80:10:10 and the crazy pregnant lady doing it
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Unfortunately being crazy does not preclude you from getting pregnant. She may have been crazy before her pregnancy and that's where I'll stop talking because this site does not allow political topics.0
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I personally don't think she's hurting herself or her baby. I say get out of people's lives and let them live it their way. If your NOT paying her to live then back off telling her how to do it. This goes for any and every one. It's def. not your business or mine. I don't understand the need to belittle people for the way they live their life, oh and the baby, it's still her business not the world's0
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I personally don't think she's hurting herself or her baby. I say get out of people's lives and let them live it their way. If your NOT paying her to live then back off telling her how to do it. This goes for any and every one. It's def. not your business or mine. I don't understand the need to belittle people for the way they live their life, oh and the baby, it's still her business not the world's
Thats true.0 -
Irresponsible considering there's another life in the balance.
WTH? No there isn't.
Life doesn't begin until after birth.
Did you REALLY just say that? Let's come out from under our rock, shall we?0 -
If people are genuinely interested about a high carb raw vegan diet, they should research it, before criticising it. As aforementioned, there are a number of extensive scientific studies on the topic, such as in the books The China Study or 80/10/10, among many others. How can one intelligently argue about something which they do not yet know?0
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Considering that protein and fats are the macronutrients that are REQUIRED (gluconeogenesis can occur when low on carbs) it seems like a pretty stupid idea to me.
Defining a diet as healthy or unhealthy is actually quite difficult. But in this case, she has taken one food that is typically classed as healthy and is now eating an unhealthy diet. Reason being, she is not getting the required macronutrients or a variety of micronutrients.
Basically, she is quite irresponsible for eating this way while pregnant.0 -
My only concern is how is she going to meet the increase production of albumin when her blood volume increases? Don't know if anyone has ever read the Brewer's Diet, but that was one of his hypothesis that a low protein diet could possibly increase the chances of eclampsia.
I've read about that as well, i.e the possible link between lack of protein and pre-eclampsia. I've also seen research papers suggesting that pre-eclampsia happens in response to the baby getting insufficient nutrition in the uterus, which could be due to poor maternal diet, but also could be due to placental insufficiency (which has nothing to do with the mother's diet)0 -
I take my own issues with the 80/10/10 approach, particularly with some of the fanatics who push it, but I find it very interesting that this woman is being so vehemently attacked, yet scores of pregnant women are downing every single piece of cheap, low quality, nutritionally lite piece of processed food they can get their hands on, gaining way more weight than they need, and yet almost nobody ever calls them out.
The United States of Obesity indeed.
there's no-one on this thread who thinks it's okay for a pregnant woman to eat any kind of nutritionally insufficient diet. This thread is about this woman and the 80:10:10 diet. There are hundreds of other nutritionally imbalanced diets that people may or may not eat during pregnacy, but this thread isn't about them. LOL @ almost nobody calls them out... utter rubbish. I've seen far more articles in the media about pregnant women who eat inadequate diets of fast food which are insufficient in micronutrients, especially ones like folic acid that are needed in early pregnancy, and this is the first one I've seen about the 80:10:10 diet0 -
Irresponsible considering there's another life in the balance.
WTH? No there isn't.
Life doesn't begin until after birth.
If she's made the choice to keep the baby then she should be feeding him or her responsibly from the get go.0 -
I saw this the other day, I think it's crazy tbh! Why would anybody do that to themselves, never mind their unborn child?!0
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We're talking about someone whose base diet includes twenty bananas not two. Has anyone here actually run the numbers for twenty bananas? I do most of my food by grams, but for simplicity's sake let's just say this woman is eating twenty 7-8 inch bananas. That right there is 2100 calories, 26 grams of protein and 8 grams of fat. And that's not even all she's eating. It wouldn't be my choice. The thought of eating twenty bananas a day every day kind of makes me want to stab myself in the eye with a knitting needle. But it's entirely possible that if she is supplementing with microalgae DHA like a lot of women do during pregnancy and rounding out her diet with other foods (especially nutrient-dense cooked foods) she's probably not doing anywhere near as badly as people who aren't as familiar with 80:10:10 believe.0
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I read an interesting news article this morning about an Australian woman who is following a diet consisting of 80% carbohydrate, 10% protein and 10% fat... and she is pregnant.
She eats pretty much just fruit, which includes 20 bananas a day. Aside from the fact that I personally think this is a crazy diet for any normal person to follow I can't believe she is doing this while she is pregnant. Babies need protein, and wouldn't she be at risk of gestational diabetes?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/13/loni-jane-anthony-10-bananas_n_4266902.html
What do you think?
80/10/10 isn't anything new. T. Collin Campbell's (scientist behind The China Study) latest book, Whole, is about this way of eating. It's not for me personally, but to each their own.
The China Study Data goes against what Campbell is saying. he literally pick and chose the countries that have higher GI cancer but people with higher overall cancer were plant eaters.
That is too low protein and low fat for the baby. She is going raw so she isnt consuming b12.
hopefully her baby doesnt have some type of neuro problem0 -
If people are genuinely interested about a high carb raw vegan diet, they should research it, before criticising it. As aforementioned, there are a number of extensive scientific studies on the topic, such as in the books The China Study or 80/10/10, among many others. How can one intelligently argue about something which they do not yet know?
Reading books non peer reviewed work is not researching. The china study data goes against his claims. It is actually a book about his opinion.
So you clearly know nothing about the information of the book that you are posting. You are no better than anyone else spitting out garbage.
His study was complete horse **** and omnivoric people were healthier than plant eaters0 -
Irresponsible considering there's another life in the balance.
WTH? No there isn't.
Life doesn't begin until after birth.
ETA: Have you ever seen an ultrasound by chance? The baby's heart forms around 5 weeks.. I consider that life. (Actually, I believe life begins at conception.. buuuuuut for the sake of argument..) the baby just doesn't magically become "alive" when it is born. It kicks and moves the whole pregnancy. movement = life. heart beat = life. pregnancy = another life DEPENDS on you for survival.
Right. I'm confused by the logic that life doesn't happen until birth. Is a fetus dead until it's delivered? If so, miracles happen every day, and doctors are like Jesus, raising dead babies to the land of the living!!! :laugh:0 -
Yeah I read that article.
I couldn't do it but to each their own.0 -
I take my own issues with the 80/10/10 approach, particularly with some of the fanatics who push it, but I find it very interesting that this woman is being so vehemently attacked, yet scores of pregnant women are downing every single piece of cheap, low quality, nutritionally lite piece of processed food they can get their hands on, gaining way more weight than they need, and yet almost nobody ever calls them out.
The United States of Obesity indeed.
there's no-one on this thread who thinks it's okay for a pregnant woman to eat any kind of nutritionally insufficient diet. This thread is about this woman and the 80:10:10 diet. There are hundreds of other nutritionally imbalanced diets that people may or may not eat during pregnacy, but this thread isn't about them. LOL @ almost nobody calls them out... utter rubbish. I've seen far more articles in the media about pregnant women who eat inadequate diets of fast food which are insufficient in micronutrients, especially ones like folic acid that are needed in early pregnancy, and this is the first one I've seen about the 80:10:10 diet
Umm, I wasn't talking about the people in "this thread". I was talking about the enormous backlash this woman is getting from the general public.
And yes, the average person in the general public largely will see a pregnant woman downing all kinds of fast food, desserts, processed snacks, gaining far more weight than is necessary, and think that's all utterly normal.0 -
WTH? No there isn't.
Life doesn't begin until after birth.
Life does not begin until the dogs die, and the kids leave home. Trust me on this.0 -
Re primates having evolved from vegetarian animals... not sure whether the common ancestor of all primates was vegetarian or ominvorous, but probably if you go back far enough you can probably find a herbivorous ancestor... but evolution is like that, it's dynamic. Organisms don't generally just find a niche and stick to it. The environment is constantly changing and organisms are constantly adapting to it, and that often means changes in diet such that many organisms are not perfectly adapted for the environment they currently live in, including the diet that they eat. Failure to adapt = extinction. So it's not just humans and pandas that have had to adapt to different diets to evolutionary ancestors, it's all organisms all the time.
+1
Before folk enter into these sorts of discussions a bit of reading would help. Michael Pollan's series would be a great place to start: "The Botany of Desire", "The Omnivore's Dilemma", "In Defense of Food", and "Cooked" are a remarkably accessible series on the evolution of the human diet..0 -
I personally don't think she's hurting herself or her baby. I say get out of people's lives and let them live it their way. If your NOT paying her to live then back off telling her how to do it. This goes for any and every one. It's def. not your business or mine. I don't understand the need to belittle people for the way they live their life, oh and the baby, it's still her business not the world's
To be fair, she is the one who is blogging about it, she is inviting people into her life and business. When you put it out there, you open yourself up to criticism.0 -
Irresponsible considering there's another life in the balance.
WTH? No there isn't.
Life doesn't begin until after birth.
So are you saying that a six, seven or eight month old unborn fetus is running on batteries until they are born ?0 -
it wont open the link, damn work.
but does she have GD?
as long as she is still gettin all the nutrition she needs.
i think its better that she eats 10 bananas, than some US preggos who eat 10 bigmacs and 10 tacos / day
Yeah no one died from eating too many healthy foods lol
FYI, avoiding fat is not "healthy". A developing baby needs fat. Our brain is mostly fat. It's illogical to compare one unhealthy eating plan as better than another. However, I would argue that the big macs would be far healthier than just eating fruit. Only because they have fat and protein.
I think this story is disgusting. I think it's even more disgusting that there are so many people that would "support" her "choice" instead of holding her accountable for the health of the baby.0 -
I take my own issues with the 80/10/10 approach, particularly with some of the fanatics who push it, but I find it very interesting that this woman is being so vehemently attacked, yet scores of pregnant women are downing every single piece of cheap, low quality, nutritionally lite piece of processed food they can get their hands on, gaining way more weight than they need, and yet almost nobody ever calls them out.
The United States of Obesity indeed.
there's no-one on this thread who thinks it's okay for a pregnant woman to eat any kind of nutritionally insufficient diet. This thread is about this woman and the 80:10:10 diet. There are hundreds of other nutritionally imbalanced diets that people may or may not eat during pregnacy, but this thread isn't about them. LOL @ almost nobody calls them out... utter rubbish. I've seen far more articles in the media about pregnant women who eat inadequate diets of fast food which are insufficient in micronutrients, especially ones like folic acid that are needed in early pregnancy, and this is the first one I've seen about the 80:10:10 diet
Umm, I wasn't talking about the people in "this thread". I was talking about the enormous backlash this woman is getting from the general public.
And yes, the average person in the general public largely will see a pregnant woman downing all kinds of fast food, desserts, processed snacks, gaining far more weight than is necessary, and think that's all utterly normal.
I agree with your statements. Gaining too much weight and overintakign nutrition and using pregnancy to justify their action0 -
However, I would argue that the big macs would be far healthier than just eating fruit. Only because they have fat and protein.
The 80/10/10 diet allows plenty of vegetables, nuts, and higher fat foods if somebody makes an adjustment. Not all of the people who follow that system are eating just fruit all day.
And also you're incorrect. Avocado is a fruit that's high in fat. It also has a decent amount of high quality protein.
.I think this story is disgusting. I think it's even more disgusting that there are so many people that would "support" her "choice" instead of holding her accountable for the health of the baby
Have you seen this woman's body and skin? She is in far, far better health and shape than the VAST majority of people in the US. Again, why is it fine for scores of millions of fat, out of shape pregnant women to seldom get this kind of vitriol, but this woman does for being a vegan? I sure don't see a lot of people worrying about the "health" of the baby when all these pregnant women are stuffing themselves with the worse quality food imaginable.
It is right possible for a strict vegan to have a healthy pregnancy if they're educated about how to do so.0 -
Being lean does not mean you are healthy.
And also you're incorrect. Avocado is a fruit that's high in fat. It also has a decent amount of high quality protein.
Have you seen this woman's body and skin? She is in far, far better health and shape than the VAST majority of people in the US. Again, why is it fine for scores of millions of fat, out of shape pregnant women to seldom get this kind of vitriol, but this woman does for being a vegan? I sure don't see a lot of people worrying about the "health" of the baby when all these pregnant women are stuffing themselves with the worse quality food imaginable.
It is right possible for a strict vegan to have a healthy pregnancy if they're educated about how to do so.
Avocados have 2.9g of protein per 234 calories. That is not alot of protein.
strict vegans do not have access to vitamin b12 outside of supplements0 -
Just eating more carbs isn't a risk factor for gestational diabetes. Total misconception about diabetes in general is that you're more at risk for it if you just eat more carbs. The big kicker with diabetes and risk is insulin resistance combined with pancreatic damage or fatigue, which you are more at risk for if you have other factors, like higher body fat, poor nutritional status, genetic pre-disposition, viral infection, and other environmental aspects, not simply that you eat more carbs.
That being said, any diet that varies off the "normal" percentages (20% fat, 30% protein, and 50% carbs, give or take a percentage or two in any category) isn't going to be that "ideal" for anyone pregnant. The body needs EVERY source of nutrition, just in balance. Bringing down one category to practically nothing isn't really a great idea, because you need specific sources of energy for specific body functions: Fat for nerve and steroid function, carbs for energy (especially brain energy), and protein for rebuilding muscle and maintaining function. You need ALL sources of energy for every function, and more so when pregnant, since all those resources go into not only maintaining the mother's health status, but building the baby's, as well.
Not a great idea, but generally speaking, many "diets" that focus on low-fat, low-carb, or any other macronutrient being somehow "less" important aren't good ideas. Our bodies are built to use all resources, just in a balance. It's better to aim for balance over anything else.0 -
Just sharing some info ... A lot of people that follow this diet, do more like 90/5/5 carb/fat/protein ratio ... with no overt fats ... NOT PROMOTING IT BY ANY MEANS!, but there is a forum called 30 Bananas A Day and the people that run it are the "cuckoo for cocoa puffs" kind of crazy ... If you want a laugh (or maybe a cry for some of the people they give advice to) then check it out ...0
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maybe if they consumed adequate meat for neurological protective benefits they wouldnt be cuckoo for cocoa puffs.Just sharing some info ... A lot of people that follow this diet, do more like 90/5/5 carb/fat/protein ratio ... with no overt fats ... NOT PROMOTING IT BY ANY MEANS!, but there is a forum called 30 Bananas A Day and the people that run it are "cuckoo for cocoa puffs" kind of crazy ... If you want a laugh (or maybe a cry for some of the people they give advice to) then check it out ...
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I think I may go buy some cocoa puffs...
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maybe if they consumed adequate meat for neurological protective benefits they wouldnt be cuckoo for cocoa puffs.Just sharing some info ... A lot of people that follow this diet, do more like 90/5/5 carb/fat/protein ratio ... with no overt fats ... NOT PROMOTING IT BY ANY MEANS!, but there is a forum called 30 Bananas A Day and the people that run it are "cuckoo for cocoa puffs" kind of crazy ... If you want a laugh (or maybe a cry for some of the people they give advice to) then check it out ...
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I think I may go buy some cocoa puffs...
I hate you
Um, I in no way said anything disparaging about vegans ... and I didn't say you needed to eat meat to be healthy ... Done the correct way, a vegan diet can be healthy ... I was only saying something disparaging about a certain subgroup of the vegan community that promotes binge eating on fruit and advocates eating a (bare) minimum 2500+ kcals a day of fruit (in order to lose weight), and who preach asinine ideas like "Fat makes you fat" ...0 -
Irresponsible considering there's another life in the balance.
^^^ this
she won't be getting enough fat or protein on that diet. An unborn baby needs a lot of fat, especially omega 3s for optimal brain development, and also a lot of protein for their development generally. I couldn't really give a monkeys (pardon the pun) regarding anyone, pregnant or not, eating 10 bananas for breakfast because they're a good source of carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals, it's the lack of fat and protein that's the issue.
There's a reason why humans eat more meat than most other primate species, and a lot of it has to do with the large size of our brains. at the very, very least, she should add oily fish or similar to her diet, so she gets protein and omega 3s. If she wants to eat all that fruit, why not, but add in some salmon or mackerel or something...
Both the CDC and WHO state that a pregnant woman only needs 6% of her calories from protein. All the hype about protein drives me crazy. Seriously, how many people have you ever actually met with a protein deficiency? It's so rare. And it's usually not this type of diet that causes it.
I'd be more worried about constipation from 10 bananas at a single sitting than her lack of protein. But then again, I don't really care if she gets constipated, either *shrug*
PS mackerel is NOT recommended during pregnancy because it's high in mercury. I hope you don't talk to pregnant women often...0 -
Irresponsible considering there's another life in the balance.
^^^ this
she won't be getting enough fat or protein on that diet. An unborn baby needs a lot of fat, especially omega 3s for optimal brain development, and also a lot of protein for their development generally. I couldn't really give a monkeys (pardon the pun) regarding anyone, pregnant or not, eating 10 bananas for breakfast because they're a good source of carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals, it's the lack of fat and protein that's the issue.
There's a reason why humans eat more meat than most other primate species, and a lot of it has to do with the large size of our brains. at the very, very least, she should add oily fish or similar to her diet, so she gets protein and omega 3s. If she wants to eat all that fruit, why not, but add in some salmon or mackerel or something...
Both the CDC and WHO state that a pregnant woman only needs 6% of her calories from protein. All the hype about protein drives me crazy. Seriously, how many people have you ever actually met with a protein deficiency? It's so rare. And it's usually not this type of diet that causes it.
I'd be more worried about constipation from 10 bananas at a single sitting than her lack of protein. But then again, I don't really care if she gets constipated, either *shrug*
PS mackerel is NOT recommended during pregnancy because it's high in mercury. I hope you don't talk to pregnant women often...
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/984496-overviewMarasmus is one of the 3 forms of serious protein-energy malnutrition (PEM).
Marasmus is a serious worldwide problem that involves more than 50 million children younger than 5 years. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), 49% of the 10.4 million deaths occurring in children younger than 5 years in developing countries are associated with PEM.
Looks like I don't need to meet anyone with a protein deficiency to know it exists, and is a problem.
Also, where does WHO recommend 6% of calories for pregnant women? I can't find that statistic anywhere.0
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