A calorie is not a calorie

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  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    lol diet doctor and lustig

    "Speaking of headlines, Diet Doc jumped on the publicity stunt bandwagon of Sam "Look Ma Carbs Made Me Grow Taller" Feltham. Most recently Sam gained more weight gorging on a carby junk diet than he did when he shoveled 3000 cal/day extra in nuts. Doc weighs in: Is Overeating Carbs Worse Than Overeating on an LCHF Diet? It's OK to overeat LCHF because you won't have to "pay" for your gluttony. Or is the correct interpretation that overeating LCHF is not to be derided because your body wastes the excesses and you won't gain as much weight. Or is there something just pious about advocating LCHF. Yeah, that's it.
    A calorie is not a calorie. This has already been proven in study after study, but Feltham provides us with a nice real world illustration.
    Yeah, because all of those metabolic ward studies that demonstrate time and again that a calorie is indeed a calorie are no substitute for free-living studies with questionable accountability, or especially the "real world" example of a skinny dude running fatloss bootcamps where we have only his word that he even did what he claims, and he can't even be bothered to verify what his weight maintaining caloric intake is to begin with.

    But what did Sam's Jokesperiment show us? That you supposedly can't gain when eating more expensive food that does nothing to fuel your body whatever the mechanism? Think about it. The Eades MADieters would have you believe that you just "waste" excess fat calories, it's only the dastardly carbs that will fatten you. The problem with this is that while obesity is generally undesired, the ability to store fat is not. It is desired for metabolic health, and perhaps more importantly it is desired not only for individual survival during sparse times, but also the survival of the species. So there's something especially wasteful about promoting a diet whereby adherents would have to eat more to maintain their bodies. This was claimed by Peter Attia during his ketogenic experiments -- if memory serves he claimed to consume 1000 cal/day more in NuttyK than with his usual diet, and even his generally lower carb diet. It is claimed again and again. It is now claimed by Sam. Oh such wonderful bragging rights! Well ...
    there’s something sick and environmentally unfriendly in eating fats unnecessarily just to poop them out
    Oh wait, that wasn't me ... or Andreas ... what he said recently was:
    there’s something sick and environmentally unfriendly in eating carbs unnecessarily just to pee them out {emphasis his}"

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2013/10/disgusted-with-diet-doctor.html
  • LadyPippen
    LadyPippen Posts: 59
    Its about damn time someone set the record straight! People dont get it! I do! Thank you for posting the article, its gerat stuff!!

    This young guy does an experiement and eats 5800 calories a day on LCHF diet for 3 weeks and gains 3 pounds
    He repeats the experiment and eats 5800 calories a day on a junk food diet and gains 16 pounds in 3 weeks!!

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/overeating-carbs-worse-overeating-lchf-diet

    Sam Feltham carried out an experiment a few months ago that caught a lot of attention. For three weeks he pigged out on low-carb LCHF foods, 5,800 calories a day.

    According to simplistic calorie counting, Feltham should have gained 16 lbs (7.3 kg). But in reality, he only gained less than 3 lbs (1.3 kg).

    Now Feltham has repeated his experiment with exactly the same amount of calories, but from carbohydrate-rich junk food. On the same amount of calories he gained more than five times as much weight: almost 16 lbs (7.1 kg)!

    The difference in waist circumference was even more significant: 5,800 calories of LCHF food for three weeks reduced his waist measurement by 1 1/4 inches (3 cm). The same amount of junk food led to a 3 1/2 inch (9.25 cm) increase in his waist. And you can see the difference visually.

    A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

    Above are photos from the junk food experiment. Below, the LCHF experiment (with the same amount of calories) as a comparison:
  • LadyPippen
    LadyPippen Posts: 59
    For you Dr. Mercola fans

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/11/paleo-goes-mainstream-cbs-news-reports.aspx
    I won't believe this until I get Dr. Mercola to verify
    lol

    I have a friend who SWEARS by Mercola.
  • LadyPippen
    LadyPippen Posts: 59
    For you Dr. Mercola fans

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/11/11/paleo-goes-mainstream-cbs-news-reports.aspx

    I won't believe this until I get Dr. Mercola to verify
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Its about damn time someone set the record straight! People dont get it! I do! Thank you for posting the article, its gerat stuff!!

    This young guy does an experiement and eats 5800 calories a day on LCHF diet for 3 weeks and gains 3 pounds
    He repeats the experiment and eats 5800 calories a day on a junk food diet and gains 16 pounds in 3 weeks!!

    http://www.dietdoctor.com/overeating-carbs-worse-overeating-lchf-diet

    Sam Feltham carried out an experiment a few months ago that caught a lot of attention. For three weeks he pigged out on low-carb LCHF foods, 5,800 calories a day.

    According to simplistic calorie counting, Feltham should have gained 16 lbs (7.3 kg). But in reality, he only gained less than 3 lbs (1.3 kg).

    Now Feltham has repeated his experiment with exactly the same amount of calories, but from carbohydrate-rich junk food. On the same amount of calories he gained more than five times as much weight: almost 16 lbs (7.1 kg)!

    The difference in waist circumference was even more significant: 5,800 calories of LCHF food for three weeks reduced his waist measurement by 1 1/4 inches (3 cm). The same amount of junk food led to a 3 1/2 inch (9.25 cm) increase in his waist. And you can see the difference visually.

    A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

    Above are photos from the junk food experiment. Below, the LCHF experiment (with the same amount of calories) as a comparison:

    People don't get it? As in you don't get what you're talking about? What happens in metabolic ward trials with cals and protein matched but cho/fat manipulated? What happens in overfeeding trials with fat vs cho?
  • spotty82
    spotty82 Posts: 4
    I read this and the scientist in me that desires verifiable proof, repeatable results and double blind control died a little.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    but, when is a door not a door?

    In...

    ...late, no doubt...

    ...but when it's a jar.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    hey it was junk food carbs, like fast food, processed carbs think white flour, white sugar, vegetable oils
    not olive oil and whole grains

    think Mcdonalds and count chocula cereal not whole grains.

    LOLwut?
  • tenilleless
    tenilleless Posts: 88 Member
    A Calorie is not a calorie.
    Its a kilocalorie!

    What I was seriously expecting from that title. I'm disappointed. :cry:
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    buddy!!! whats going on man?

    back at it I see..

    I dont have to read the article to call BS....
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Dontcha know? A calorie is now an inch. An inch is now a mile, and a gallon is now an ounce.

    wow wow wow...lets not get all crazy here..everyone know a calorie is still a mile and a gallon is an ounce....

    easy there cowboy.....
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    This thread would be way more entertaining if "My Buddy" were here...

    mybudfl.jpg

    LOL this +1
  • daybehavior
    daybehavior Posts: 1,319 Member
    On another site I visit, you will get warned/deleted for copy/pasting articles because it is considered copyright infringement. Can MFP please implement this policy :angry: (actually just do it for the OP and it will be fine.)
  • Ophidion
    Ophidion Posts: 2,065 Member
    Look he is counting calories with his finger...count his fingers that he is holding up and that is how calories a calorie is!

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  • StrangeUnicorn
    StrangeUnicorn Posts: 6
    Look he is counting calories with his finger...count his fingers that he is holding up and that is how calories a calorie is!

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    lol
  • Lichent
    Lichent Posts: 157 Member
    hey it was junk food carbs, like fast food, processed carbs think white flour, white sugar, vegetable oils
    not olive oil and whole grains

    think Mcdonalds and count chocula cereal not whole grains.

    See there are her lies again. Where did you see that he was eating McDonald's?
    Count Chocula cereal? Really?? What did you do, look at my diary and notice I eat that every day so you decided to say that?

    he dieted on junk food, I used those as an example, just owe up to some people can't give up their sugar and junk food, so my buddy says, there are doomed to a forever diet of kellogs pop tarts, cereals with cartoons enticing them, they are doome and what makes them downright angry is when people set out to prove that these diets fail and succeed at doing so, the people who love junk just get downright angry.

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