When do I even lift?
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Why? A beginner LIFTER is still a lifter.You're a beginner lifter right now.
Get two years consistent training under you belt and we can talk again
I feel like this would be the same as telling someone they're not a runner unless they've ran a marathon. :ohwell:
I completely agree in that regard. The two years training part kind of made me feel that way haha. I've been lifting less than a year, but several of my numbers are already out of the newbie stage of lifting. So I think time isn't a good marker of newbie/beginner/seasoned lifter status. Lifters lift...that title doesn't change because you've been lifting not as long or not as much weight as someone else.0 -
OP why so worried about labelling! Be happy about what you do and congrats on lifting!
Glove no glove, chalk no chalk.....do what you gotta do:flowerforyou:
cuz that moment when you get to the gym and you realize that your gloves don't match your outfit...FML:grumble:
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OP why so worried about labelling! Be happy about what you do and congrats on lifting!
Glove no glove, chalk no chalk.....do what you gotta do:flowerforyou:
cuz that moment when you get to the gym and you realize that your gloves don't match your outfit...FML:grumble:
Don't forget your makeup, dear.0 -
OP why so worried about labelling! Be happy about what you do and congrats on lifting!
Glove no glove, chalk no chalk.....do what you gotta do:flowerforyou:
cuz that moment when you get to the gym and you realize that your gloves don't match your outfit...FML:grumble:
Eh...I sorta get where he is coming from. You don't want to start into a conversation about your exercise routine with an experienced lifter and next thing you know, you are feeling stupid for not knowing everything they know.0 -
you should be a runner....
or a hola hooper er.
yep, a pink hula hoop.
do you wear boxers or briefs???0 -
When I lift, I only wear one glove, ala Michael Jackson. And I moonwalk from station to station.0
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Really?
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Years ago I was a sporadic skier. I remember standing in line for the lift with my husband looking at all the people with the kick *kitten* ski gear. I thought, 'wow, they must be really good.' Then I saw them come down like it was their first time on a slope. My skiing was nothing to write home about but clad in my sweats and old jacket, I was much more skilled than they were.
My point is that you can't judge anyone's abilities by the paraphernalia they have or are wearing.
I've been competing for years and no one would know I lift if they didn't see me do it.
Don't worry about not knowing as much as someone else. There will always be people who know more than you just as there will always be people who think they know more than you. Learn from other people. However, you should consider the source. I'm constantly picking the brains of my team mates. Some things I try, others I don't.0 -
If you're not wearing gloves, you're probably not lifting heavy enough.Well, real lifters don't wear gloves, so you're good there.
You're a lifter when you lift things. Period. Doesn't matter how much, how heavy, or how long.
I'd stay away from the Smith machine, though. That thing is pretty much designed specifically to injure people (I assume it was horrible oversight, and not intentional, but maybe Smith was an orthopedic surgeon in need of patients...)
So you lift, ergo, you're a lifter.
You'd best check for callouses on the hands first before you say that I actually used to use gloves too to prevent heavy callousing, but when I used them, I did start to find that I could pack weight higher on the bar for shrugs than I could hold through all the reps, at about 420lbs I had a problem holding on to the bar more than shrugging the weight and this was at a shrug machine/station, free weight was even worse. I think gloves increase your grip, but cause your gripping muscles not to be worked as much, causing a deficit in grip strength development vs muscle strength, especially at higher weight, I've found. But I still dont like the callouses.
As for when are you a "lifter", it depends on your definition ... could be a standard 90th percentile strength test on bench (1.2x bodyweight at 40yo age range and x .6 for women) and squat or maybe the normative data for college football defensive backs (307 bench and 415 squat 1RM)? Or, anyone who lifts weight in the gym regularly to get more fit?0 -
I like to think when you start getting that lil bit of swagger, you are a lifter. For me, it was the first time I pushed through a set and involuntarily let out a "wooo" and popped up with adrenaline. That is subjective, though. Generally, I agree, if you lift, you are a lifter. You may be a novice lifter, but a lifter none-the-less.
Are you serious? Being excited at your own lifts is one thing, but getting "Swagger" in the gym is usually for the ones who go through the motions and like to act tough and make others feel inadequate. I get so tired of those people in the gym, hooting and making noise like they are something special and acting like they are "above" others, giving you attitude looks. These are the guys that make the OP feel bad and question whether he's a lifter and belongs in the gym, dont be "that guy".
Those guys are however fun to go lift next to and give a dose of their own medicine when they get too loud: I like to watch their machismo disappear as you sit down calmly and smoothly lift more than the weight they (while grunting and groaning and hooting and puffing up after) were previously doing. Then, you tell them you are feeling a bit down today and increase the weight again for the next set...they usually shut up and clear out. 0 -
You're a beginner lifter right now.
Get two years consistent training under you belt and we can talk again
I feel like this would be the same as telling someone they're not a runner unless they've ran a marathon. :ohwell:
I don't necessarily agree.
While there is some skill to running- I'm not sure it's comparable to the skills/technique in lifting. There is definitely a NEW lifter- a beginner lifter- an intermediate and advanced- I'm not sure how one draws lines for that- or rough circles- like venn diagrams- but I"m pretty sure you could clump people together in age/time spent under the bar.
You could do the same for running to an extent- but it would literally have more to do with miles run than technique- meaning- whose either more dedicated or just been doing it longer- less about technique.
And no I'm not saying lifting is harder or easier- I'm just saying there is a lot more time spent learning technique- anyone can run if they just go do it- they'll figure it out- without help- coaches or you tube. Do it long enough and you'll get it figured out. You cannot say the same for lifting.0 -
When do I consider myself someone who lifts?
I have a routine based on SL 5x5 that has progression and I know how to do the moves
I've been doing it for a couple of months.
I don't feel self concious any more going going through the moves when people on the cardio machines are watching.
so I sort of feel like a lifter
but
I don't look like someone who lifts - I'm still fat, I don't have gloves or belt or protein shake or massive headphones
I don't sound like someone who lifts - I don't really know what I'm talking about, (preacher curl vs a hammer curl etc.)
I don't squat or deadlift or bench press my bodyweight (yet)
I don't have a barbell so always feel like I'm faking it a bit. (smith machine and dumbells)
If someone said "do you lift" I'd go all giggly and embarassed and say "oh sort of, sometimes"
I call them 'moves' which doesn't sound right.
At what point do you consider youself someone who lifts?
Biker by day, weight lifter by night. You got this!
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I'm a lifter! I don't "look" like a lifter either, yet. My goals are a bit different from most lifters...I'm not cutting and bulking, I'm just trying to lose weight while retaining lean body mass. But just because my goals are different, it doesn't mean I'm less of a lifter than they are.
The first time you pick up a weight, and say "heck yeah, let's do that again!" you're a lifter.
WORD UP !!0 -
You're a beginner lifter right now.
Get two years consistent training under you belt and we can talk again
I feel like this would be the same as telling someone they're not a runner unless they've ran a marathon. :ohwell:
I don't necessarily agree.
While there is some skill to running- I'm not sure it's comparable to the skills/technique in lifting. There is definitely a NEW lifter- a beginner lifter- an intermediate and advanced- I'm not sure how one draws lines for that- or rough circles- like venn diagrams- but I"m pretty sure you could clump people together in age/time spent under the bar.
You could do the same for running to an extent- but it would literally have more to do with miles run than technique- meaning- whose either more dedicated or just been doing it longer- less about technique.
And no I'm not saying lifting is harder or easier- I'm just saying there is a lot more time spent learning technique- anyone can run if they just go do it- they'll figure it out- without help- coaches or you tube. Do it long enough and you'll get it figured out. You cannot say the same for lifting.
ORLY?
:huh:
ETA: I suppose I'd be tempted to say the same thing about things of which I am uninformed...
...if I were inclined to break from my usual approach of saying nothing at all in those situations.0 -
This thread is relevant to my interests.0
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You're a beginner lifter right now.
Get two years consistent training under you belt and we can talk again
I feel like this would be the same as telling someone they're not a runner unless they've ran a marathon. :ohwell:
I don't necessarily agree.
While there is some skill to running- I'm not sure it's comparable to the skills/technique in lifting. There is definitely a NEW lifter- a beginner lifter- an intermediate and advanced- I'm not sure how one draws lines for that- or rough circles- like venn diagrams- but I"m pretty sure you could clump people together in age/time spent under the bar.
You could do the same for running to an extent- but it would literally have more to do with miles run than technique- meaning- whose either more dedicated or just been doing it longer- less about technique.
And no I'm not saying lifting is harder or easier- I'm just saying there is a lot more time spent learning technique- anyone can run if they just go do it- they'll figure it out- without help- coaches or you tube. Do it long enough and you'll get it figured out. You cannot say the same for lifting.
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So basically, as long as I put lots of miles in then I can be in the Olympics, no problem! Score! I'll go line up my sponsors.0 -
That's rubbish- everyone knows you'd need steroids.
I've logged quiet a number of miles on the pavement. I'm not unfamilar with running. It takes heart- and dedication. And the higher end athletes- sure natural talent. But it doesn't take a great deal of skill. You just run. one foot in front of the other. S
There is a hell of a lot less technique and skill involved in running than there is in baseball or lifting or foot ball- or almost any other sport including underwater basket weaving.
Period.
I could absolutely run a marathon. It doesn't take a great deal of skill to simple run. I don't want to- I have no interest in it- but it isn't a question about if I could or could not do it- but I know I could do it.
Can I do a snatch properly? Nope- not yet- I need to do more research and spend more time with a bar learning the technique.
There is a great deal of difference between being out of shape for something and not KNOWING how to do something.
But there is no way you can learn how to lift great tonnage without practicing the technique. If you think otherwise- than you are sorely mistaken. But you can run a marathon with spending any time practicing form or technique.
That's the most ridiculous comparison ever. There is absolutely such a thing as a novice lifter. You can still be a lifter and be novice. it doesn't make you NOT a lifter- it just makes you new at it.0 -
If it helps, we all consider you a lifter.
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You even lift when nobody has to ask and you don't need to post in a diet forum whether you do. You have made a start congratulations. Keep going, read and learn something new everyday. Track your workouts like you track your calories. Focus on progression and you will look back on your current level one day and shake your head at how far you have come. I recommend Mike Mentzer's books for learning about muscle building theory. There is no excuse in the age of information not to know the difference between exercises.0
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That's rubbish- everyone knows you'd need steroids.
I've logged quiet a number of miles on the pavement. I'm not unfamilar with running. It takes heart- and dedication. And the higher end athletes- sure natural talent. But it doesn't take a great deal of skill. You just run. one foot in front of the other. S
There is a hell of a lot less technique and skill involved in running than there is in baseball or lifting or foot ball- or almost any other sport including underwater basket weaving.
Period.
I could absolutely run a marathon. It doesn't take a great deal of skill to simple run. I don't want to- I have no interest in it- but it isn't a question about if I could or could not do it- but I know I could do it.
Can I do a snatch properly? Nope- not yet- I need to do more research and spend more time with a bar learning the technique.
There is a great deal of difference between being out of shape for something and not KNOWING how to do something.
But there is no way you can learn how to lift great tonnage without practicing the technique. If you think otherwise- than you are sorely mistaken. But you can run a marathon with spending any time practicing form or technique.
That's the most ridiculous comparison ever. There is absolutely such a thing as a novice lifter. You can still be a lifter and be novice. it doesn't make you NOT a lifter- it just makes you new at it.
Oh, sure you could run a marathon, given time and conditioning. But, could you run it WELL? Moderately well, sure, but certainly not elite level. For that you need training, which includes learning form, technique, etc.
Until you have become not only a competitive level lifter, but also a truly competitive runner, you really can't say which requires more training. Because you really have no idea what you are talking about.0 -
Is this the thread that will help me figure out what type of fruit shape my body type is?0
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Please tell me you're joking...Well, real lifters don't wear gloves, so you're good there.
You're a lifter when you lift things. Period. Doesn't matter how much, how heavy, or how long.
I'd stay away from the Smith machine, though. That thing is pretty much designed specifically to injure people (I assume it was horrible oversight, and not intentional, but maybe Smith was an orthopedic surgeon in need of patients...)
So you lift, ergo, you're a lifter.
If you're not wearing gloves, you're probably not lifting heavy enough.
Gloves make your hands sweat and your grip weaker. Why would I waste my time with that when chalk does the exact opposite?
Sounds like you're wearing mittens, not gloves. Get out of the ski section.0 -
When...
then and only then have you arrived....LOL0 -
I don't look like someone who lifts - I'm still fat, I don't have gloves or belt or protein shake or massive headphones
You can buy the shakes and the headphones.I don't sound like someone who lifts - I don't really know what I'm talking about
Sounds like a lifter to me.0 -
When do I consider myself someone who lifts?
I have a routine based on SL 5x5 that has progression and I know how to do the moves
I've been doing it for a couple of months.
I don't feel self concious any more going going through the moves when people on the cardio machines are watching.
so I sort of feel like a lifter
but
I don't look like someone who lifts - I'm still fat, I don't have gloves or belt or protein shake or massive headphones
I don't sound like someone who lifts - I don't really know what I'm talking about, (preacher curl vs a hammer curl etc.)
I don't squat or deadlift or bench press my bodyweight (yet)
I don't have a barbell so always feel like I'm faking it a bit. (smith machine and dumbells)
If someone said "do you lift" I'd go all giggly and embarassed and say "oh sort of, sometimes"
I call them 'moves' which doesn't sound right.
At what point do you consider youself someone who lifts?
As soon as you started lifting regularly. You are a lifter (perhaps a beginner one, but one nonetheless). I am, too. Plus, I'm a runner. Not a fast one, but I run regularly, so I'm a runner and lifter.:happy:0 -
I consider my self a lifter because I enjoy lifting; the adrenaline, the endorphins my brain releases in the middle of my workout, the energy I feel.
Now that I think about it, It's almost orgasmic for me. hmmm.. maybe that's why some men try to persuade women into not lifting JK maybe not hehehe 0 -
When I lift, I only wear one glove, ala Michael Jackson. And I moonwalk from station to station.
I just wanted to say that this is my favorite post of the entire thread. :bigsmile:0 -
If you're not wearing gloves, you're probably not lifting heavy enough.
LOLOLOL thanks for that one.0 -
That's rubbish- everyone knows you'd need steroids.
I've logged quiet a number of miles on the pavement. I'm not unfamilar with running. It takes heart- and dedication. And the higher end athletes- sure natural talent. But it doesn't take a great deal of skill. You just run. one foot in front of the other. S
There is a hell of a lot less technique and skill involved in running than there is in baseball or lifting or foot ball- or almost any other sport including underwater basket weaving.
Period.
I could absolutely run a marathon. It doesn't take a great deal of skill to simple run. I don't want to- I have no interest in it- but it isn't a question about if I could or could not do it- but I know I could do it.
Can I do a snatch properly? Nope- not yet- I need to do more research and spend more time with a bar learning the technique.
There is a great deal of difference between being out of shape for something and not KNOWING how to do something.
But there is no way you can learn how to lift great tonnage without practicing the technique. If you think otherwise- than you are sorely mistaken. But you can run a marathon with spending any time practicing form or technique.
That's the most ridiculous comparison ever. There is absolutely such a thing as a novice lifter. You can still be a lifter and be novice. it doesn't make you NOT a lifter- it just makes you new at it.
Oh, sure you could run a marathon, given time and conditioning. But, could you run it WELL? Moderately well, sure, but certainly not elite level. For that you need training, which includes learning form, technique, etc.
Until you have become not only a competitive level lifter, but also a truly competitive runner, you really can't say which requires more training. Because you really have no idea what you are talking about.
I could do it pretty well- I rank well in all my running ventures. I'm an excellent distance runner.
And since I've done both... I feel like I'm standing on fairly solid ground saying I have a CLUE about what I"m talking about.
I'm mean my dead lift is pushing 300 lbs... I'm not exactly naive when it comes to lifting- and I spent 8 years running competitively.0 -
Steve you just need the headphones and your in. 0
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