Best macros for weight loss
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Look at populations in countries. Asian populations have less obese people (although Western diet introduction is increasing it as of late) and they survived on carbs (rice and noodles) as their main source of diet. But in general they don't eat a lot mostly due to economics. And I would bet it's same same every else in the world where they don't earn a lot of money as well. Just eating less in general is what keeps weight down.MacLowCarbing wrote: »@cwolfman13 @AnnPT77
I don't completely disagree, the obesity epidemic was also largely caused by reduction in activity and a rise in the availability of processed foods. There has been a combination of factors. I was mainly focusing on the low-fat craze and how remnants of it still linger in many of the recommendations even though the data was faulty.
When I was young and the food pyramid came out it was drilled into us that we should make carbs the foundation of our diet and eat 6-11 servings per day. We were told eggs were in general bad for you and we should not eat more than 4 per week. We were told to eat margarine instead of butter, that cheap, processed seed oils were healthy, and we should lay off animal fats-- particularly beef.
There have been a lot of studies that have thrown all of those recommendations into question, and progress to make corrections and change dietary advice from the so-called experts has been slow (probably because it would require admitting fault). Hence, at this point, I continue to remain skeptical on the subject, and am open to learning and experimenting to see what works for my body.
So while they may have found a genetic mutation in the Inuit, I don't think it is evidence that not having that specific genetic mutation means a high fat/low carb/high protein diet should be avoided.
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Of course eating less keeps weight down. Did I say otherwise? You're starting to confuse me, you keep going off on other tangents and miss my points entirely.
I think you're assuming I'm trying to rid the world of carb-eaters. I can assure you, that is not what I ever said or even implied.
What have I said in a nutshell:
- carbs are not good for everyone, depending on the person.
- if carbs give you trouble, you can cut down on them, or cut out things like grains and sugar entirely.
- since things like grains and sugar aren't necessary, and carbs are not a required macro, you can cut them out if you feel it would be beneficial to you; you won't be missing anything nutritionally.
- some people who go very low carb find fats satiating, and find this curbs cravings and hunger.
- Fat has been wrongly villainized in the American diet, you don't have to fear eating fat in your diet.
- Faulty data has played a role in the American obesity epidemic.
- dietary recommendations from what many people consider authoritative sources have been based on a lot of faulty data, and corrections or even allowing discussions about it have been slow to come.
- I don't think you have to be Inuit to find a low-carb/high-fat diet beneficial.
Now, where in all this are you seeing anything that implies people can't eat carbs and be thin, or can't lose weight on carbs, or that there are no other causes of obesity?
I think that because I'm not 100% flying with your preferred narrative, you're assuming I'm 100% against it. You don't have to agree with what I'm saying; but please stop reading into it.
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Just eating less in general is what keeps weight down.
Sounds pretty darn simple and easy. Eating less and moving more works for a majority of people, but since that isn't happening for a considerable percentage of the Western population, despite their most diligent efforts, obesity and T2D continues to rise. You appear to continue to make the case for eating things like rice and noodles (carbs) for everyone despite the long term metabolic damage it causes in those with insulin problems. Why?
I don't think anyone has suggested the a low carb/high fat meal plan is for everyone. We're all different. Different macros affect each of us in different ways. The right mix of macros is the one that makes eating less possible in the first place. The best plan, IMO, is to find what works for you while keeping in mind that meal plan/macro mix might not be the optimal one for someone else.
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Just eating less in general is what keeps weight down.
Sounds pretty darn simple and easy. Eating less and moving more works for a majority of people, but since that isn't happening for a considerable percentage of the Western population, despite their most diligent efforts, obesity and T2D continues to rise. You appear to continue to make the case for eating things like rice and noodles (carbs) for everyone despite the long term metabolic damage it causes in those with insulin problems. Why?
I don't think anyone has suggested the a low carb/high fat meal plan is for everyone. We're all different. Different macros affect each of us in different ways. The right mix of macros is the one that makes eating less possible in the first place. The best plan, IMO, is to find what works for you while keeping in mind that meal plan/macro mix might not be the optimal one for someone else.
That's not my read on what he's been saying about rice, etc. It's like recommending peanuts. It should be understood that the recommendation does not apply to someone who has a peanut allergy. If someone has a medical reason to avoid carbs, they should understand that a recommendation of carbs is for the general population, not them.
Rice is a food staple for more than 3.5 billion people around the world.
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Niner continually uses Asian countries and rice consumption as to why they aren't necessarily a problem, which is true for some societies and some people and of course that's changing now because China has more people that have diabetes per capita than the USA and India is a leader for heart disease and diabetes. Millions of people eat rice in the USA everyday that are not overweight and don't have to count calories so they don't gain weight. There's also a large minority of people in the US that aren't overweigh and have diabetes as well. It's not about the rice and pasta. Metabolic diseases like diabetes and obesity can be treated very successfully with a low carb/keto diets which treats blood sugar, feel more satiated and lose weight easier for those people, not rocket science.0
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neanderthin wrote: »Niner continually uses Asian countries and rice consumption as to why they aren't necessarily a problem, which is true for some societies and some people and of course that's changing now because China has more people that have diabetes per capita than the USA and India is a leader for heart disease and diabetes. Millions of people eat rice in the USA everyday that are not overweight and don't have to count calories so they don't gain weight. There's also a large minority of people in the US that aren't overweigh and have diabetes as well. It's not about the rice and pasta. Metabolic diseases like diabetes and obesity can be treated very successfully with a low carb/keto diets which treats blood sugar, feel more satiated and lose weight easier for those people, not rocket science.
I think what it comes down to really is everyone should eat in whatever way works for them. I think the problems tend to arise when one or the other claims what's "best" for someone else's body, or insists someone is eating in an unhealthy/problematic way if they eat differently from them. Us vs. Them mentality never leads to anywhere good. If someone chooses to go carnivore... or fruitarian, or starchivore, or, I don't know... eat nothing but partially boiled eggs... well, I may disagree with their choice, but I can't really tell them they're wrong for doing so.0 -
sollyn23l2 wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »Niner continually uses Asian countries and rice consumption as to why they aren't necessarily a problem, which is true for some societies and some people and of course that's changing now because China has more people that have diabetes per capita than the USA and India is a leader for heart disease and diabetes. Millions of people eat rice in the USA everyday that are not overweight and don't have to count calories so they don't gain weight. There's also a large minority of people in the US that aren't overweigh and have diabetes as well. It's not about the rice and pasta. Metabolic diseases like diabetes and obesity can be treated very successfully with a low carb/keto diets which treats blood sugar, feel more satiated and lose weight easier for those people, not rocket science.
I think what it comes down to really is everyone should eat in whatever way works for them. I think the problems tend to arise when one or the other claims what's "best" for someone else's body, or insists someone is eating in an unhealthy/problematic way if they eat differently from them. Us vs. Them mentality never leads to anywhere good. If someone chooses to go carnivore... or fruitarian, or starchivore, or, I don't know... eat nothing but partially boiled eggs... well, I may disagree with their choice, but I can't really tell them they're wrong for doing so.
Well, this is a calorie counting site, so it's about calories and easy to understand that it's all about the calorie and that pretty much all diets, especially ones that reduce/remove carbs are fad diets and they all work the same by just consuming fewer calories. It's the repeated mantra here, and for a bonus, you can eat donuts. Yeah, new people get excited when something works for them and probably a little too much, but they get taught soon enough though, generally immediately.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Just eating less in general is what keeps weight down.
Sounds pretty darn simple and easy. Eating less and moving more works for a majority of people, but since that isn't happening for a considerable percentage of the Western population, despite their most diligent efforts, obesity and T2D continues to rise. You appear to continue to make the case for eating things like rice and noodles (carbs) for everyone despite the long term metabolic damage it causes in those with insulin problems. Why?
I don't think anyone has suggested the a low carb/high fat meal plan is for everyone. We're all different. Different macros affect each of us in different ways. The right mix of macros is the one that makes eating less possible in the first place. The best plan, IMO, is to find what works for you while keeping in mind that meal plan/macro mix might not be the optimal one for someone else.
That's not my read on what he's been saying about rice, etc. It's like recommending peanuts. It should be understood that the recommendation does not apply to someone who has a peanut allergy. If someone has a medical reason to avoid carbs, they should understand that a recommendation of carbs is for the general population, not them.
Rice is a food staple for more than 3.5 billion people around the world.
IMO, it is misleading (in a thread about, "Best Macros for Weight Loss") to point out that billions of people (with less obesity) survive on carbs as the main source of macros in their diet. To me, that is saying the same thing as eating lots of grainy carbs are good for everyone. That if it works for billions, it will work for everyone. Niner's added advice to "just eat less in general" if you want to keep weight down is equally counterproductive for those who come to MFP because they struggle to control calorie intake.
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kshama2001 wrote: »Just eating less in general is what keeps weight down.
Sounds pretty darn simple and easy. Eating less and moving more works for a majority of people, but since that isn't happening for a considerable percentage of the Western population, despite their most diligent efforts, obesity and T2D continues to rise. You appear to continue to make the case for eating things like rice and noodles (carbs) for everyone despite the long term metabolic damage it causes in those with insulin problems. Why?
I don't think anyone has suggested the a low carb/high fat meal plan is for everyone. We're all different. Different macros affect each of us in different ways. The right mix of macros is the one that makes eating less possible in the first place. The best plan, IMO, is to find what works for you while keeping in mind that meal plan/macro mix might not be the optimal one for someone else.
That's not my read on what he's been saying about rice, etc. It's like recommending peanuts. It should be understood that the recommendation does not apply to someone who has a peanut allergy. If someone has a medical reason to avoid carbs, they should understand that a recommendation of carbs is for the general population, not them.
Rice is a food staple for more than 3.5 billion people around the world.
IMO, it is misleading (in a thread about, "Best Macros for Weight Loss") to point out that billions of people (with less obesity) survive on carbs as the main source of macros in their diet. To me, that is saying the same thing as eating lots of grainy carbs are good for everyone. That if it works for billions, it will work for everyone. Niner's added advice to "just eat less in general" if you want to keep weight down is equally counterproductive for those who come to MFP because they struggle to control calorie intake.
It's not misleading. It's his answer to the question. And he's not wrong in what he's saying. All societies had their main carbohydrate source they lived off of. Or maybe you've never heard about the great potato famine, where 1 million Irish people died because their potato crops failed. Not because all their cows or sheep or chickens died. Because their potatos died. 1 million people.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Just eating less in general is what keeps weight down.
Sounds pretty darn simple and easy. Eating less and moving more works for a majority of people, but since that isn't happening for a considerable percentage of the Western population, despite their most diligent efforts, obesity and T2D continues to rise. You appear to continue to make the case for eating things like rice and noodles (carbs) for everyone despite the long term metabolic damage it causes in those with insulin problems. Why?
I don't think anyone has suggested the a low carb/high fat meal plan is for everyone. We're all different. Different macros affect each of us in different ways. The right mix of macros is the one that makes eating less possible in the first place. The best plan, IMO, is to find what works for you while keeping in mind that meal plan/macro mix might not be the optimal one for someone else.
That's not my read on what he's been saying about rice, etc. It's like recommending peanuts. It should be understood that the recommendation does not apply to someone who has a peanut allergy. If someone has a medical reason to avoid carbs, they should understand that a recommendation of carbs is for the general population, not them.
Rice is a food staple for more than 3.5 billion people around the world.
IMO, it is misleading (in a thread about, "Best Macros for Weight Loss") to point out that billions of people (with less obesity) survive on carbs as the main source of macros in their diet. To me, that is saying the same thing as eating lots of grainy carbs are good for everyone. That if it works for billions, it will work for everyone. Niner's added advice to "just eat less in general" if you want to keep weight down is equally counterproductive for those who come to MFP because they struggle to control calorie intake.
Everyone can have an opinion on what works. Cultures that eat rice, pasta, and potatoes do so because protein costs money and not everyone can afford a high protein diet. Some, like Italy, eat that way because it's their culture and habit because coming out of WWII food was scarse.
The Mediterranean Diet has won UNESCO status---there are reasons. The Blue zones are healthier--there are reasons.
I, personally, travel between Minnesota (my home in the US) and Italy (where I've lived for 38 years). Frankly, the difference in the food culture is evident. Even home cooking in the US is rich. The volume of food is much more than I'm now used to. I try to cook for myself when visiting, or order small portions, or take most home to heat up the next day.
People can eat whatever, however, and whenever they want. Anyone who eats low carb per doctor's orders should be supported.1 -
The "Mediterranean Diet" and the "Standard American Diet" have virtually the same macro percentage breakdown.
According to the WHO, Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta and Spain have the highest rates of childhood obesity, which also happen to be on the Mediterranean Sea.
Dan Buettner from "Blue Zone" fame is also on a tour promoting his new book, so that's been in the news more lately and how fabulous it is when people adapt the blue zone diet in the big apple (NYC) as an example and are getting healthier. More fruits and vegetables is covering a lot of territory lately and it can be found everywhere. Somehow I'm thinking he's not promoting Casu marzu a maggot infested sheep's cheese from Sardinia.
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/332526/Eurohealth-25-1-7-10-eng.pdf0 -
neanderthin wrote: »The "Mediterranean Diet" and the "Standard American Diet" have virtually the same macro percentage breakdown.
According to the WHO, Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta and Spain have the highest rates of childhood obesity, which also happen to be on the Mediterranean Sea.
Dan Buettner from "Blue Zone" fame is also on a tour promoting his new book, so that's been in the news more lately and how fabulous it is when people adapt the blue zone diet in the big apple (NYC) as an example and are getting healthier. More fruits and vegetables is covering a lot of territory lately and it can be found everywhere. Somehow I'm thinking he's not promoting Casu marzu a maggot infested sheep's cheese from Sardinia.
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/332526/Eurohealth-25-1-7-10-eng.pdf
Are the childhood obesity levels higher than the US? Depends on what you're comparing them to. I don't see a lot of obese children here. Some--yes. Just like I see some adults. They stick out because they're not the norm.
Never eaten or seen the cheese you're mentioning. I guess it's a rarity--but thanks for mentioning it. If I see it in the stores, I'll let you know.1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »The "Mediterranean Diet" and the "Standard American Diet" have virtually the same macro percentage breakdown.
According to the WHO, Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta and Spain have the highest rates of childhood obesity, which also happen to be on the Mediterranean Sea.
Dan Buettner from "Blue Zone" fame is also on a tour promoting his new book, so that's been in the news more lately and how fabulous it is when people adapt the blue zone diet in the big apple (NYC) as an example and are getting healthier. More fruits and vegetables is covering a lot of territory lately and it can be found everywhere. Somehow I'm thinking he's not promoting Casu marzu a maggot infested sheep's cheese from Sardinia.
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/332526/Eurohealth-25-1-7-10-eng.pdf
Are the childhood obesity levels higher than the US? Depends on what you're comparing them to. I don't see a lot of obese children here. Some--yes. Just like I see some adults. They stick out because they're not the norm.
Never eaten or seen the cheese you're mentioning. I guess it's a rarity--but thanks for mentioning it. If I see it in the stores, I'll let you know.
You haven't seen it because the European Union outlawed it...
"Because of European Union food hygiene-health regulations, the cheese has been outlawed, and offenders face heavy fines.[13]"1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »The "Mediterranean Diet" and the "Standard American Diet" have virtually the same macro percentage breakdown.
According to the WHO, Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta and Spain have the highest rates of childhood obesity, which also happen to be on the Mediterranean Sea.
Dan Buettner from "Blue Zone" fame is also on a tour promoting his new book, so that's been in the news more lately and how fabulous it is when people adapt the blue zone diet in the big apple (NYC) as an example and are getting healthier. More fruits and vegetables is covering a lot of territory lately and it can be found everywhere. Somehow I'm thinking he's not promoting Casu marzu a maggot infested sheep's cheese from Sardinia.
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/332526/Eurohealth-25-1-7-10-eng.pdf
Are the childhood obesity levels higher than the US? Depends on what you're comparing them to. I don't see a lot of obese children here. Some--yes. Just like I see some adults. They stick out because they're not the norm.
Never eaten or seen the cheese you're mentioning. I guess it's a rarity--but thanks for mentioning it. If I see it in the stores, I'll let you know.
Sorry, I meant to say highest childhood obesity in Europe. No Italy is pretty good overall actually, the US is about double. The US had obesity rates like Italy of around 20% overall back in the 60's. Then again France is about half of Italy. South Pacific Islanders take the big prize.
No the cheese isn't actually legal but apparently can be found on the black market or made traditionally, it just something that has been eaten for centuries and it was for survival reasons and not health, people can die from it but it's still consumed in Sardinia. Quite the story I thought, humans are quite adaptive and survival can be the mother of invention. Traditionally they're quite the smokers apparently, like over half the population, but has gone down significantly, kinda weird, but maybe not. Some of the traditional foods of Icaria of Nuoro province the actual "blue zone" within Sardinia is pretty fascinating where cheese and dairy consumption is about 1/3rd of their calories. France does have a similar cheese if I'm not mistaken. Not sure I could eat it, maybe. Apparently the larvae must be living and they can jump apparently, so kind of creepy really.
I also heard that Italy is in the process of banning laboratory grown meat to help protect Italian culture. Have you heard anything about that? Curious.0 -
There's also some green cheese on a Dutch waddensea island. It's also not allowed because it contains the turds of cheep. It's quite tasty actually.0
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neanderthin wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »The "Mediterranean Diet" and the "Standard American Diet" have virtually the same macro percentage breakdown.
According to the WHO, Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta and Spain have the highest rates of childhood obesity, which also happen to be on the Mediterranean Sea.
Dan Buettner from "Blue Zone" fame is also on a tour promoting his new book, so that's been in the news more lately and how fabulous it is when people adapt the blue zone diet in the big apple (NYC) as an example and are getting healthier. More fruits and vegetables is covering a lot of territory lately and it can be found everywhere. Somehow I'm thinking he's not promoting Casu marzu a maggot infested sheep's cheese from Sardinia.
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/332526/Eurohealth-25-1-7-10-eng.pdf
Are the childhood obesity levels higher than the US? Depends on what you're comparing them to. I don't see a lot of obese children here. Some--yes. Just like I see some adults. They stick out because they're not the norm.
Never eaten or seen the cheese you're mentioning. I guess it's a rarity--but thanks for mentioning it. If I see it in the stores, I'll let you know.
Sorry, I meant to say highest childhood obesity in Europe. No Italy is pretty good overall actually, the US is about double. The US had obesity rates like Italy of around 20% overall back in the 60's. Then again France is about half of Italy. South Pacific Islanders take the big prize.
No the cheese isn't actually legal but apparently can be found on the black market or made traditionally, it just something that has been eaten for centuries and it was for survival reasons and not health, people can die from it but it's still consumed in Sardinia. Quite the story I thought, humans are quite adaptive and survival can be the mother of invention. Traditionally they're quite the smokers apparently, like over half the population, but has gone down significantly, kinda weird, but maybe not. Some of the traditional foods of Icaria of Nuoro province the actual "blue zone" within Sardinia is pretty fascinating where cheese and dairy consumption is about 1/3rd of their calories. France does have a similar cheese if I'm not mistaken. Not sure I could eat it, maybe. Apparently the larvae must be living and they can jump apparently, so kind of creepy really.
I also heard that Italy is in the process of banning laboratory grown meat to help protect Italian culture. Have you heard anything about that? Curious.
I know the media and the general population are strongly against lab meat. As for smoking, there's still a lot of people smoking. That could also contribute to thinness--people eat less, taste buds are shot. Now they must smoke outside, but it's a problem even then. This summer at the beach the wind was blowing their smoke our way.
Lots of unusual traditional cheeses here. Some are aged in caves, others are wrapped in grape leaves and doused in red wine before aging. These are just a few examples. It's not just Italy. Isn't the most expensive coffee in the world made from coffee beans excreted by an animal? It might make an interesting thread........0 -
Another tidbit on obese children in Italy. When I first arrived here I had many cultural clashes. I remember my MIL seeing a very fat baby and going on and on how beautiful it was. I thought it was way too fat, but I came to realize that her generation wanted children to be fat. They were behind medically here and she came from a southern village. Fat children had a higher chance of survival than thin ones when they caught childhood illnesses. It's in the mindset of certain parts of the country still. The children are expected to slim down as they grow.0
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snowflake954 wrote: »Another tidbit on obese children in Italy. When I first arrived here I had many cultural clashes. I remember my MIL seeing a very fat baby and going on and on how beautiful it was. I thought it was way too fat, but I came to realize that her generation wanted children to be fat. They were behind medically here and she came from a southern village. Fat children had a higher chance of survival than thin ones when they caught childhood illnesses. It's in the mindset of certain parts of the country still. The children are expected to slim down as they grow.
Yeah, I've heard that before. I agree with your assessment about infants.
When I was researching childhood obesity it was interesting that young children ages 5-9 is where the highest percentages of fat were found and in Italy, boys fell in and around 20% and girls around 14%, but the groups that were aged 10-19 that statistic was cut pretty much in half, with 11% for boys and 8% for girls. Some of that decrease can be accounted for in natural increases in obesity over time from the effects of the socioeconomical impact from increased consumption of junk food and sugar, but nevertheless that variable showed up across the board. I believe most of that was based in overall movement of the 2 groups where the younger were more restricted in their freedoms and movement in comparison to say teenagers that were living a full and productive life, comparatively speaking. No proof just my thoughts on it.
Yeah there a few coffee's from different animals where they're marketed. One of the places I shop carried some with a price tag of around 100.00 a lbs. He said it was from tigers but I'm not sure about that. I've heard of coffee from elephant poo but it's not something I'd be interested in at that price and I'm a coffee person. I have paid a lot for some single estate organic coffee from Africa and South America for crazy money my friends say, lol. I would definitely try it, I just wouldn't pay that much, I think it's mostly marketing and it is a good story for sure.
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@Fattyohfat congrats on your success. I'm 59 Female and T2 Diabetic. Medically the cardiogist would like me to go low carb. When I asked him about a number he said just watch your food, stay away from packaged and processed foods and you should be successful. What I didnt agree with is he told me losing weight is very simple calories in vs calories out. I dont agree with that point of view. But I do agree that when I'm on the low carb side of things my sugar is much better.
Any thoughts on how your menu looks? I like the kind of foods you list. How are you putting them together. Open to suggestions from any other members0 -
Mazintrov13 wrote: »Fattyohfat wrote: »My goal is...
50% protein
30% carbs
20% fats
I eat a lot of grass fed beef, chicken, eggs, salmon, bacon, cruciferous vegetables, some brown rice, some legumes, and avocado or olive oil.
Like a few others have said I don't get bogged down by the percentages. If I eat protein the most in a day I am happy.
I have found in order not to be hungry I also include 1 protein shake a day as a snack or drink as part of a meal. I am a big fan of Ensure™ MAX Protein.
So far down 40 lbs in 2 months.
40 pounds in 2 months seems like a massive drop, how much weight have you got to lose?
Started at 462 OFFICIALLY, need to get down to 265-275 to have surgery says the orthopedist. I imagine a lot of that weight was water weight. I was put on a diuretic when diagnosed with diabetes along with metformin which has wiped my appetite.
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juniorssister wrote: »@Fattyohfat congrats on your success. I'm 59 Female and T2 Diabetic. Medically the cardiogist would like me to go low carb. When I asked him about a number he said just watch your food, stay away from packaged and processed foods and you should be successful. What I didnt agree with is he told me losing weight is very simple calories in vs calories out. I dont agree with that point of view. But I do agree that when I'm on the low carb side of things my sugar is much better.
Any thoughts on how your menu looks? I like the kind of foods you list. How are you putting them together. Open to suggestions from any other members
I was kind of like you in the fact I didn't know what to put together. It was a lot of trial and error. I found YouTube helpful. I looked up low sugar recipes, keto recipes, recipes for obese people trying to lose weight etc. Here's a go to for me for a lunch. Maybe you'll find it useful...
1/3 cup full fat Greek yogurt
2 hard boiled eggs(or canned tuna, salmon, sardines, chicken etc)
1/2 cup chopped cabbage
some chopped onion, dill pickle(amounts to your liking)
salt, pepper, garlic powder, dill(again amounts to your liking)
squueze of lemon juice.
Combine and have that with a low carb tortilla. I use the Mission ones that are 6" and 70 calories per.
I'll have that and an Ensure Max Protein for post workout lunch.
But get in the kitchen and explore. I liked this video, but again they're just ideas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ffoHsVZOo
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neanderthin wrote: »The "Mediterranean Diet" and the "Standard American Diet" have virtually the same macro percentage breakdown.
According to the WHO, Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta and Spain have the highest rates of childhood obesity, which also happen to be on the Mediterranean Sea.
Dan Buettner from "Blue Zone" fame is also on a tour promoting his new book, so that's been in the news more lately and how fabulous it is when people adapt the blue zone diet in the big apple (NYC) as an example and are getting healthier. More fruits and vegetables is covering a lot of territory lately and it can be found everywhere. Somehow I'm thinking he's not promoting Casu marzu a maggot infested sheep's cheese from Sardinia.
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/332526/Eurohealth-25-1-7-10-eng.pdf
Why yes, yes they do.
However, the "Western Pattern Diet" (formerly known as the "Standard American Diet") is less nutritious, more caloric, and associated with poor health outcomes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_pattern_diet
The Western pattern diet is a modern dietary pattern that is generally characterized by high intakes of pre-packaged foods, refined grains, red meat, processed meat, high-sugar drinks, candy and sweets, fried foods, industrially produced animal products, butter and other high-fat dairy products, eggs, potatoes, corn (and high-fructose corn syrup), and low intakes of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, pasture-raised animal products, fish, nuts, and seeds.[2]
Dietary pattern analysis focuses on overall diets (such as the Mediterranean diet) rather than individual foods or nutrients.[3] Compared to the "prudent pattern diet", which has higher proportions of "fruit, vegetables, whole grains, and poultry", the Western pattern diet is associated with higher risks of cardiovascular disease and obesity.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_diet
The Mediterranean diet is a diet inspired by the eating habits and traditional food typical of southern Spain, southern Italy, and Crete, and formulated in the early 1960s.[1] It is distinct from Mediterranean cuisine, which covers the actual cuisines of the Mediterranean countries. While inspired by a specific time and place, the "Mediterranean diet" was later refined based on the results of multiple scientific studies.[2]
The principal aspects of this diet include proportionally high consumption of unprocessed cereals, legumes, olive oil, fruits,[3] and vegetables, and moderate consumption of fish, dairy products (mostly cheese and yogurt), and meat products. Olive oil has been studied as a potential health factor for reducing all-cause mortality and the risk of chronic diseases.[4]
The Mediterranean diet is associated with a reduction in all-cause mortality in observational studies.[5] In 2017, the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition published evidence that the Mediterranean diet lowers the risk of heart disease and early death.[6] The Mediterranean diet may help with weight loss in obese people.[7]1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »The "Mediterranean Diet" and the "Standard American Diet" have virtually the same macro percentage breakdown.
According to the WHO, Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Malta and Spain have the highest rates of childhood obesity, which also happen to be on the Mediterranean Sea.
Dan Buettner from "Blue Zone" fame is also on a tour promoting his new book, so that's been in the news more lately and how fabulous it is when people adapt the blue zone diet in the big apple (NYC) as an example and are getting healthier. More fruits and vegetables is covering a lot of territory lately and it can be found everywhere. Somehow I'm thinking he's not promoting Casu marzu a maggot infested sheep's cheese from Sardinia.
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/332526/Eurohealth-25-1-7-10-eng.pdf
Why yes, yes they do.
However, the "Western Pattern Diet" (formerly known as the "Standard American Diet") is less nutritious, more caloric, and associated with poor health outcomes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_pattern_diet
The Western pattern diet is a modern dietary pattern that is generally characterized by high intakes of pre-packaged foods, refined grains, red meat, processed meat, high-sugar drinks, candy and sweets, fried foods, industrially produced animal products, butter and other high-fat dairy products, eggs, potatoes, corn (and high-fructose corn syrup), and low intakes of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, pasture-raised animal products, fish, nuts, and seeds.[2]
Dietary pattern analysis focuses on overall diets (such as the Mediterranean diet) rather than individual foods or nutrients.[3] Compared to the "prudent pattern diet", which has higher proportions of "fruit, vegetables, whole grains, and poultry", the Western pattern diet is associated with higher risks of cardiovascular disease and obesity.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_diet
The Mediterranean diet is a diet inspired by the eating habits and traditional food typical of southern Spain, southern Italy, and Crete, and formulated in the early 1960s.[1] It is distinct from Mediterranean cuisine, which covers the actual cuisines of the Mediterranean countries. While inspired by a specific time and place, the "Mediterranean diet" was later refined based on the results of multiple scientific studies.[2]
The principal aspects of this diet include proportionally high consumption of unprocessed cereals, legumes, olive oil, fruits,[3] and vegetables, and moderate consumption of fish, dairy products (mostly cheese and yogurt), and meat products. Olive oil has been studied as a potential health factor for reducing all-cause mortality and the risk of chronic diseases.[4]
The Mediterranean diet is associated with a reduction in all-cause mortality in observational studies.[5] In 2017, the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition published evidence that the Mediterranean diet lowers the risk of heart disease and early death.[6] The Mediterranean diet may help with weight loss in obese people.[7]
Yes that was my point in saying macro's have nothing to do with it. It's about the food. Personally I would like my body to process food and not the industrial food complex that believes they're doing me some kind of favor.
Also, not only can the main medical and gov't affiliations stay out of my kitchen and stop telling me what to eat they also can't dictate what acronyms I can use and I understand they want to distance themselves from that but I will continue to refer to the standard American diet as the SAD, because that's what it is. I find that attempt at that change pretty sad as well.2 -
You're right to avoid extreme fad diets. A balanced diet with a mix of healthy fats, proteins, and carbs can help you stay satisfied and avoid cheating. The suggested ratio of 5-15% carbs, 25-35% protein, and 45-65% healthy fats can work for many. Just remember, what works best can vary from person to person. It's important to find a sustainable approach that fits your needs and preferences. Consulting with a healthcare professional or dietitian can be helpful, and long-term sustainability is key.0
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You would only use keto diet if you are diabetic ! Otherwise I would not recommend it. Whatever diet or food you eat just make sure it’s low in saturated fat meaning not to eat foods or use oil or fat that solidify at room temperature like bacon and fried foods , saturated fat can clog arteries overtime ! 1 gram of fat = 9 calories ! 1 gram of carbs = 4 calories . You would be eating at higher calories using high fat diet !0
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