Not pleased by my total cholesterol

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  • _John_
    _John_ Posts: 8,646 Member
    I tried for about 6 months to raise my cholesterol in my 30's (had a total of 109 at the time), and couldn't do it, even adding over 20g of saturated fat daily from 70+% dark chocolate and coconut. My N=1 doesn't match the literature...

    Some of us just have low cholesterol. The highest mine has been in 15 years was 163, and that was when I was a sloppy, lazy fat ash on the SAD for a few years straight.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,304 Member
    well the literature says SOME people respond to dietary changes - so you are still matching the literature if you do not.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,265 Member
    edited November 2023
    I wouldn't worry about it John. Your trigs and C-reactive protein are much better indicators of calcium buildup, which is actual atherosclerosis anyway, maybe get a calcium scan just to make sure. Cheers. :)
  • SafariGalNYC
    SafariGalNYC Posts: 1,584 Member
    edited November 2023
    @saintor1 how many grams of saturated fat are you eating per day?

    If you don’t have any weight to lose - cut out the saturated fat. What about ditching the bacon/butter completely and limited fatty meat for 3-6 months to see if the numbers drop?

    My n=1 experience- I did an elimination diet and cut all daily dairy, which was high sat fat (I still love straggisto!) and my total cholesterol went down 10 points. (I do eat 3mg of Omega 3 per day as well and fish 4ish times per week.)

    I don’t have high cholesterol but vascular disease runs in my family so I’m keen on anything cardio friendly and avoiding vascular issues in the future. 🤞🏻

    I’ve always been told Saturated fat & trans fat raises LDL and total cholesterol. Let us know how your experience goes!
  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 8,686 Member
    saintor1 wrote: »
    Well I think that outlining the argument is very stupid.

    Yet you can't overcome my arguments,

    Enjoy your clogged arteries!
    Was that really necessary? Everyone here is on their own path to better, and sustainable, health.
    saintor1 wrote: »
    . Among my supplements, I have been taking vitamins D3, omega 6, mini-aspirin for years. This year, I also added K2, Metamucil, creatine, taurine, maca, magnesium citrate, ashwaganda, digestive enzymes, collagen, and for my skin retinol & grapeseeds oil.

    Your path is your own.

  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    saintor1 wrote: »
    Well I think that outlining the argument is very stupid.

    Yet you can't overcome my arguments,

    Enjoy your clogged arteries!

    Your arguments are outdated. Here's both an abstract and the full article which might interest you

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30198808/

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    saintor1 wrote: »
    Interesting...

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12680645/Move-Mediterranean-diet-New-portfolio-diet-silver-bullet-health-Americas-cardiologists-say-foods-invest-in.html
    It was invented by researchers from Harvard University T.H. Chan School of Public Health and is made up of a range of cholesterol-lowering foods.

    People who scored highest on the PDS [Portfolio Diet Score] had a 14 percent lower risk of developing heart disease and stroke.

    And for each 25-percentile increase in the PDS, the risk of total cardiovascular disease, including coronary heart disease and stroke, declined by eight percent.

    My mother has been basically eating the Portfolio Diet for decades. Her total cholesterol is high, because her good cholesterol is very high.

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    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    saintor1 wrote: »
    Well I think that outlining the argument is very stupid.

    Yet you can't overcome my arguments,

    Enjoy your clogged arteries!

    Your arguments are outdated. Here's both an abstract and the full article which might interest you

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30198808/

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391

    Yep.
  • VegjoyP
    VegjoyP Posts: 2,773 Member
    edited November 2023
    saintor1 wrote: »
    MamaBear5445 wrote: »
    I'd say that breakfast isn't the problem here... it's the eating out 4-5× a week. What are you ordering at restaurants?

    It is not eating out 4-5x a week, I meant a total of 4-5x meals with meat as the main course. We typically land at steakhouses or chicken places... my options are limited, but I can also improve this.

    For the others, I warned you; *not interested*. :) I want to get under 150, a zone that there is really near 0 cardiac risk. My call. 20-30% of the cardiac attacks happen in people having a total cholesterol between 150-200, IIRC what I read a few years ago.

    I side with these guys.
    https://meschinohealth.com/article/helping-patients-achieve-a-cholesterol-level-below-150-mgdl/
    Disclaimer, I will not deal with keto arguing, I am jot posting to battle. This has been MY EXPERIENCE, MY FIANCE AND FRIENDS. Iwent WFPB. MY CHOLESTEROL went down tremendously. It started over 200 then after several years it stayed in 160 range. When I had a CT scan it had shown 19 percent calcification. After much and ongoing research, doctor visits and talks I opted for low fat WFPB diet. My LDL went to 50 and over all in 130s. My fiance had had similar
    When I slowly added some more fat and got comfortable it went up. Now I am back to what works. My digestion, sleep, RHR and energy are so much better as well. I take red yeast rice and other supplements but diet is most effective for me.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    edited November 2023
    VegjoyP wrote: »
    saintor1 wrote: »
    MamaBear5445 wrote: »
    I'd say that breakfast isn't the problem here... it's the eating out 4-5× a week. What are you ordering at restaurants?

    It is not eating out 4-5x a week, I meant a total of 4-5x meals with meat as the main course. We typically land at steakhouses or chicken places... my options are limited, but I can also improve this.

    For the others, I warned you; *not interested*. :) I want to get under 150, a zone that there is really near 0 cardiac risk. My call. 20-30% of the cardiac attacks happen in people having a total cholesterol between 150-200, IIRC what I read a few years ago.

    I side with these guys.
    https://meschinohealth.com/article/helping-patients-achieve-a-cholesterol-level-below-150-mgdl/
    Disclaimer, I will not deal with keto arguing, I am jot posting to battle. This has been MY EXPERIENCE, MY FIANCE AND FRIENDS. Iwent WFPB. MY CHOLESTEROL went down tremendously. It started over 200 then after several years it stayed in 160 range. When I had a CT scan it had shown 19 percent calcification. After much and ongoing research, doctor visits and talks I opted for low fat WFPB diet. My LDL went to 50 and over all in 130s. My fiance had had similar
    When I slowly added some more fat and got comfortable it went up. Now I am back to what works. My digestion, sleep, RHR and energy are so much better as well. I take red yeast rice and other supplements but diet is most effective for me.

    I was with you for dietary changes being effective until you said you take red yeast rice.

    My partner eats SAD two meals a day, takes a statin, and his LDL went down. You eat WFPB, take something containing a chemical the same as that in prescription statins and your LDL went down.

    https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/supplement/red-yeast-rice

    Red yeast rice contains chemicals that are similar to prescription statin medications. One of these, called monacolin K, has the same makeup as the drug lovastatin (Mevacor).
  • VegjoyP
    VegjoyP Posts: 2,773 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    VegjoyP wrote: »
    saintor1 wrote: »
    MamaBear5445 wrote: »
    I'd say that breakfast isn't the problem here... it's the eating out 4-5× a week. What are you ordering at restaurants?

    It is not eating out 4-5x a week, I meant a total of 4-5x meals with meat as the main course. We typically land at steakhouses or chicken places... my options are limited, but I can also improve this.

    For the others, I warned you; *not interested*. :) I want to get under 150, a zone that there is really near 0 cardiac risk. My call. 20-30% of the cardiac attacks happen in people having a total cholesterol between 150-200, IIRC what I read a few years ago.

    I side with these guys.
    https://meschinohealth.com/article/helping-patients-achieve-a-cholesterol-level-below-150-mgdl/
    Disclaimer, I will not deal with keto arguing, I am jot posting to battle. This has been MY EXPERIENCE, MY FIANCE AND FRIENDS. Iwent WFPB. MY CHOLESTEROL went down tremendously. It started over 200 then after several years it stayed in 160 range. When I had a CT scan it had shown 19 percent calcification. After much and ongoing research, doctor visits and talks I opted for low fat WFPB diet. My LDL went to 50 and over all in 130s. My fiance had had similar
    When I slowly added some more fat and got comfortable it went up. Now I am back to what works. My digestion, sleep, RHR and energy are so much better as well. I take red yeast rice and other supplements but diet is most effective for me.

    I was with you for dietary changes being effective until you said you take red yeast rice.

    My partner eats SAD two meals a day, takes a statin, and his LDL went down. You eat WFPB, take something containing a chemical the same as that in prescription statins and your LDL went down.

    https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/supplement/red-yeast-rice

    Red yeast rice contains chemicals that are similar to prescription statin medications. One of these, called monacolin K, has the same makeup as the drug lovastatin (Mevacor).

    Lol I should have emphasized it went down before that. Yes it is as affective as a stating however a WFPB diet works. My cardiologist wants my LDL at or below 50 and wanted to put me o. Stating but I said no, so we agreed on red yeast rice in addition to the eating My cholesterol dropped after going WFPB and low fat ( over all was over 200 while eating meat, then 180 range, 160 range then 130s
  • loulee997
    loulee997 Posts: 273 Member
    edited November 2023
    saintor1 wrote: »
    If your position is that total cholesterol doesn't matter or is fine under 200, don't bother reading any further!

    In my previous blood test, my total cholesterol was around 160mg/dl. Two years later, I expected 140 by eating less and weight less, but I am at 180. Three times a week, I have breakfast with 2 eggs and bacon (2 strips) with bread and butter (all weighted, mind you), but I leave the yolk. At home, I limit my meat intake to 2 times a week (3-5oz x2), but the reality is also that I eat out for business and it is probably a total of 4-5x a week.

    I imagine that if I limit my breakfasts with eggs& bacon to once a week and my meat intake to a total of 3x, it will go down, right?

    Hi,

    I was visiting family. My sister-in-law and her brother have a family history of heart disease. They watch their blood pressure and cholesterol very closely. Both were having a problem with their cholesterol creeping steadily upward without a big change in diet or lifestyle. Basically genetics. My SIL and her brother tried CholestOFF Plus supplement. She dropped from 210 to 179 after six months of use. Her brother dropped from 235 to 195 after 1 year.

    Check with your doctor to see if this is a safe option for you---but perhaps it is worth exploring if you already have a fairly healthy lifestyle.

    I have not used this product personally. My sister-in-law who is a very practical person who already lives a fairly healthy lifestyle---found it worked for her. Maybe it will work for you. But always check with a med professional before using any supplement.

    Just a thought.

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