Master Cleanse?

agentjayd007

Hey all, I am a 20 year old gymnastics coach who could lose a few pounds. I am around 180 right now and I wanna drop the fat I have on my stomach and pectorals. I have a pool party to go to in about a month with my new girlfriend and shes never seen me without my shirt, and I am afraid to show myself with the fat I have going on. Im not obese, but I would really like to lose this weight.

I have heard how people can lose 10-15 pounds in 10 days on the Master Cleanse, and I was wondering if this is ok to go with? Any input on anything about losing weight will be greatly appreciated.

agentjayd007

Hey all, I am a 20 year old gymnastics coach who could lose a few pounds. I am around 180 right now and I wanna drop the fat I have on my stomach and pectorals. I have a pool party to go to in about a month with my new girlfriend and shes never seen me without my shirt, and I am afraid to show myself with the fat I have going on. Im not obese, but I would really like to lose this weight.

I have heard how people can lose 10-15 pounds in 10 days on the Master Cleanse, and I was wondering if this is ok to go with? Any input on anything about losing weight will be greatly appreciated.

mablesyrup

Well you shouldn't want to lose weight for your girlfriend! But anyways- I'm a HUGE fan of the master cleanse... you should buy the book and read it (it costs all of $6).. and read WHY you should do the master cleanse.. most people don't do the cleanse to just lose weight- it's actually a cleanse for your body and helps detoxify your system. I think 10lbs is a bit much to lose in a week- unless you are severly overweight- then it's possible.


*** I weighed 260lbs the last time I did the master cleanse- and I didn't lose 10lbs in a week!

agentjayd007

Thanks, there are also some websites that talk about how the master cleanse isn't there to make you lose weight...I thought it was though? I know it does other stuff, but this was saying that it shouldn't be used as a weight loss tool.

mablesyrup

Thanks, there are also some websites that talk about how the master cleanse isn't there to make you lose weight...I thought it was though? I know it does other stuff, but this was saying that it shouldn't be used as a weight loss tool.

That is correct. One of the "side-effects" of doing the cleanse can possibly be weight loss- but that's not the reason to do the cleanse!!!! If you want to loose weight, just watch calories etc and exercise! It's not going to hurt you to do the master cleanse- after all- it is a cleanse! It will make you feel better! The master cleanse is also called the "lemonade cleanse" because basically you are drinking lemon juice mixed with pure maple syrup and some cyanne pepper! But if you read up- you know that the mix actually contains all of the nutrients you need for a day!

jcummings69

Good luck if you decide to try this. Last week I decided I wanted to try this cleanse starting today, well that lasted a whole 2 hours! I thought to myself "How bad can the salt water drink really be?" Well it was one of the most disgusting things I have ever experienced. Seriously, you have to drink a whole quart of this mixture and it left me gagging after one sip (through a straw I might add). Still I was determined and I managed to drink it (it took me 40 minutes). I had water shooting out of me for the next 2 hours (sorry to be graphic but it was BAD). Still, I was determined to do this. But after one sip of the lemonade I was done! It was super spicy and nasty. There was NOOOOOOOO way I was going to suffer that much for 10 days!

Phatmomma

I've done it with my mom. It isn't too bad the sea salt is for a reason too. (read the book or get it free online and you can check out books at library) it isn't for weight loss but you do loose weight. I lost about 15 lbs in a week. But again my normal metabolism is very high/fast so when I dropped calories unred 2k I lost a bit more than average. But my mom still lost like 10 lbs. The weight loss is a side effect the cleanse is to actually cleanse your digestive system. Never do any cleanse for sole purpose of weight loss. Now that said, since you said you only have some belly fat to get rid of and you have a month-why not try an intense abd workout? (be sure to get o.k. from your doc if you haven't been active) You can drop at least 3 inches maybe more and tone your abs in a month. I'm assuming youa ren't very big since you said your girlfriend hadn't seen you shirtless so I assume you only have a pooch pouch that is easily hidden under your shirt.

mablesyrup

Good luck if you decide to try this. Last week I decided I wanted to try this cleanse starting today, well that lasted a whole 2 hours! I thought to myself "How bad can the salt water drink really be?" Well it was one of the most disgusting things I have ever experienced. Seriously, you have to drink a whole quart of this mixture and it left me gagging after one sip (through a straw I might add). Still I was determined and I managed to drink it (it took me 40 minutes). I had water shooting out of me for the next 2 hours (sorry to be graphic but it was BAD). Still, I was determined to do this. But after one sip of the lemonade I was done! It was super spicy and nasty. There was NOOOOOOOO way I was going to suffer that much for 10 days!

The salt water is horrible- I agree. We usually skip the salt water (hehe). Anyways though- you can adjust the amount of syrup and cyan pepper to your taste!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't like the pepper in the drink- you can buy cyanne pepper 'pills' at the health food store- just take those instead!!!! We bought disolving gel caps that are empty and use reg cyanne pepper and fill them and use those instead of putting it in the lemonade. Also- PUT IT IN THE FRIDGE first- it's sooo much better to drink cold. I can't stand the syrup- so i opt for less and I love the taste. I fill a big water bottle, and carry it around with me all day to drink on... instead of trying to drink it all at once. After you've done it a few days it's not bad at all. You will begin to actually like the lemonade drink!!!!!!!! Sometimes when i'm not doing the cleanse (ie now when i'm pregnant) i start thinking, "man i really want one of those drinks!"

Xtracrispy69

Topics like this are how the health food industry keeps afloat...watch your eating do a little exercise and you can drop a few pounds in time....the reliance of humans on quick fixes is crazy...

banks1850

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/79/96262.htm

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/detox-diets/AN01334

please read the above articles. You lose mainly water weight on these diets. And they strip your body of helpful bacteria, the ones that break down nutriance in your body. I would say, ONLY ever do this kind of program if instructed by a doctor or a CERTIFIED nutritionist or dietician. They can be harmful and can lead to gallbladder issues very quickly! The body already has a means to cleanse the system of toxins, and unless there is something wrong with those organs (the liver and kidneys), then you don't need to detox usually because they do a very good job on their own.

Phatmomma

Topics like this are how the health food industry keeps afloat...watch your eating do a little exercise and you can drop a few pounds in time....the reliance of humans on quick fixes is crazy...

For those into holistic medicine or because of their religions or eating lifestyles (like me) I have to again say this is NOT a diet. This being master cleanse. Also the organs don't always do a good job, in fact in most humans the organs are not even remotely operating at their best. (processed food, more over eating, pollution, stress, and the list goes on). if this was the ACTUAL case, a FACT, then we would not need the thousands of internal medicine doctors or the MILLIONS of products that are FDA approved to treat millions of stomach and intestinal disorders. Natural medicine has been around since the dawn of time before high priced and often unnecessary pharmaceuticals.
Again the master cleanse is not a diet:mad: , not a quick fix:mad: , and not to be done without supervision of a physician. Nor should any cleanses.
Again if the guy only has a tiny pooch, he could very well tone his abs in one month and drop 3 inches from his waist ( probably more but 3 inches with daily ab work is very doable and can be done safely as well). DOING EXCERCISE! A BASIC DEDICATION 2 TIMES A DAY TO A 15 MINUTE AB WORKOUT (AND SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS WALKING AT A BRISK PACE EACH NIGHT FOR 30 MINUTES)
I think as far as natural healing and medicine, some outsiders are skeptical:yawn: But the medical profession is embracing their roots and actually incorporating natural healing such as cleanses, acupuncture, fasting, meditation, hyponisis, and other natural treatments for minor to major illnesses. The US is the ONLY nation that had not since maybe the 80's encouraged natural healing or had fasting or cleansing as a mainstream ritual to rest the body and balance natural flora, yeast, and healthy bacteria. Other countries strive on using what they have and not OVER medicating. Our bodies were designed to rid themselves of dangerous waste-but keep in mind all the MAN-MADE pollution and hazards we have. I can't even get to my office without going through a wall of smokers and bus fumes and fumes from those HORRIBLE hummers. Even the human body wasn't designed to fight carbon monoxide, pesticides, etc. So our organs need all the help they can get, this isn't Eden Banks:noway: This is a METROPOLITAN BOWL of poisonous GOO we live in-the US all for the sake of convieniance and ease.
Not everyone wants to be on drugs for reflux, constipation, diverticulitis, diabetes and other illnesses which have natural cures /courses of treatment.

banks1850

While I have no problem with holistic medicine in general. I respectfully disagree with the idea that the liver and kidneys don't do a very good job. I have, infact spoken to my doctor about these and he has assured me, quite adimantly, that any kind of colonic, or bacterial cleansing is not only unnecessary, but possibly harmful. This is my doctor saying that, someone who I highly respect and is very well respected in his field.

I specifically asked about these kind of treatments because of past questions regarding cleanses. He told me straight up. Cleanses strip the body of the good bacteria found in the intestinal walls, the stuff that helps break down food and helps to keep the body healthy. Removing them can increase your risk of infection as well as decreasing the efficiency at which your body absorbs nutriants.

please read this additional article on detox programs

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595886/

or alternatively watch these videos on the master cleanse diet
This person is a Registered Dietician

http://www.videojug.com/interview/master-cleanse-diet-myths-2

Please, I'm not being argumentative, I just want to make sure people are healthy. I'm no smarter then the next guy, which is why I asked professionals about this. I think if you want to try something like this, please, just ask your doctor, if they are ok with it. Then what more do you need to know?

number8

I love the MC. I rolled on the floor laughing at jcummings description post salt water!!

number8

I've done the MC for 10 days 2 times now. EACH time at about day 8, people start commenting on my complexion - they say it's beautiful. ALSO, when I'm jogging, even after a week of doing the MC, I have so much energy!!! I've had my best jogs while doing the MC. I LOVE THE MC!! (I also lost weight)

mablesyrup

Topics like this are how the health food industry keeps afloat...watch your eating do a little exercise and you can drop a few pounds in time....the reliance of humans on quick fixes is crazy...

For those into holistic medicine or because of their religions or eating lifestyles (like me) I have to again say this is NOT a diet. This being master cleanse. Also the organs don't always do a good job, in fact in most humans the organs are not even remotely operating at their best. (processed food, more over eating, pollution, stress, and the list goes on). if this was the ACTUAL case, a FACT, then we would not need the thousands of internal medicine doctors or the MILLIONS of products that are FDA approved to treat millions of stomach and intestinal disorders. Natural medicine has been around since the dawn of time before high priced and often unnecessary pharmaceuticals.
Again the master cleanse is not a diet:mad: , not a quick fix:mad: , and not to be done without supervision of a physician. Nor should any cleanses.
Again if the guy only has a tiny pooch, he could very well tone his abs in one month and drop 3 inches from his waist ( probably more but 3 inches with daily ab work is very doable and can be done safely as well). DOING EXCERCISE! A BASIC DEDICATION 2 TIMES A DAY TO A 15 MINUTE AB WORKOUT (AND SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS WALKING AT A BRISK PACE EACH NIGHT FOR 30 MINUTES)
I think as far as natural healing and medicine, some outsiders are skeptical:yawn: But the medical profession is embracing their roots and actually incorporating natural healing such as cleanses, acupuncture, fasting, meditation, hyponisis, and other natural treatments for minor to major illnesses. The US is the ONLY nation that had not since maybe the 80's encouraged natural healing or had fasting or cleansing as a mainstream ritual to rest the body and balance natural flora, yeast, and healthy bacteria. Other countries strive on using what they have and not OVER medicating. Our bodies were designed to rid themselves of dangerous waste-but keep in mind all the MAN-MADE pollution and hazards we have. I can't even get to my office without going through a wall of smokers and bus fumes and fumes from those HORRIBLE hummers. Even the human body wasn't designed to fight carbon monoxide, pesticides, etc. So our organs need all the help they can get, this isn't Eden Banks:noway: This is a METROPOLITAN BOWL of poisonous GOO we live in-the US all for the sake of convieniance and ease.
Not everyone wants to be on drugs for reflux, constipation, diverticulitis, diabetes and other illnesses which have natural cures /courses of treatment.

I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!

mablesyrup

While I have no problem with holistic medicine in general. I respectfully disagree with the idea that the liver and kidneys don't do a very good job. I have, infact spoken to my doctor about these and he has assured me, quite adimantly, that any kind of colonic, or bacterial cleansing is not only unnecessary, but possibly harmful. This is my doctor saying that, someone who I highly respect and is very well respected in his field.

I specifically asked about these kind of treatments because of past questions regarding cleanses. He told me straight up. Cleanses strip the body of the good bacteria found in the intestinal walls, the stuff that helps break down food and helps to keep the body healthy. Removing them can increase your risk of infection as well as decreasing the efficiency at which your body absorbs nutriants.

please read this additional article on detox programs

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595886/

or alternatively watch these videos on the master cleanse diet
This person is a Registered Dietician

http://www.videojug.com/interview/master-cleanse-diet-myths-2

Please, I'm not being argumentative, I just want to make sure people are healthy. I'm no smarter then the next guy, which is why I asked professionals about this. I think if you want to try something like this, please, just ask your doctor, if they are ok with it. Then what more do you need to know?

Well just because someone is a Doctor does not mean they know all. That's like saying the US goverment really cares about us. Just because something is approved by the FDA doesn't mean it's safe.. just because something isn't approved by the FDA does not mean it isn't safe! I think the most important thing a person can do is to educate themselves! Doctors believe they care about you- but go work in a doctors office. THe bottom line is money. Why is there such a huge push for perscription drugs? Why are their constantly good looking pharamacuetical reps in and out all day long? They only care about money. The sick we are- the more money they make. Our bodies are AMAZING things- WHEN THEY ARE TAKEN CARE OF! They werent meant for all of the toxins and chemicals we injest. Our bodies have become extremely toxic and I bet most would be surprised at just how much it effects their bodies and organ functions!!!! I don't think people are as healthy as many of them think they are! We have WONDERFUL and amazing immune systems- Ok nevermind, I digress for now. Sorry, i'm not dogging on you at all or anything.. just wanted to say my .02 about these things.

Xtracrispy69

The body self regulates and cleans just fine....watch your diet and don't put the junk in there that could cause damage....watch what you eat and exercise....your body will do amazing

Helawat

Don't you think more people would be dying or on organ transplant lists if the body's organs didn't effectively flush out toxins from our systems?

Have you considered that we need thousands of internal medicine doctors to meet the demands of simple economics? Population growth and density are a huge factor. Without a surplus of doctors, the cost of a simple checkup would be astronomical.

Do you also recognize that internal medicine does more than to treat the overall body? Internal medicine also treats drug addictions, psychological pains, cognitive/speech disorders, and infectious disease?

You may describe America as a "metropolitan bowl of poisonous goo" but the Middle Ages didn't have it so well either. They had natural medicine _and_ The Black Plague. In my metropolitan goo laced country, I fail to see any disease wipe 1/3 of its denizens from the map. Maybe that's due to the contributions of modern medicine.

You may call many drugs "unnecessary pharmaceuticals" but until you provide scientific research from a journal which proves that holistic medicine has the same capacity to treat cancer than drugs like cisplatin or behavioral/cognitive disorders, then you'll prove my point why we need so many internal medicine doctors.

Phatmomma

Thank you. Neither am I. I simply prefer open intelligent dialect on most topics. Again our bodies are not exposed to NATURAL toxins only. That is not relaity and therefore they are taxed everyday. I'm aware of the benefits of western medicine and I also embrace holistic medicine. My doctor told me that the benefits of cleansing actually cured or rather FINALLY treated my IBS which I was diagnosed with in college. I would go up to two weeks with no bowel movement (yep I said almost two weeks in fact 13 days the last time and I was using every pill they gave me and would have gone into the hospital for surgery if the medicine didn't produce a bowel mvmt in 24 hours) The problem is the instestines can't eliminate UNHEALTHY bacteria all the time. We need "germs" to survive but to much is not healthy.
We all know too that antibiotics used to treat most bacterial overgorwths an dinfections also KILL healthy bacteria,you would agree or not Banks and also might and probably will make our bodies immune to treatment with antibiotics if and when we need them again. Hmmm would you agree or not?
My doctor (and not just the one I'm dating) says antibiotics are OVERUSED ., Also everyone knows that it really is all about the DOLLAR. If they let you know you can treat many common bowel porblems naturally then you won't need to come to them for repeat visits and follow up. And how will they ever pay for their country club memberships or newest Lexus without that?
I do not knock western medicine, I also respectfull disagree that a practice that has been used for thousands of years (cleansing and fasting) and has not had documented proof of death of major organ failure when done RIGHT and not for the purpose of weight loss, is not beneficial.
In fact my own mother just got out of intensive care last weekend after almost DYING because she trusted her internal medicine doctors. She had two blood transfusions and 5 colonostomies and trusted only in the medicine. She was misdaignosed, suffered a lot of pain, nearly 800,000 thousand in medical bills and the near depletion of her lifetime benefits. She was overmedicated as well. Yet what it turned out to be-diverticulitis-was treated and can be prevented with cleansing (which she had and the doctor ordered it in the HOSPITAL) and dietary changes. The antibiotics did not work and the bleeding was missed for a whole week. Now that she has gone holistic (well as holistic as my mother will go lol) she has stopped bleeding and her system is getting back to normal and the test have all come back fine to date. I had wanted to leave that part out as I don't see a need to blast my private life online, however I wanted to clarify why my stance is what it is. Now since the head of internal medicine at a major hospital gave my mother a cleanse (after finding the cause of bleeding and to rest her digestive system) I have to stand firm in my belief on that one. It could also be the influence of his his culture combined with his Harvard degree as cleansing is a part of the Asian culture and most cultures and to a degree many religions.

While I have no problem with holistic medicine in general. I respectfully disagree with the idea that the liver and kidneys don't do a very good job. I have, infact spoken to my doctor about these and he has assured me, quite adimantly, that any kind of colonic, or bacterial cleansing is not only unnecessary, but possibly harmful. This is my doctor saying that, someone who I highly respect and is very well respected in his field.

I specifically asked about these kind of treatments because of past questions regarding cleanses. He told me straight up. Cleanses strip the body of the good bacteria found in the intestinal walls, the stuff that helps break down food and helps to keep the body healthy. Removing them can increase your risk of infection as well as decreasing the efficiency at which your body absorbs nutriants.

please read this additional article on detox programs

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18595886/

or alternatively watch these videos on the master cleanse diet
This person is a Registered Dietician

http://www.videojug.com/interview/master-cleanse-diet-myths-2

Please, I'm not being argumentative, I just want to make sure people are healthy. I'm no smarter then the next guy, which is why I asked professionals about this. I think if you want to try something like this, please, just ask your doctor, if they are ok with it. Then what more do you need to know?

lilmandy89

What is the Master Cleanse??

Julie1984

I just watched an episode of Pen & Teller: B.S.! last night about this sort of thing, and it was quite entertaining. As others have already pointed out, the body does a fine job of "detoxing" itself, and most of these programs have a lot more to do with relieving you of your money rather than your health problems. One guy on the show was actually charging $40 a bottle for a concoction that was mostly water and sugar- ha!

Phatmomma

Don't you think more people would be dying or on organ transplant lists if the body's organs didn't effectively flush out toxins from our systems? -You mean other than the 3 million people waiting for organs nationwide?

Have you considered that we need thousands of internal medicine doctors to meet the demands of simple economics? Population growth and density are a huge factor. Without a surplus of doctors, the cost of a simple checkup would be astronomical. -
Internal Medicine is a SPECIALTY-not family medicine. This means more people are suffering the effects of processed foods, environmental pollutants, stress, etc. that . If there was a spurt in the number of OB's I'd blame it on population...

Do you also recognize that internal medicine does more than to treat the overall body? Internal medicine also treats drug addictions, psychological pains, cognitive/speech disorders, and infectious disease?-Hmm most people associate the specialty with digestive orgrans, colons, etc. Perhaps the damage drugs do ont he organs themselves, and the damage of other diseases on internal organs. Didn't know they also handled speech pathology

You may describe America as a "metropolitan bowl of poisonous goo" but the Middle Ages didn't have it so well either. They had natural medicine _and_ The Black Plague. In my metropolitan goo laced country, I fail to see any disease wipe 1/3 of its denizens from the map. Maybe that's due to the contributions of modern medicine. -Hmmm yes that is true as AIDS is a virus.

You may call many drugs "unnecessary pharmaceuticals" but until you provide scientific research from a journal which proves that holistic medicine has the same capacity to treat cancer than drugs like cisplatin or behavioral/cognitive disorders, then you'll prove my point why we need so many internal medicine doctors.-Yes many not ALL. It's very EASY to quote out of context, but it isn't necessary. This isn't a personal attack just a discussion. Also there is research published on holistic treatment for certain conditions. Which is why you will see MD's now perform acupuncture. Also leeching is used in hospitals worldwide for limb reattachment. Fiber is used to treat constipation and lower colesterol, Soy used to treat menapause, breastmilk used to treat conjunctivitis, tee tree oil to skin infections, and natural clinics that use modern medicine and holistic to treat CANCER such as Susan Summers used. Pediatricians are suggesting natural treatments for flu and cold since they cannot prescribe infant cold anf flu medicine (sans the recall), and pediatricians using NATURAL treatments or folk remedies to treat EAR INFECTIONS since they have said now antibiotics do more damage than good. I oculd go on, but I won't. I never at any point said throw out your medicine and get you some roots and garlic to cure everything. I'm saying that both fiels have VALIDITY and that cleansing has been around for thousands of years. Not to lose weight which was the ORIGINAL discussion, but for spiritual and healing purposes.

Phatmomma

What is the Master Cleanse??

It's a simple mixture designed to detoxify the body and give your digestive system a rest. Not to be used for weight loss (although that is what hollyweird has been doing) and not without Drs supervision. Not for long term. I'd suggest reading up on it and talking to yur doctor and a holistic medicine expert if remotely considering ANY cleanse, diet, excercise program.
You can read the pros and CONS online for free and get the book for free at your local library. It isn't anything to get money from as you buy the ingredients at your local grocery store. It's all home done. Millions do it each year. Some would never do it. Some like it, some hate it.

Phatmomma

Well just because someone is a Doctor does not mean they know all. That's like saying the US goverment really cares about us. Just because something is approved by the FDA doesn't mean it's safe.. just because something isn't approved by the FDA does not mean it isn't safe! I think the most important thing a person can do is to educate themselves! Doctors believe they care about you- but go work in a doctors office. THe bottom line is money. Why is there such a huge push for perscription drugs? Why are their constantly good looking pharamacuetical reps in and out all day long? They only care about money. The sick we are- the more money they make. Our bodies are AMAZING things- WHEN THEY ARE TAKEN CARE OF! They werent meant for all of the toxins and chemicals we injest. Our bodies have become extremely toxic and I bet most would be surprised at just how much it effects their bodies and organ functions!!!! I don't think people are as healthy as many of them think they are! We have WONDERFUL and amazing immune systems- Ok nevermind, I digress for now. Sorry, i'm not dogging on you at all or anything.. just wanted to say my .02 about these things.

I totally agree and I thank you. I'm not argumentative but I encoruage people to think for themselves. It seems one is met with harshness if you DARE disagree or provide a DIFFERENT point of view. I don't shun Western medicine. What I do it seek educated information from as many sources as possible and make the best decision for my body. I've had several unnecessary surgeries all because the MD wanted to pad his pockets and tax me and insurance.
My mom almost died for the same purposes because what she had should have been caught and could have been treated naturally from the beginning almost a year ago and NEVER was until she was pouring bloood and in intensive care less than 2 weeks ago.
In the end the doc using both types of medicine finally treated her. And using a cleanse for 1 week and no solid food.
My baby also suffered after a bad case of food poisoning that caused dehydration and hair loss and weight loss and so on. Nothing the MD gave worked. Then after 2 weeks of my baby suffering I simply solely nursed her and gradually introduced whole foods pureed and naturally cleansing and used acidophilis (sp?) and a few other holistic techniques from a specialist and she was back to normal in a few days. The MD just kept shooting her with stuff which never worked for 2 whole weeks!
Now granted if my kids break a limb I'm not fixing that naturally or if they need something removed. But I'm also more apt to treat an ear infection naturally from now on than let them give her UNNECESSARY antibiotics.

Phatmomma

While I have no problem with holistic medicine in general. I respectfully disagree with the idea that the liver and kidneys don't do a very good job. I have, infact spoken to my doctor about these and he has assured me, quite adimantly, that any kind of colonic, or bacterial cleansing is not only unnecessary, but possibly harmful. This is my doctor saying that, someone who I highly respect and is very well respected in his field.
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I NEVER said they don't work (livers/idneys) in fact what I did say was that they are overtaxed and exposed to things that are UNNATURAL. I so loathe being quoted out of context, it is unfair. So maybe in ideal situations such as only being exposed to things that occur naturally, we would not even be having this DISCUSSION. The truth is a kidney or colon wasn't designed to combat toxic waste, dangerous gases, heck TAR and nicotin-but they have to TRY to fight it anyway.

Besides, what else would he say? I mean really? I'm not going to send my clients to talk it out without me lol. It's my livelihood. Hmm possibly harmful-Everything is possibly harmful in the wrong hands or in excess. That is why I clearly said CONFER WITH YOUR DOCTOR as well as your holistic specialist. Our hospitals here have BOTH. I forgot to mention that fact. You can google it and most of the HOSPITALS here now have both on site.

Julie1984

Oh, some doctors definitely prescribe unnecessary antibiotics... my mom's doctor gives them to her for anything and everything, and now her body is very resistant to them so they barely work for her when she actually needs them. It's a good idea to be wary and check into any medical advice, traditional or non.

Phatmomma

Oh, some doctors definitely prescribe unnecessary antibiotics... my mom's doctor gives them to her for anything and everything, and now her body is very resistant to them so they barely work for her when she actually needs them. It's a good idea to be wary and check into any medical advice, traditional or non.

Thanks:flowerforyou: . That's all I was trying to say-look into both. I went through 2 years of college drugged up on diaretics, antibiotics, pain killers, antiiflammatories, laxitives, and more. And on the outside I looked super fit. But I was always puking and none of it worked and often I was prescribed crap that wasn't supposed to be taken with stuff I was already prescribed! And going to the doctor 1-2 times a week! 2 botched surgeries, 4 unnecessary and OVERPRICED procedures. If people CONTINUE to take a doctor's word as holier than God's word itself (just an expression) then we deserve what we get I suppose. Look at the number of malpractice suits natiionwide and all the cases of Docs losing their licensces for prescribing pills not needed by the patient-Anna, Hugh, Ozzie, just a few public figures but I'm sure we all know one person, even ourselves given things or misdiagnosed at least once. All I'm saying is do your research, ask questions, get a second-heck a third opinion if you need.

ali106

wow interesting debate people!!! I'm gonna post my 2 cents....so bear w/ me...

Being a mom of an autistic child and having first handed dealt w/ my child's own pediatrician, who is one of the top in his field, tell me two years ago that the vaccines were fine and booster shots were fine and the perservatives in those vaccines were fine and that I was basically being an overprotected mom because I wanted to wait to test his titlers and get persevative free vaccines and spread them out...etc....he also told me that the cdc and the american pediatric academy would never allow such thing....made me feel sooo well stupid but I stood my ground...because I felt from what I researched in the holistic world made some sense to me....and it was not worth a risk....It was a bad time for me because I felt like the medical doctors were suppose to be my go to guys and gals...what they said was it! ....

Now...to fast forward two years later....where he is now handing out flyers to parents explaining everything I was worried about and now the vaccines come perservative free (you have to ask to make sure!) and also he totally was on board w/ the illimanating of the booster shot...which can overload a young body....four shots or more in one shot....sigh....but all that has changed for the good! I'm just glad I stood my ground... And I still feel like the medical field is amazing....just second opinions or researching and questioning on your own are great tools too!

but okay I digress...this may or may not make sense, or you may or may not agree with it....but have an open mind about it all people....both sides are very valid....I'm learning more and more the hard way and I have to stress....if you feel like you've researched an area, like cleanses, its fine w/ your doctor and its helping you...then great! what works for one may not work for all....but that doesn't make it wrong!

don't get me wrong I think all our kids should be vaccined....getting back to my rant lol...just the vaccines need to be green and monitored more....wow this is making me emotional....sigh!
sorry guys...ugh....
hugs!!!!!!!!
Ali

Phatmomma

Ali this is so close to my heart and why I have embraced holistic more closely again! This and my own battles.
I do know some are a must like polio. Since that is on the rise again. But when I had my first daughter I did my research just like you. There was a vaccine I REFUSED. I told them absolutely not since it was new and unlike Polio it ha dnot been around long enough nor were the trials long enough for my liking.
Well guess what? The nurse came in and jabbed her and I was like why did you have 2 viles? She was like oh well it won't hurt her! I should have sued I was so pissed. They totally disregarded my CHOICE. Well guess what/ less than a month later I get a call and letter-the vaccine was RECALLED nationwide!!!!!!
Back in 1999. RECALLED it was killing babies. They couldn't say anything except sorry and keep an eye for symptoms. Thank God my baby only had one dose and didn't DIE. but many babies did!!!!!
As for autism and vaccine-it's obvious. It used to be you barely knew anyone who knew anyone with autism. Now EVERYONE knows a CHILD with it it seems. I have seen children born perfectly average developed fine and then once they are at the age for certain vaccines they started to have problems. Now I have several friends with multiple autistic children!!!!!! And never diagnosed until AFTER they are preschool age!!!!!!
I too felt stupid and bullied my my peditrician. After that I changed doctors. I hate having to be vindicated for questioning the doctor by the deaths of innocent babies though. Plus I have caight MDs using Google, in fact they gave my mom ppw they GOOGLED or got off web MD lol.
Can you believe that?
I'm just saying-keep your minds open and do research before you put anything into your body, cut anything off, or take anything PERIOD holistic or none natural. All or most of post in fact say ask your doctor. I respect both views and practices and know that modenr medicine has it's roots in natural medicine. Most cures come from NATURAL sources or the HUMAN BODY itself.

wow interesting debate people!!! I'm gonna post my 2 cents....so bear w/ me...

Being a mom of an autistic child and having first handed dealt w/ my child's own pediatrician, who is one of the top in his field, tell me two years ago that the vaccines were fine and booster shots were fine and the perservatives in those vaccines were fine and that I was basically being an overprotected mom because I wanted to wait to test his titlers and get persevative free vaccines and spread them out...etc....he also told me that the cdc and the american pediatric academy would never allow such thing....made me feel sooo well stupid but I stood my ground...because I felt from what I researched in the holistic world made some sense to me....and it was not worth a risk....It was a bad time for me because I felt like the medical doctors were suppose to be my go to guys and gals...what they said was it! ....

Now...to fast forward two years later....where he is now handing out flyers to parents explaining everything I was worried about and now the vaccines come perservative free (you have to ask to make sure!) and also he totally was on board w/ the illimanating of the booster shot...which can overload a young body....four shots or more in one shot....sigh....but all that has changed for the good! I'm just glad I stood my ground... And I still feel like the medical field is amazing....just second opinions or researching and questioning on your own are great tools too!

but okay I digress...this may or may not make sense, or you may or may not agree with it....but have an open mind about it all people....both sides are very valid....I'm learning more and more the hard way and I have to stress....if you feel like you've researched an area, like cleanses, its fine w/ your doctor and its helping you...then great! what works for one may not work for all....but that doesn't make it wrong!

don't get me wrong I think all our kids should be vaccined....getting back to my rant lol...just the vaccines need to be green and monitored more....wow this is making me emotional....sigh!
sorry guys...ugh....
hugs!!!!!!!!
Ali

Phatmomma

don't get me wrong I think all our kids should be vaccined....getting back to my rant lol...just the vaccines need to be green and monitored more....wow this is making me emotional....sigh!
sorry guys...ugh....
hugs!!!!!!!!
Ali

Also Ali I wanted to say hang in there. I truly believe they will find the reaction that causes "autism" to occur after vaccination. That is once they admit there is a connection which is OBVIOUS to us parents who know nothing. My friend T. has girl boy both of who now have been diagnosed. When her little girl was 1-3 she was fine. She competed in the same hobby as my kids did at the time and she was bright and talented and developing fine. She was social and cuddly and playful. Once she got ready for school, all of a sudden her speech came to a halt, she became anitsocial, and repetitive in her actions. But again it's all in our heads, hmmm. My other friend T.A. has 5 children and now all but one has been diagnosed with autism. But none diagnosed before preschool age. 4 autistic children in the same family? Same parents?
I teared up from your post because this is why I am so adamant on certain topics. We trust and don't think for ourselves or our kids like we should. We get bullied and intimidated by experts who have to use Google lol. I applud you for standing up for your son and indirectly for my children. You gave me the strength to QUESTION authority and to get a second opinion and not feel bullied especially when it comes to my children. I just wanted you to know that.
Your son is BEAIUTFUL and I know one day the key will be found to the mystery of autism and the world of thousands of little miracles will be unlocked. And seeing documentaries and new approaches to treatment such as the mom who is sought worlwide ( I can't remember her name) she got sick of western medicine and saying there was no hope for her autistic son and she came up with her own treatment and IT WORKED. NATURAL. She teaches her methods to people worldwide and to DOCTORS and therapist. A MOM who had the courage to disagree and to see the emperor (a metaphor for Western Medicine) had no clothes. If you can remember her name please email it to me FYI.

Morningflower

Tried the Master Cleanse and after 4 days I was literally craving anything that can move, crawl, fly..(you get the picture).

Did I lose some weight - yes (about 6 pounds) BUT I sat down on day 5 and had a major pigging session! so the 6 pounds came back in a day - I just could not stop eating! I did not feel good while doing the master cleanse - again - that is not say that it doesn't work; it just did not do anything for me.. I was a mean, vindictive, hungry B***H! ---

Tell you what! - I have a pool party to go to in 4 weeks - I challenge you to work out with me? I started on Saturday and I am not looking back! Are you in? if not.. I wish you all the best! I really do!

Cheers!