HOOOOW to make apple cider vinegar drinkable?

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  • bugaboo_sue
    bugaboo_sue Posts: 552 Member
    If it were really as beneficial as some reports say - don't you think everyone would drink it? Stop drinking it, substitute it for other vinegar in your cooking and let it go at that. I'm not sure it's even edible...period.

    If weight loss were really as beneficial as reports say - don't you think everyone would be losing weight?

    In other words, your argument is a fallacy.

    It's entirely edible. I second the recommendation for Bragg's raw with the mother. It has more of an apple taste to it than the pasteurized/conventional stuff.

    Acetic acid, the acid in ACV, actually has potent antiglycemic and antimicrobial effects, both of which have been known and studied for some time now. Acetic acid is even prescribed for outer ear infections. Works great for heartburn, too, depending on the underlying cause (I know, counterinuitive, but it really does, because not all heartburn is caused by too much stomach acid). Also works great as a fabric softener, hair conditioner, all-purpose household cleaner, and for removing various skin blemishes like moles and skin tags.

    Oh, and to answer your question -- more people don't drink it, because societal norms have shifted toward shunning natural remedies in favor of pharmaceuticals, even when the pharmaceuticals are using the very natural remedies that the layman shuns (ie - the acetic acid ear drops for ear infections). Just like how more people don't eat organ meat anymore, even though doing so can supply you with more Vitamin A, Iron, and other nutrients than most other "nutrient powerhouse" foods can even dream of supplying.

    http://authoritynutrition.com/6-proven-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar/ (has around 30 links to PubMed studies)

    I found #3 particularly interesting. But perhaps people will believe you because it has links to med studies.

    3. Apple Cider Vinegar May Lower Blood Sugar Levels, Which is Very Useful For Diabetics
    Type 2 diabetes is characterized by elevated blood sugars, either in the context of insulin resistance or an inability to produce insulin.

    However, elevated blood sugar can also be a problem in people who don’t have diabetes… it is believed to be a major cause of ageing and various chronic diseases.

    So, pretty much everyone should benefit from keeping their blood sugar levels stable.

    The most effective (and healthiest) way to do that is to avoid refined carbs and sugar, but apple cider vinegar may also have a powerful effect.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,951 Member
    Also, what's in apple cider vinegar that's not in malt vinegar or red wine vinegar that has this effect?

    Apples, duh. An apple a day keeps the Mercola at bay.
  • skyekeeper
    skyekeeper Posts: 286 Member
    This is what I buy and use regularly. The information below if from their website.


    B R A G G O R G A N I C A P P L E C I D E R V I N E G A R
    watch video ~ WATCH BRAGG APPLE CIDER VINEGAR INFORMATIONAL VIDEO ~

    Organic, Raw, Unfiltered, with the 'Mother' (Naturally Gluten Free - Certified Non-GMO)

    Apple Cider Vinegar

    Apple Cider Vinegar

    Apple Cider Vinegar

    Ingredients:

    Certified Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar is unfiltered, unheated, unpasteurized and 5% acidity. Contains the amazing Mother of Vinegar which occurs naturally as strand-like enzymes of connected protein molecules.

    Information:

    Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar is made from delicious, healthy, organically grown apples. Processed and bottled in accordance with USDA guidelines, it is Certified Organic by Organic Certifiers and Oregon Tilth; and is Kosher Certified. Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar is full of zesty Apple Cider Vinegarnatural goodness. Non-GMO Certified. It’s a wholesome way to add delicious flavor to salads, veggies, most foods, and even sprinkle over popcorn.

    Apple Cider Vinegar has been highly regarded throughout history. In 400 B.C. the great Hippocrates, Father of Medicine, used it for its amazing health qualities.

    NO REFRIGERATION REQUIRED.


    non gmo verified

    Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar has been
    verified as fully compliant to the
    Non-GMO Project Standard.

    INTERNAL BENEFITS: EXTERNAL BENEFITS:
    •Rich in enzymes & potassium
    •Support a healthy immune system
    •Helps control weight
    •Promotes digestion & ph Balance
    •Helps soothe dry throats
    •Helps remove body sludge toxins
    •Helps maintain healthy skin
    •Helps promote youthful, healthy bodies
    •Soothes irritated skin
    •Relieves muscle pain from exercise
  • jmv7117
    jmv7117 Posts: 891 Member
    Don't drink it. Use it in cooking, e.g. salad dressings, adding it to sauces etc to add some zing, or sprinkle it on chips (french fries (I'm British I call them chips)). Mint sauce is vinegar based, that's another option (if you like traditional British roast dinner).

    Also, the health benefits are exaggerated. It doesn't help you to lose weight, because I use it all the time in cooking and on chips n stuff, and I still got obese.

    The main benefit of it is that it adds a lot of flavour without adding calories. So you can liven up boring salads and other dishes with it. But as much as I love the stuff, I can only drink it neat in tiny quantities at a time (and I only ever did that for dares) and I really wouldn't try to drink any significant quantity down.

    I don't know about helping with weight loss but ACV does help with arthritis pain.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,951 Member
    "Remove body sludge toxins."

    That's rich.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    Please could you people who are touting the benefits of apple cider vinegar explain to me what it is about apple cider vinegar, compared to other vinegars such as red wine vinegar or malt vinegar, that has the health benefits? And also, if it's something specific to apples, then wouldn't apple juice have the same health benefit(s)?

    Also, peer reviewed journal articles would be nice....
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Don't drink it. Those health benefits are HIGHLY overrated.

    If you insist on it, take it with a chaser of your favorite intensely flavorful beverage.

    Actually that is incorrect. Drinking apple cider vinegar before a meal reduces the insulin spike that results from eating.

    How is that even possible? Apple cider vinegar is just fermented apple juice. A lot of the sugar is removed, but that doesn't mean that there isn't still sugar present.

    There have been countless studies on this and the results are lower blood sugar levels.

    http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/contact-us/2475-&action=1
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/06/02/apple-cider-vinegar-hype.aspx
    http://simpledailychange.com/apple-cider-vinegar-for-insulin-sensitivity/
    http://www.thealternativedaily.com/multiple-studies-you-can-control-blood-sugar-with-apple-cider-vinegar/
    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-816-APPLE CIDER VINEGAR.aspx?activeIngredientId=816&activeIngredientName=APPLE CIDER VINEGAR

    Mercola is a well renouned quack. Maybe he has shares in apple cider vinegar.

    You need to be a bit more selective in your reading. Try peer reviewed scientific journal articles.

    You mean like these?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1785201/ -- review, has a bunch of other studies as well
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7796781/
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16034360/
    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/30/11/2814.full
    http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/22/1_MeetingAbstracts/315.2
  • sjaplo
    sjaplo Posts: 974 Member
    If it were really as beneficial as some reports say - don't you think everyone would drink it? Stop drinking it, substitute it for other vinegar in your cooking and let it go at that. I'm not sure it's even edible...period.

    If weight loss were really as beneficial as reports say - don't you think everyone would be losing weight?

    In other words, your argument is a fallacy.

    It's entirely edible. I second the recommendation for Bragg's raw with the mother. It has more of an apple taste to it than the pasteurized/conventional stuff.

    Acetic acid, the acid in ACV, actually has potent antiglycemic and antimicrobial effects, both of which have been known and studied for some time now. Acetic acid is even prescribed for outer ear infections. Works great for heartburn, too, depending on the underlying cause (I know, counterinuitive, but it really does, because not all heartburn is caused by too much stomach acid). Also works great as a fabric softener, hair conditioner, all-purpose household cleaner, and for removing various skin blemishes like moles and skin tags.

    Oh, and to answer your question -- more people don't drink it, because societal norms have shifted toward shunning natural remedies in favor of pharmaceuticals, even when the pharmaceuticals are using the very natural remedies that the layman shuns (ie - the acetic acid ear drops for ear infections). Just like how more people don't eat organ meat anymore, even though doing so can supply you with more Vitamin A, Iron, and other nutrients than most other "nutrient powerhouse" foods can even dream of supplying.

    http://authoritynutrition.com/6-proven-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar/ (has around 30 links to PubMed studies)

    Of course it has "antimicrobial effects" it's a mild acid. That's why it's used as a househould cleaner. You planning on drinking your windex too? Silly argument - but people believe what they want to believe and most will only source links that back up what they want to believe.

    Now "eye of newt" now there's a weight loss diamond!

    cheers
  • yo_andi
    yo_andi Posts: 2,178 Member
    This is what I buy and use regularly. The information below if from their website.


    B R A G G O R G A N I C A P P L E C I D E R V I N E G A R
    watch video ~ WATCH BRAGG APPLE CIDER VINEGAR INFORMATIONAL VIDEO ~

    Organic, Raw, Unfiltered, with the 'Mother' (Naturally Gluten Free - Certified Non-GMO)

    Apple Cider Vinegar

    Apple Cider Vinegar

    Apple Cider Vinegar

    Ingredients:

    Certified Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar is unfiltered, unheated, unpasteurized and 5% acidity. Contains the amazing Mother of Vinegar which occurs naturally as strand-like enzymes of connected protein molecules.

    Information:

    Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar is made from delicious, healthy, organically grown apples. Processed and bottled in accordance with USDA guidelines, it is Certified Organic by Organic Certifiers and Oregon Tilth; and is Kosher Certified. Bragg Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar is full of zesty Apple Cider Vinegarnatural goodness. Non-GMO Certified. It’s a wholesome way to add delicious flavor to salads, veggies, most foods, and even sprinkle over popcorn.

    Apple Cider Vinegar has been highly regarded throughout history. In 400 B.C. the great Hippocrates, Father of Medicine, used it for its amazing health qualities.

    NO REFRIGERATION REQUIRED.


    non gmo verified

    Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar has been
    verified as fully compliant to the
    Non-GMO Project Standard.

    INTERNAL BENEFITS: EXTERNAL BENEFITS:
    •Rich in enzymes & potassium
    •Support a healthy immune system
    •Helps control weight
    •Promotes digestion & ph Balance
    •Helps soothe dry throats
    •Helps remove body sludge toxins
    •Helps maintain healthy skin
    •Helps promote youthful, healthy bodies
    •Soothes irritated skin
    •Relieves muscle pain from exercise

    DaFUQ is a "body sludge toxin"?! Unless you're talking about that mess in the toilet on Sunday morning after heavy drinking on Saturday night... 'cause that's pretty sludgey!
  • Jacwhite22
    Jacwhite22 Posts: 7,012 Member
    suppository
  • leggup
    leggup Posts: 2,942 Member
    Ohh Mercola...

    Don't bother with that rubbish.

    If you insist on having it in your diet, try it in recipes that would use white vinegar. Salad dressings come to mind.
  • skyekeeper
    skyekeeper Posts: 286 Member
    Please could you people who are touting the benefits of apple cider vinegar explain to me what it is about apple cider vinegar, compared to other vinegars such as red wine vinegar or malt vinegar, that has the health benefits? And also, if it's something specific to apples, then wouldn't apple juice have the same health benefit(s)?

    Also, peer reviewed journal articles would be nice....

    Not to be rude by any means, but if you need to read such articles, can't you look them up? I'm sure the benefits from just an apple is fine, I love apples and eat them regularly as well. I just thought the information from the website of the maker of this ACV would be helpful.

    I believe it is personal preference. If you find a way you like it, drink it or use it. If not, don't. I happen to like it. I cannot say for sure, but I have been told that other vinegars are offer great health benefits as well.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    If it were really as beneficial as some reports say - don't you think everyone would drink it? Stop drinking it, substitute it for other vinegar in your cooking and let it go at that. I'm not sure it's even edible...period.

    If weight loss were really as beneficial as reports say - don't you think everyone would be losing weight?

    In other words, your argument is a fallacy.

    It's entirely edible. I second the recommendation for Bragg's raw with the mother. It has more of an apple taste to it than the pasteurized/conventional stuff.

    Acetic acid, the acid in ACV, actually has potent antiglycemic and antimicrobial effects, both of which have been known and studied for some time now. Acetic acid is even prescribed for outer ear infections. Works great for heartburn, too, depending on the underlying cause (I know, counterinuitive, but it really does, because not all heartburn is caused by too much stomach acid). Also works great as a fabric softener, hair conditioner, all-purpose household cleaner, and for removing various skin blemishes like moles and skin tags.

    Oh, and to answer your question -- more people don't drink it, because societal norms have shifted toward shunning natural remedies in favor of pharmaceuticals, even when the pharmaceuticals are using the very natural remedies that the layman shuns (ie - the acetic acid ear drops for ear infections). Just like how more people don't eat organ meat anymore, even though doing so can supply you with more Vitamin A, Iron, and other nutrients than most other "nutrient powerhouse" foods can even dream of supplying.

    http://authoritynutrition.com/6-proven-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar/ (has around 30 links to PubMed studies)

    I found #3 particularly interesting. But perhaps people will believe you because it has links to med studies.

    3. Apple Cider Vinegar May Lower Blood Sugar Levels, Which is Very Useful For Diabetics
    Type 2 diabetes is characterized by elevated blood sugars, either in the context of insulin resistance or an inability to produce insulin.

    However, elevated blood sugar can also be a problem in people who don’t have diabetes… it is believed to be a major cause of ageing and various chronic diseases.

    So, pretty much everyone should benefit from keeping their blood sugar levels stable.

    The most effective (and healthiest) way to do that is to avoid refined carbs and sugar, but apple cider vinegar may also have a powerful effect.

    Please can you link me to the actual scientific studies that these statements are based on. Otherwise it's just words on a screen. Anyone can type words on a screen.


    "The health benefits of eating ants: 1. they contain formic acid which helps to protect you from tennis elbow. 2. they are a good source of protein. 3. The keratin in their exoskeleton gives you glossy hair and shiny fingernails. 4. Wild chimpanzees eat them all the time, and look how healthy and strong they are."

    See? I just made that up off the top of my head. Mix of stuff I know about ants and stuff I just made up right now for a laugh. How do we know the difference? Well, unless I can show you peer reviewed journal articles to back up each point (and I can, for some, such as chimpanzees eating ants and the fact that ants contain formic acid, protein and ketatin) and the claim that there's a health benefit in humans eating ants, then you can dismiss what I'm saying as whacko-jacko. And yes, I can back up about 60% of what's written up there with scientific sources, so beware of quacks who do exactly the same thing, i.e. mix of fact and stuff they just made up to sell you something, and then back up the facts that you can back up with semi relevant scientific sources so it *looks like* you did all your research, but actually you just made up about 40% of it.
  • Laurenloveswaffles
    Laurenloveswaffles Posts: 535 Member
    Don't drink it. Those health benefits are HIGHLY overrated.

    If you insist on it, take it with a chaser of your favorite intensely flavorful beverage.

    Actually that is incorrect. Drinking apple cider vinegar before a meal reduces the insulin spike that results from eating.

    How is that even possible? Apple cider vinegar is just fermented apple juice. A lot of the sugar is removed, but that doesn't mean that there isn't still sugar present.

    There have been countless studies on this and the results are lower blood sugar levels.

    http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/contact-us/2475-&action=1
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/06/02/apple-cider-vinegar-hype.aspx
    http://simpledailychange.com/apple-cider-vinegar-for-insulin-sensitivity/
    http://www.thealternativedaily.com/multiple-studies-you-can-control-blood-sugar-with-apple-cider-vinegar/
    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-816-APPLE CIDER VINEGAR.aspx?activeIngredientId=816&activeIngredientName=APPLE CIDER VINEGAR

    Mercola is a well renouned quack. Maybe he has shares in apple cider vinegar.

    You need to be a bit more selective in your reading. Try peer reviewed scientific journal articles.

    You mean like these?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1785201/ -- review, has a bunch of other studies as well
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7796781/
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16034360/
    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/30/11/2814.full
    http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/22/1_MeetingAbstracts/315.2

    So we should praise a study that has 5 subjects like most of these? No thanks.
  • sjaplo
    sjaplo Posts: 974 Member
    Don't drink it. Those health benefits are HIGHLY overrated.

    If you insist on it, take it with a chaser of your favorite intensely flavorful beverage.

    Actually that is incorrect. Drinking apple cider vinegar before a meal reduces the insulin spike that results from eating.

    How is that even possible? Apple cider vinegar is just fermented apple juice. A lot of the sugar is removed, but that doesn't mean that there isn't still sugar present.

    There have been countless studies on this and the results are lower blood sugar levels.

    http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/contact-us/2475-&action=1
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/06/02/apple-cider-vinegar-hype.aspx
    http://simpledailychange.com/apple-cider-vinegar-for-insulin-sensitivity/
    http://www.thealternativedaily.com/multiple-studies-you-can-control-blood-sugar-with-apple-cider-vinegar/
    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-816-APPLE CIDER VINEGAR.aspx?activeIngredientId=816&activeIngredientName=APPLE CIDER VINEGAR

    Mercola is a well renouned quack. Maybe he has shares in apple cider vinegar.

    You need to be a bit more selective in your reading. Try peer reviewed scientific journal articles.

    You mean like these?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1785201/ -- review, has a bunch of other studies as well
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7796781/
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16034360/
    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/30/11/2814.full
    http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/22/1_MeetingAbstracts/315.2

    From the first study (Did you actually read it by the way?);

    "But whether vinegar is a useful adjunct therapy for individuals with diabetes or prediabetes has yet to be determined"
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Please could you people who are touting the benefits of apple cider vinegar explain to me what it is about apple cider vinegar, compared to other vinegars such as red wine vinegar or malt vinegar, that has the health benefits? And also, if it's something specific to apples, then wouldn't apple juice have the same health benefit(s)?

    Also, peer reviewed journal articles would be nice....

    The active ingredient, acetic acid, is largely what provides most of the benefits, though raw AVC, like Bragg's also includes a number of probiotics, which have their own benefits. On the acetic acid front, though, it doesn't really much matter, as long as it has a sufficient concentration of acetic acid. In that aspect, white vinegar has the same benefits, though I'd argue that ACV tastes better, but that's just personal preference.

    As for other vinegars, I'd suspect that the stock for making it may leave certain properties that could have different effects. Balsamic vinegar, for example, is made from grapes and is sweet. I suspect it therefore has more sugar in it. If that's the case, then the sugar may defeat the antiglycemic effects of the acetic acid (just a guess there, though).

    Wikipedia has a good run down of the different types of vinegars and what they're made from -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinegar#Varieties
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,951 Member

    Not to be rude by any means, but if you need to read such articles, can't you look them up? I'm sure the benefits from just an apple is fine, I love apples and eat them regularly as well. I just thought the information from the website of the maker of this ACV would be helpful.

    Generally, in reasonable circles, the person who is making a claim that the rest deem rather spurious has the onus of providing incontrovertible proof. Otherwise, there's no legitimacy to the argument.

    Essentially, if you make an argument, be prepared to back it up with facts, not beliefs, fallacies, or mythology. Marketing falls into the realm of mythology. Particularly from a vendor that understands that the most powerful thing to present to their customer base is voodoo mythology.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,951 Member
    From the first study (Did you actually read it by the way?);

    "But whether vinegar is a useful adjunct therapy for individuals with diabetes or prediabetes has yet to be determined"

    I think that is a good example of how scientific understanding is so low right now. They read something with fairly easy to understand language, and still didn't understand the resulting conclusion.