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Ladies, what drives you wild about ISLAND flirting in 2013?

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  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    I enjoyed the pictures with the post (funny) and here are my 2 cents about guys/gals flirting. If you're looking for a pick up or someone to tell you that you look good then you probably need to lose more than just weight. There's an emotional factor that comes from being overweight (In my opinion) and a big part of it is not being confident in oneself. (Is "oneself" a word?). If it bothers another a person that a guy or girl is over the top with their flirtations to other people then the issue belongs to you...not them. The person on the receiving end who does not want to be flirted with then needs to use their voice and set their boundaries of what is and isn't OK. If the person respects you then they will stop...if you respect yourself then you will block them.

    I am confident in myself. I love my legs and I think my skirt length is fine. I do block the pervs.
  • farmgirlrrt
    farmgirlrrt Posts: 168 Member
    I LOVE the block button :-)
  • djeffreys10
    djeffreys10 Posts: 2,312 Member
    My favorite thing about Island flirting is when the guy tells you that you have amazing legs and proceeds to tell you you should wear shorter skirts and send him pics.

    That is funny, because you have amazing legs. You should wear shorter skirts and send me pics.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    My favorite thing about Island flirting is when the guy tells you that you have amazing legs and proceeds to tell you you should wear shorter skirts and send him pics.

    That is funny, because you have amazing legs. You should wear shorter skirts and send me pics.

    Thank you kind sir. I appreciate your openness and honesty as well as just throwing it out there instead of creepily in PM's. I commend you for your exemplary behavior! :flowerforyou:
  • somerisagirlsname
    somerisagirlsname Posts: 467 Member
    I don't understand the question.
  • The_Enginerd
    The_Enginerd Posts: 3,982 Member
    10/10, WB. Wait, wrong thread...

    How tall are you?

    I am gonna assume you are talking about me. 5'-2". I can leg press 420 and deadlift 145
    Oh, no squats... nevermind...
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    10/10, WB. Wait, wrong thread...

    How tall are you?

    I am gonna assume you are talking about me. 5'-2". I can leg press 420 and deadlift 145
    Oh, no squats... nevermind...

    Squats are embarrassing because I don't have a squat rack so I am basically stuck with whatever I can OHP...which is sad. Started adding hip thrusts yesterday though.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    I don't understand the question.

    It's ok, you will eventually.
  • heylookitsval
    heylookitsval Posts: 1,141 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.

    Don't be sad, you will...someday.
  • salladeve
    salladeve Posts: 1,053 Member
    I enjoy flirting very much, but on the island I visit I can never be sure that I'm really flirting with who I think I am :grumble:
  • FatHuMan1
    FatHuMan1 Posts: 1,028 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.


    You can flirt on my island any day :wink: I'll bring the suntan lotion.


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  • heylookitsval
    heylookitsval Posts: 1,141 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.


    You can flirt on my island any day :wink: I'll bring the suntan lotion.


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    I'll bring the lawn chairs, let's make this a party! :drinker:
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.


    You can flirt on my island any day :wink: I'll bring the suntan lotion.


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    I'll bring the lawn chairs, let's make this a party! :drinker:

    I'll bring my legs! Islanders generally like them!
  • DeltaZero
    DeltaZero Posts: 1,197 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.


    You can flirt on my island any day :wink: I'll bring the suntan lotion.


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    I'll bring the lawn chairs, let's make this a party! :drinker:

    I'll bring my legs! Islanders generally like them!

    I'll send you a PM telling you what to do with your legs!
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.


    You can flirt on my island any day :wink: I'll bring the suntan lotion.


    43452f3c-6f72-484b-af3f-619cc165b92f_zps4dd87234.jpg

    I'll bring the lawn chairs, let's make this a party! :drinker:

    I'll bring my legs! Islanders generally like them!

    I'll send you a PM telling you what to do with your legs!

    Are you going to be forceful with your language? I am a very independent professional woman who doesn't like to be told what to do.
  • FatHuMan1
    FatHuMan1 Posts: 1,028 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.


    You can flirt on my island any day :wink: I'll bring the suntan lotion.


    43452f3c-6f72-484b-af3f-619cc165b92f_zps4dd87234.jpg

    I'll bring the lawn chairs, let's make this a party! :drinker:

    I'll bring my legs! Islanders generally like them!

    I'll send you a PM telling you what to do with your legs!

    This street island's getting crowded. I think we're going to need a Rhode island.


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  • DeltaZero
    DeltaZero Posts: 1,197 Member
    I can't afford to flirt on an island.


    I have to flirt on the mainland with all the other poor people.


    You can flirt on my island any day :wink: I'll bring the suntan lotion.


    43452f3c-6f72-484b-af3f-619cc165b92f_zps4dd87234.jpg

    I'll bring the lawn chairs, let's make this a party! :drinker:

    I'll bring my legs! Islanders generally like them!

    I'll send you a PM telling you what to do with your legs!

    This street island's getting crowded. I think we're going to need a Rhode island.


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    I would like to ride, your island.
  • arghbowl
    arghbowl Posts: 1,179 Member


    Are you going to be forceful with your language? I am a very independent professional woman who doesn't like to be told what to do.

    Lies. You love it. GET BACK IN THE BASEMENT.
  • heylookitsval
    heylookitsval Posts: 1,141 Member
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  • The_Enginerd
    The_Enginerd Posts: 3,982 Member
    10/10, WB. Wait, wrong thread...

    How tall are you?

    I am gonna assume you are talking about me. 5'-2". I can leg press 420 and deadlift 145
    Oh, no squats... nevermind...

    Squats are embarrassing because I don't have a squat rack so I am basically stuck with whatever I can OHP...which is sad. Started adding hip thrusts yesterday though.
    How much can you hip thrust for reps. I need to know for reasons.
  • silver_arrow3
    silver_arrow3 Posts: 1,373 Member
    I enjoy flirting very much, but on the island I visit I can never be sure that I'm really flirting with who I think I am :grumble:

    Isn't that part of the fun? It's a gamble. Maybe you're talking to some sassy 20-something with a nice rack or maybe it's a horny 60-something who likes punking young dudes.

    (I usually secretly hope it's the second)

    (Though I'm not generally chatting up nice racks on purpose)
  • heylookitsval
    heylookitsval Posts: 1,141 Member
    Is a hip thrust workout as sexy as I made it in my head?
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    10/10, WB. Wait, wrong thread...

    How tall are you?

    I am gonna assume you are talking about me. 5'-2". I can leg press 420 and deadlift 145
    Oh, no squats... nevermind...

    Squats are embarrassing because I don't have a squat rack so I am basically stuck with whatever I can OHP...which is sad. Started adding hip thrusts yesterday though.
    How much can you hip thrust for reps. I need to know for reasons.

    Well, I started at 95 pounds yesterday which was my first time.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member


    Are you going to be forceful with your language? I am a very independent professional woman who doesn't like to be told what to do.

    Lies. You love it. GET BACK IN THE BASEMENT.

    Heh.
  • arghbowl
    arghbowl Posts: 1,179 Member
    10/10, WB. Wait, wrong thread...

    How tall are you?

    I am gonna assume you are talking about me. 5'-2". I can leg press 420 and deadlift 145
    Oh, no squats... nevermind...

    Squats are embarrassing because I don't have a squat rack so I am basically stuck with whatever I can OHP...which is sad. Started adding hip thrusts yesterday though.
    How much can you hip thrust for reps. I need to know for reasons.

    Well, I started at 95 pounds yesterday which was my first time.

    Do you thrust with your pinkies out? I need to know. For science n shizzz.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    Do you thrust with your pinkies out? I need to know. For science n shizzz.

    Out
  • LishLash79
    LishLash79 Posts: 562 Member
    I like flirting on the Island when im bored.. its entertaining ;) but then sometimes you do it and meet some kick *kitten* people.. you just weed out the weird Islanders who like to be your friend and show you there weiners... I love hot dogs, but don't always love eating them with islanders ;)
  • TheSlorax
    TheSlorax Posts: 2,401 Member
    Is a hip thrust workout as sexy as I made it in my head?

    YES
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    Is a hip thrust workout as sexy as I made it in my head?

    YES

    uh huh. bruises on the hips and everything.
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