name it. (I'm kind of wondering whether walking has been a stress management tool for you in the past, so that being unmanageable is aggravating the situation.)
Wishing you steady improvement - you're already making a great start!3 -
I agree with @cwolfman13 's and @AnnPT77 's comments regarding shoes. I started jogging (very little, don't be impressed, no longer doing that folly (for me)) about 5 years ago and my feet were hurting me. I went into a little local shop marketing to runners; I felt like such an imposter there! I normally wear 8's (and still do, in all non-sneaker shoes), but they convinced me to wear 9's. It sounds completely wrong, but they were right. I now buy all my sneakers in size 9 and my feet are so happy now!4
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"My other suggestion (which won't work for everyone) is try having the same thing for breakfast or lunch each day."
This was suggested above and something I do. I eat the same breakfast every single work day. Then you "copy yesterday's breakfast" and it's predictable. For lunch, I stay around 300 calories total by choosing a can of soup or a frozen meal. I also have built in snacks. Dinner is my variable, but for the most part I can keep it simple.
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