Going vegan

AnnPT77

Oops, severely messed up quote tags. Apologies. Reposting just the last comment/response, for clarity.

VegjoyP wrote: »

I eat vegetables, legumes, leafy greens, nuts, seeds and wholegrains. I use Vibrant Health Green Vibrance, Nutritional Yeast, Sea greens, Algae and I enjoy a morning liquid multi, and my doctors wanted me on D before I was vegan because of bone health. Sesame seeds, pumpkin seeds, watercress, white beans, walnuts, soybeans and almonds contain amino acids like glycine, arginine, methionine, omega 3 and protein. Watermelon supplies citrulline for arginine production,
Quite frankly, I would rather abstain from animal and nourish with a WFPB diet, a few supplemental ingredients, and yes, it is also very much for ethical and environmental interest. I also do not do well with animal myself. I have way less inflammation, hardly if ever get the flu or sick and with autoimmune disease it helps me feel so much more alive. My digestion, energy and anxiety are greatly reduced this way.

I'm very aware that you're a well-informed and very health-conscious vegan who's perceived great personal benefits from that route. I don't normally question or argue with adults who adopt a non-mainstream way of eating and are clear-eyed about the issues and the requirements to do so in a healthy way.

I do argue - though "argue" is maybe too strong a term - with people here who are considering adopting vegetarianism or veganism purely for weight loss or health. My beliefs include a distinction between what is consistent with good health, and what is strictly required for good health in general population terms. Very many people IMO arrive here influenced by advocacy sites (some of which make unscientifically supported claims) and by some of the recent so-called "documentaries" that misrepresent the science. There is some shockingly bad information out in the blogosphere.

Nutrition science is significantly statistical. Our personal choices are individualized. IMO people making choices that are based on poor science should give things a re-think, especially if they give hints that they're switching to something that will be difficult for them to stick with well enough or long enough to achieve their intended personal goals. If they decide to proceed with a statistically unusual eating style, I'm an advocate of providing science-based information about how to do that in a healthful manner.

BTW: I'm not saying or hinting you're doing anything different from that, in terms of health advice. I think you're more committed to your choice of dietary style in various ways than I am committed to mine . . . even though I've been vegetarian for 48+ years, and not one of those "vegetarians" who "eats fish once in a while, and of course turkey on Thanksgiving." Differences in humans' viewpoints are part of what makes life interesting, for me - quite sincerely.

VegjoyP

AnnPT, yes about B 12. I am happy to say I do indeed use B12, but had been before vegan. Yes, someone on a vegan diet that's all wholefood does still need to make sure that they ate getting all essentials.
In regard to " defending" veganism, I am just advocating a lifestyle choice. I totally agree it's not a weightliss diet. It is a life decision. I actually don't promote it with people who I train and coach, I encourage " plant based" and this may include animal if they choose
Anyone who is eating fast food, packaged, processed food and adopts a plant based meal plan with lean organic meat, fish, etc. Will be outstanding. I do not put people on a vegan plan unless it is thier primary life choice. It is much more prudent to enlighten them but affirming truths about nutrients.
Furthermore, I only show defense when I see people who do not believe in begsnism because that is what people do, plus any extreme truly is not exactly what a newbie should undertale.without proper counseling. Yes it is totally and absolutely possible to be in outstanding health on a vegan, carnivore or any other plan if they are educated but the Ling term is often not the case.
Another interesting thought, we on these forums are often seasoned and quite enthusiastic( being on this app plus forums shows it, most people do not want to do all the logging) and that's fine. It would foster more comradery and harvest better availability for newbies to decide then us avocates going back and forth. I think one defining factor is the practice of eating " real food"is a common ground.
I will close with this thought, if I was an Amina consumer, my ideal would be game- venison, elk, Buffalo, Wild turkey and wild fresh fish that is local. I would go to a local farm for eggs and personally choose goat cheese and sheep cheese over all conventional.
Cheers