The Paleo Man not so healthy
Lichent
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Think of Otzi if the arrow didn't get him the heart attack would have . He also had arthitis but no sign of diabetes.
http://www.jonbarron.org/article/prehistoric-man-wasn’t-so-healthy
There are certain ailments we tend to associate with the stress and strain of living in modern society, such as cardiovascular disease. We assume that in earlier centuries, life was a little more simple; farming your land, tending to your flocks, and spending time with your family and immediate community. But now, there is evidence that predates our type of lifestyle by several millennia showing that man has always suffered from some of the same common health problems we suffer from today.
The Tyrolean Iceman, called Otzi, was so well preserved in his final resting place in the ice of the Italian Alps that his body has provided scientists with a tremendous amount of knowledge about prehistoric man. Now, some 5,300 years after his death, researchers have sequenced Otzi's complete genome and added to the steady stream of information he has provided since he was unearthed in 1991.1
The analysis of Otzi has yielded such detail as his age of approximately 46 at his death, which resulted from an arrow wound, and difficulty with his arthritic knees. Now, the study of Otzi's genome has revealed that he had heart disease. In fact, the researchers have suggested that he might have experienced a heart attack at some point soon had he not perished from other causes. So clearly, cardiovascular issues are not brought on solely by of our high-calorie, high-fat diets and relative lack of exercise since these would not have been the case for the Iceman. Although these are definitely contributing factors in heart disease, Otzi has shown that, regardless of his paleo diet, something else was at work, opening the door for scientists to study other potential risk factors that might have applied to the Iceman.
The researchers also determined that Otzi had brown hair and brown eyes, had Type O blood, and was lactose intolerant. The lactose intolerance is an interesting fact especially considering that he probably didn't drink milk, but not really surprising. After all, back in those days no one drank milk past infancy. Hunters had no farms with cows to milk. Nor were they wandering herdsmen with goats and sheep. Milk consumption did not come naturally to humans and it most likely took many generations after we started domesticating animals for our bodies to adjust and process milk proteins properly, which is not to say they do so fully even now. For many people, digesting milk is still a problem even beyond lactose intolerance.
Lactose intolerance, incidentally, is not a food allergy as is caused by several of the proteins in dairy such as casein. A food intolerance is caused by an inability to digest a food and occurs in the digestive tract rather than the bloodstream and is characterized by symptoms such as gas, bloating, constipation, diarrhea, headaches, and dark circles under the eyes. Your body is unable to break down the lactose present in dairy products because it doesn't produce the required enzyme, lactase, leaving the protein too large to pass through the walls of your intestine. If you're lactose intolerant, it certainly helps to cut way back on your consumption of dairy, but you can also be proactive and shore up the beneficial bacterial within your digestive tract as well. Yogurt and other conventional starter cultures and probiotic bacteria in fermented and unfermented milk products can improve lactose digestion and somewhat eliminate symptoms of intolerance in lactose maldigesters. These beneficial effects are due to microbial beta-galactosidase in the (fermented) milk product, delayed gastrointestinal transit, positive effects on intestinal functions and colonic microflora, and reduced sensitivity to symptoms.
Lactose intolerance aside, if you must drink milk, drink raw, unpasteurized, organic milk, if possible. Absolutely avoid milk that has added growth hormones and antibiotics. And do not drink homogenized milk. Homogenized milk contains xanthine oxidase, which attacks the arteries and is a potential factor in heart disease. Interestingly enough, this problem seems only to occur with homogenized milk. When non-homogenized milk is consumed, the body excretes the xanthine oxidase. If you do drink homogenized milk, it is essential that you take a folic acid supplement, which can help neutralize the negative effects of the xanthine oxidase. And if you're lactose intolerant, you'll have to take a supplemental digestive enzyme formula that contains lactase, or drink milk with added lactase
An even better choice, though, is goat's milk (it's much closer to human milk in composition), if you can stand the taste. And you also have the option of a number of grain and rice-based milk alternatives…in moderation because they tend to be high glycemic. Jon Barron does not recommend soy milk -- but that's a newsletter in itself.
And think about Otzi the next time you tell yourself a caveman diet is disease free. Unfortunately, there is much to recommend in the paleo diet, but good health and diet are more complicated than that. And chances are good you don't get nearly as much physical activity as the Iceman did either, climbing through the Alps on a daily basis. Without having to worry about getting taken out before your time by an arrow, you want to keep your body as fit and healthy as you can for a long time to come.
http://www.jonbarron.org/article/prehistoric-man-wasn’t-so-healthy
There are certain ailments we tend to associate with the stress and strain of living in modern society, such as cardiovascular disease. We assume that in earlier centuries, life was a little more simple; farming your land, tending to your flocks, and spending time with your family and immediate community. But now, there is evidence that predates our type of lifestyle by several millennia showing that man has always suffered from some of the same common health problems we suffer from today.
The Tyrolean Iceman, called Otzi, was so well preserved in his final resting place in the ice of the Italian Alps that his body has provided scientists with a tremendous amount of knowledge about prehistoric man. Now, some 5,300 years after his death, researchers have sequenced Otzi's complete genome and added to the steady stream of information he has provided since he was unearthed in 1991.1
The analysis of Otzi has yielded such detail as his age of approximately 46 at his death, which resulted from an arrow wound, and difficulty with his arthritic knees. Now, the study of Otzi's genome has revealed that he had heart disease. In fact, the researchers have suggested that he might have experienced a heart attack at some point soon had he not perished from other causes. So clearly, cardiovascular issues are not brought on solely by of our high-calorie, high-fat diets and relative lack of exercise since these would not have been the case for the Iceman. Although these are definitely contributing factors in heart disease, Otzi has shown that, regardless of his paleo diet, something else was at work, opening the door for scientists to study other potential risk factors that might have applied to the Iceman.
The researchers also determined that Otzi had brown hair and brown eyes, had Type O blood, and was lactose intolerant. The lactose intolerance is an interesting fact especially considering that he probably didn't drink milk, but not really surprising. After all, back in those days no one drank milk past infancy. Hunters had no farms with cows to milk. Nor were they wandering herdsmen with goats and sheep. Milk consumption did not come naturally to humans and it most likely took many generations after we started domesticating animals for our bodies to adjust and process milk proteins properly, which is not to say they do so fully even now. For many people, digesting milk is still a problem even beyond lactose intolerance.
Lactose intolerance, incidentally, is not a food allergy as is caused by several of the proteins in dairy such as casein. A food intolerance is caused by an inability to digest a food and occurs in the digestive tract rather than the bloodstream and is characterized by symptoms such as gas, bloating, constipation, diarrhea, headaches, and dark circles under the eyes. Your body is unable to break down the lactose present in dairy products because it doesn't produce the required enzyme, lactase, leaving the protein too large to pass through the walls of your intestine. If you're lactose intolerant, it certainly helps to cut way back on your consumption of dairy, but you can also be proactive and shore up the beneficial bacterial within your digestive tract as well. Yogurt and other conventional starter cultures and probiotic bacteria in fermented and unfermented milk products can improve lactose digestion and somewhat eliminate symptoms of intolerance in lactose maldigesters. These beneficial effects are due to microbial beta-galactosidase in the (fermented) milk product, delayed gastrointestinal transit, positive effects on intestinal functions and colonic microflora, and reduced sensitivity to symptoms.
Lactose intolerance aside, if you must drink milk, drink raw, unpasteurized, organic milk, if possible. Absolutely avoid milk that has added growth hormones and antibiotics. And do not drink homogenized milk. Homogenized milk contains xanthine oxidase, which attacks the arteries and is a potential factor in heart disease. Interestingly enough, this problem seems only to occur with homogenized milk. When non-homogenized milk is consumed, the body excretes the xanthine oxidase. If you do drink homogenized milk, it is essential that you take a folic acid supplement, which can help neutralize the negative effects of the xanthine oxidase. And if you're lactose intolerant, you'll have to take a supplemental digestive enzyme formula that contains lactase, or drink milk with added lactase
An even better choice, though, is goat's milk (it's much closer to human milk in composition), if you can stand the taste. And you also have the option of a number of grain and rice-based milk alternatives…in moderation because they tend to be high glycemic. Jon Barron does not recommend soy milk -- but that's a newsletter in itself.
And think about Otzi the next time you tell yourself a caveman diet is disease free. Unfortunately, there is much to recommend in the paleo diet, but good health and diet are more complicated than that. And chances are good you don't get nearly as much physical activity as the Iceman did either, climbing through the Alps on a daily basis. Without having to worry about getting taken out before your time by an arrow, you want to keep your body as fit and healthy as you can for a long time to come.
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Definately interesting, but did you also know that the human body can build up a tolerance to the point where people can actaully drink petrol/gasoline on a pretty semi regular basis and not die. Now I'm not advising this as a good choice, but it does make me think adding milk to my tea isn't going to finish me off :drinker:0
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You're on a roll tonight. Nice to see your grasp of English is improving. How's buddy tonight?0
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While I think that is an interesting read, or at least the first part, I can make no connection between "Hey! meet Otzi" and the "If you MUST drink milk... Yadda yadda yadda." Just odd.
Thanks for posting the interesting part.0 -
Definately interesting, but did you also know that the human body can build up a tolerance to the point where people can actaully drink petrol/gasoline on a pretty semi regular basis and not die. Now I'm not advising this as a good choice, but it does make me think adding milk to my tea isn't going to finish me off :drinker:
Is THAT why I can eat broccoli by the bunch and beans by the bowl with no "windy" side effects?? Maybe not, but makes me wonder.
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interesting post...not to throw a monkey wrench in the argument but his last meal was not completely paleo (as I assume people think of paleo) as it consisted of domesticated grains.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/iceman-last-meal.html
The meal was a simple affair, consisting of a bit of unleavened bread made of einkorn wheat, one of the few domesticated grains used in the Iceman's part of the world at this time, some other plant, possibly an herb or other green, and meat.
ALSO ANYONE READING THIS PLEASE BEWARE THAT IF YOU ARE PREGNANT (plan to become pregnant), IMMUNOCOMPROMISED, ELDERLY, OR HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN DO NOT DRINK RAW MILK!!
Raw milk contains many microbial contaminants such as e.coli, salmonella, listeria that can kill. In pregnant women it can cause miscarriage. Even supposedly organic milk can be a hazard to your health. I urge everyone to drink pasteurized by that is especially important in at risk populations.0 -
Otzi wasn't really paleo. He lived in the time of the agricultural revolution and was thought to have eaten a diet high in grain matter.
http://paleohacks.com/questions/95059/why-did-otzi-have-gall-stones.html#axzz2gh8Y5JIn0 -
must you really post all these articles every single day???
Only this morning you were espousing the benefits of eggs and bacon for breakfast, because it is so much healthier then oatmeal and how a vegan diet causes cancer or whatever, and now it is milk that is evil, really? I don't dare to ask what it is you do eat, and honestly I don't want to know, but can't you respect that people eat various diets and that is okay. If they lose their weight, fine, if they don't and they ask for help, why not post a link to the relevant article then.0 -
Otzi was chalcolithic, not palaeolithic
and chalcolithic came after the neolithic
and the neolithic came after the mesolithic
and the mesolithic came after the palaeolithic
so he wasn't really anywhere near palaeolithic.... so I'm not sure where that leaves the article, but if you want to analyse the health of palaeolithic people, then start with actual palaeolithic people.0 -
Definately interesting, but did you also know that the human body can build up a tolerance to the point where people can actaully drink petrol/gasoline on a pretty semi regular basis and not die. Now I'm not advising this as a good choice, but it does make me think adding milk to my tea isn't going to finish me off :drinker:
I believe this.. but tolerance for me is only up to a point. The last couple years I've developed allergies and sensitivities to all sorts of things that never bothered me in the past.0 -
WHAT??? Of course milk is going to kill you. Educate yourself!Definately interesting, but did you also know that the human body can build up a tolerance to the point where people can actaully drink petrol/gasoline on a pretty semi regular basis and not die. Now I'm not advising this as a good choice, but it does make me think adding milk to my tea isn't going to finish me off :drinker:
100% of people who add milk to their tea have already or will die in the future.
Science!
(Edited to remove the irony of misspelling "educated.")0 -
Realy interesting post, thanks for sharing.0
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I was so intrigued and interested until you took that unfortunate detour into something as boring as milk.
Yes. some people stop producing lactase. about half the world stops producing lactase. I don't think it's much of a surprise.
But what you do need to say about prehistoric people is that their average life expectancy was around thirty or so. No, you don't get arteriosclerosis at 30. No, you don't get a heart attack at 30. No, you don't get age onset diabetes at 30.
So of course these people, dying of tooth infections and broken limbs and dog bites had none of those sorts of problems.
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Otzi was chalcolithic, not palaeolithic
and chalcolithic came after the neolithic
and the neolithic came after the mesolithic
and the mesolithic came after the palaeolithic
so he wasn't really anywhere near palaeolithic.... so I'm not sure where that leaves the article, but if you want to analyse the health of palaeolithic people, then start with actual palaeolithic people.
Lichent doesn't concern herself with facts; only copying and pasting articles she finds by googling "insane conspiracy theories - what foods are bad for us"0 -
Definately interesting, but did you also know that the human body can build up a tolerance to the point where people can actaully drink petrol/gasoline on a pretty semi regular basis and not die. Now I'm not advising this as a good choice, but it does make me think adding milk to my tea isn't going to finish me off :drinker:
Once upon a time, I was married to an idiot. This idiot was drinking and decided to put gasoline in an empty beer bottle. After several more beers, he forgot which bottle had gasoline and he picked the wrong one up and took a deep swig. He got very sick, but it didn't kill him.
Morale of the story: Beer and gasoline don't mix!0
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