Article: Clean Eating vs IIFYM (If it Fits your Macros)
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You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..0 -
Great article, thanks for sharing! I have found myself migrating over to a more IIFYM way of eating after completing the Whole30. Didn't really realize that's what I was doing, but yup...it's happening.0
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You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry0 -
I didn't read it all, but I disagree with this early statementWhat I mean is, the main reason a person chooses to use this stricter “clean” style of eating is because they think that, with all else being equal, there is something superior about it in terms of its effects on body composition (fat loss, muscle growth, preventing fat gain, preventing muscle loss, etc.).
I would guess that far more people who eat clean do it for health, rather than body composition. Some, no doubt, see it as a way to simply eat more volume while losing fat, but I would guess that's just a nice perk for most and not the driving force.
I would recommend then you read it all before doing your typical knee jerk response without all the information
Actually, I just did. I still disagree with the statement.
Color me surprised.
Even in your rebuttal, you're saying they likely do it for health. If that's the reason I suspect they still think there are superior health benefits to eating clean versus following IIFYM. So, superiority is still a factor.
This is in contrast to IIFYMers who follow that "philosophy" simply because they want to continue eating things they love.
This is a generalization for both approaches, of course. But I can't account for the opinion of every single person.
I'm not really sure what your point is in regards to my post, but if you want to think one group thinks they are superior, then that is certainly your prerogative. It has nothing at all to do with my post anyway.
:huh:
It is certainly relevant to your post. You said you didn't like/disagreed with the premise of clean eaters choosing that lifestyle for superiority reasons, and then claimed they likely did it for health benefits. I then went on to say that your rebuttal still hints that they are doing it for superiority reasons, therefore your statement is actually very similar to the one you claim to disagree with.0 -
You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
Like today my breakfast, snack, probably lunch and dinner are not full of fats and fruits
Eggs, lean chicken, cheese, pear, greek yogurt, salmon wild caught, mushrooms, shrimp, milk and last but not least carrots, green and yellow beans steamed, will probably put me right at the cusp of my limit to lose weight, maintain...no but I wont lose if I don't carefully watch what calories I consume.
And that is without eating lunch as I haven't gotten hungry enough yet to think about it but will have to snack again at 3pm right before my workout.0 -
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Read this yesterday and really enjoyed it...I eat clean so I don't have to count calories. Sure it takes more time to prepare everything from scratch, but not having to log makes up for the difference IMO.
My guess is that you didn't read the article since this misconception is stated pretty early on...
it doesn't apply to me. I stay away from calorie dense foods such as oil. I mentioned this earlier.
If you avoid foods that have a high amount of fat, are you sure you are getting enough fat in your diet?
Fat is very important, I suggest you get in the realm of 0.35-0.45 grams per lb of body weight. So if you weigh 150 you should get a minimum of 53 grams of fat.0 -
You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
Like today my breakfast, snack, probably lunch and dinner are not full of fats and fruits
Eggs, lean chicken, cheese, pear, greek yogurt, salmon wild caught, mushrooms, shrimp, milk and last but not least carrots, green and yellow beans steamed, will probably put me right at the cusp of my limit to lose weight, maintain...no but I wont lose if I don't carefully watch what calories I consume.
And that is without eating lunch as I haven't gotten hungry enough yet to think about it but will have to snack again at 3pm right before my workout.
Your body expends more energy to digest all of that protein so your net calorie intake is much lower than your actual0 -
I didn't read it all, but I disagree with this early statementWhat I mean is, the main reason a person chooses to use this stricter “clean” style of eating is because they think that, with all else being equal, there is something superior about it in terms of its effects on body composition (fat loss, muscle growth, preventing fat gain, preventing muscle loss, etc.).
I would guess that far more people who eat clean do it for health, rather than body composition. Some, no doubt, see it as a way to simply eat more volume while losing fat, but I would guess that's just a nice perk for most and not the driving force.
I would recommend then you read it all before doing your typical knee jerk response without all the information
Actually, I just did. I still disagree with the statement.
Color me surprised.
Even in your rebuttal, you're saying they likely do it for health. If that's the reason I suspect they still think there are superior health benefits to eating clean versus following IIFYM. So, superiority is still a factor.
This is in contrast to IIFYMers who follow that "philosophy" simply because they want to continue eating things they love.
This is a generalization for both approaches, of course. But I can't account for the opinion of every single person.
I'm not really sure what your point is in regards to my post, but if you want to think one group thinks they are superior, then that is certainly your prerogative. It has nothing at all to do with my post anyway.
:huh:
It is certainly relevant to your post. You said you didn't like/disagreed with the premise of clean eaters choosing that lifestyle for superiority reasons, and then claimed they likely did it for health benefits. I then went on to say that your rebuttal still hints that they are doing it for superiority reasons, therefore your statement is actually very similar to the one you claim to disagree with.
Oh my goodness. The statement I disagreed with and my response had absolutely nothing to do with feeling superior to others.0 -
Read this yesterday and really enjoyed it...I eat clean so I don't have to count calories. Sure it takes more time to prepare everything from scratch, but not having to log makes up for the difference IMO.
My guess is that you didn't read the article since this misconception is stated pretty early on...
it doesn't apply to me. I stay away from calorie dense foods such as oil. I mentioned this earlier.
If you avoid foods that have a high amount of fat, are you sure you are getting enough fat in your diet?
Fat is very important, I suggest you get in the realm of 0.35-0.45 grams per lb of body weight. So if you weigh 150 you should get a minimum of 53 grams of fat.
I get enough. I average about 20g a day.*
*per meal.
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I didn't read it all, but I disagree with this early statementWhat I mean is, the main reason a person chooses to use this stricter “clean” style of eating is because they think that, with all else being equal, there is something superior about it in terms of its effects on body composition (fat loss, muscle growth, preventing fat gain, preventing muscle loss, etc.).
I would guess that far more people who eat clean do it for health, rather than body composition. Some, no doubt, see it as a way to simply eat more volume while losing fat, but I would guess that's just a nice perk for most and not the driving force.
I would recommend then you read it all before doing your typical knee jerk response without all the information
Actually, I just did. I still disagree with the statement.
Color me surprised.
Even in your rebuttal, you're saying they likely do it for health. If that's the reason I suspect they still think there are superior health benefits to eating clean versus following IIFYM. So, superiority is still a factor.
This is in contrast to IIFYMers who follow that "philosophy" simply because they want to continue eating things they love.
This is a generalization for both approaches, of course. But I can't account for the opinion of every single person.
I'm not really sure what your point is in regards to my post, but if you want to think one group thinks they are superior, then that is certainly your prerogative. It has nothing at all to do with my post anyway.
:huh:
It is certainly relevant to your post. You said you didn't like/disagreed with the premise of clean eaters choosing that lifestyle for superiority reasons, and then claimed they likely did it for health benefits. I then went on to say that your rebuttal still hints that they are doing it for superiority reasons, therefore your statement is actually very similar to the one you claim to disagree with.
Oh my goodness. The statement I disagreed with and my response had absolutely nothing to do with feeling superior to others.
What you quoted:What I mean is, the main reason a person chooses to use this stricter “clean” style of eating is because they think that, with all else being equal, there is something superior about it in terms of its effects on body composition (fat loss, muscle growth, preventing fat gain, preventing muscle loss, etc.).0 -
You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
Like today my breakfast, snack, probably lunch and dinner are not full of fats and fruits
Eggs, lean chicken, cheese, pear, greek yogurt, salmon wild caught, mushrooms, shrimp, milk and last but not least carrots, green and yellow beans steamed, will probably put me right at the cusp of my limit to lose weight, maintain...no but I wont lose if I don't carefully watch what calories I consume.
And that is without eating lunch as I haven't gotten hungry enough yet to think about it but will have to snack again at 3pm right before my workout.
Your body expends more energy to digest all of that protein so your net calorie intake is much lower than your actual
Okay but if I eat over 2000 calories a day (and i could easily eating like that) I will gain weight...I don't want to gain weight I want to lose weight, and I know this because I have only changed one thing to lose weight....I count calories(because that is how I ate anyway) and make sure I am below my TDEE by 10-20% hence the fact that the statement
"you don't have to count calories eating clean" is false and misleading.0 -
You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
Like today my breakfast, snack, probably lunch and dinner are not full of fats and fruits
Eggs, lean chicken, cheese, pear, greek yogurt, salmon wild caught, mushrooms, shrimp, milk and last but not least carrots, green and yellow beans steamed, will probably put me right at the cusp of my limit to lose weight, maintain...no but I wont lose if I don't carefully watch what calories I consume.
And that is without eating lunch as I haven't gotten hungry enough yet to think about it but will have to snack again at 3pm right before my workout.
Your body expends more energy to digest all of that protein so your net calorie intake is much lower than your actual
Okay but if I eat over 2000 calories a day (and i could easily eating like that) I will gain weight...I don't want to gain weight I want to lose weight, and I know this because I have only changed one thing to lose weight....I count calories(because that is how I ate anyway) and make sure I am below my TDEE by 10-20% hence the fact that the statement
"you don't have to count calories eating clean" is false and misleading.
Attacking users is against the rules here, please apologize0 -
I didn't read it all, but I disagree with this early statementWhat I mean is, the main reason a person chooses to use this stricter “clean” style of eating is because they think that, with all else being equal, there is something superior about it in terms of its effects on body composition (fat loss, muscle growth, preventing fat gain, preventing muscle loss, etc.).
I would guess that far more people who eat clean do it for health, rather than body composition. Some, no doubt, see it as a way to simply eat more volume while losing fat, but I would guess that's just a nice perk for most and not the driving force.
I would recommend then you read it all before doing your typical knee jerk response without all the information
Actually, I just did. I still disagree with the statement.
Color me surprised.
Even in your rebuttal, you're saying they likely do it for health. If that's the reason I suspect they still think there are superior health benefits to eating clean versus following IIFYM. So, superiority is still a factor.
This is in contrast to IIFYMers who follow that "philosophy" simply because they want to continue eating things they love.
This is a generalization for both approaches, of course. But I can't account for the opinion of every single person.
I'm not really sure what your point is in regards to my post, but if you want to think one group thinks they are superior, then that is certainly your prerogative. It has nothing at all to do with my post anyway.
:huh:
It is certainly relevant to your post. You said you didn't like/disagreed with the premise of clean eaters choosing that lifestyle for superiority reasons, and then claimed they likely did it for health benefits. I then went on to say that your rebuttal still hints that they are doing it for superiority reasons, therefore your statement is actually very similar to the one you claim to disagree with.
Oh my goodness. The statement I disagreed with and my response had absolutely nothing to do with feeling superior to others.
What you quoted:What I mean is, the main reason a person chooses to use this stricter “clean” style of eating is because they think that, with all else being equal, there is something superior about it in terms of its effects on body composition (fat loss, muscle growth, preventing fat gain, preventing muscle loss, etc.).
You are freaking me out a little. Feeling something is a superior method of doing something is not the same as feeling superior to other people. I believe that an air compressor is a superior way to inflate my Jeep tires over a bicycle pump. That does not mean I feel superior to anyone. Understand?0 -
Just read the article: LOVED IT!
I think that you need to just think about it, maybe try both ways(or whatever other ways you want to try) and find what best suits you and is sustainable. No matter what method you chose, if it works, then that's what is important. I myself, can't do "clean". I eat a lot of healthy foods, BUT I also love eating my processed garbage, chocolate, and ice cream too, and would be a very sad panda if I had to give that up. IIFYM works better for me personally, but I have no grudge against people who decide they need to/like to eat clean, regardless as to what that definition is for them.0 -
You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
LOL my lunch today: oats, protein powder, greek yogurt, chai seeds, banana, almond milk = 526 calories. lol.
I'm already at 1400 calories planned for the day and I still have to add a protein into my dinner and decide what dessert i'll be having.. oh if i add a serving of PB to my post workout snack i'll be at 1600 already.. all clean..0 -
You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
LOL my lunch today: oats, protein powder, greek yogurt, chai seeds, banana, almond milk = 526 calories. lol.
I'm already at 1400 calories planned for the day and I still have to add a protein into my dinner and decide what dessert i'll be having.. oh if i add a serving of PB to my post workout snack i'll be at 1600 already.. all clean..
Peanut butter is clean?
But it's brown--obviously there's dirt in it.0 -
You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
LOL my lunch today: oats, protein powder, greek yogurt, chai seeds, banana, almond milk = 526 calories. lol.
I'm already at 1400 calories planned for the day and I still have to add a protein into my dinner and decide what dessert i'll be having.. oh if i add a serving of PB to my post workout snack i'll be at 1600 already.. all clean..
Only two things on that list are clean. Oats are grains, protein powder is processed, greek yogurt is dairy and we arent designed for cow milk, and almond milk is for baby almonds.0 -
protein powder isn't clean. peanut only peanut butter.. and I don't agree with your assessment of dairy products. Grains are not clean???You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
LOL my lunch today: oats, protein powder, greek yogurt, chai seeds, banana, almond milk = 526 calories. lol.
I'm already at 1400 calories planned for the day and I still have to add a protein into my dinner and decide what dessert i'll be having.. oh if i add a serving of PB to my post workout snack i'll be at 1600 already.. all clean..
Only two things on that list are clean. Oats are grains, protein powder is processed, greek yogurt is dairy and we arent designed for cow milk, and almond milk is for baby almonds.
anyway.. eggs and (homemade) salsa for breakfast... sugar snap peas, yogurt and cranberries for snack, dinner is a huge chef salad.0 -
Read this yesterday and really enjoyed it...I eat clean so I don't have to count calories. Sure it takes more time to prepare everything from scratch, but not having to log makes up for the difference IMO.
My guess is that you didn't read the article since this misconception is stated pretty early on...
it doesn't apply to me. I stay away from calorie dense foods such as oil. I mentioned this earlier.
If you avoid foods that have a high amount of fat, are you sure you are getting enough fat in your diet?
Fat is very important, I suggest you get in the realm of 0.35-0.45 grams per lb of body weight. So if you weigh 150 you should get a minimum of 53 grams of fat.
I get enough. I average about 20g a day.*
*per meal.
I'd like to see that with 2% Greek yogurt and Splenda. How much Greek yogurt do you have to eat to get 20 g of fat? And is Splenda really clean? Just curious.0 -
Read this yesterday and really enjoyed it...I eat clean so I don't have to count calories. Sure it takes more time to prepare everything from scratch, but not having to log makes up for the difference IMO.
My guess is that you didn't read the article since this misconception is stated pretty early on...
it doesn't apply to me. I stay away from calorie dense foods such as oil. I mentioned this earlier.
If you avoid foods that have a high amount of fat, are you sure you are getting enough fat in your diet?
Fat is very important, I suggest you get in the realm of 0.35-0.45 grams per lb of body weight. So if you weigh 150 you should get a minimum of 53 grams of fat.
I get enough. I average about 20g a day.*
*per meal.
I'd like to see that with 2% Greek yogurt and Splenda. How much Greek yogurt do you have to eat to get 20 g of fat?
that was a daily average split over three meals to subtly allude to the fact that everything I have said in this thread is complete bull****. thanks for reading into it so much though, nice to know people care!
eta: nice catch on the splenda, I was wondering who was going to pick up on that!0 -
You don't have to count calories when you eat clean because you are removing things like processed carbs and fats from your diet, thus lowering the overall calorie count. The volume of the clean food will fill you up long before you eat past maintanence 90% of the time so that 10% isnt important
Really??? wrong.. i can make some really high calorie clean meals... that would put me wayyy over my calories... I just don't..
Oh ya? Like what? Unless you are adding lots of fats or a ridiculous amount of fruits then you dont have to worry
LOL my lunch today: oats, protein powder, greek yogurt, chai seeds, banana, almond milk = 526 calories. lol.
I'm already at 1400 calories planned for the day and I still have to add a protein into my dinner and decide what dessert i'll be having.. oh if i add a serving of PB to my post workout snack i'll be at 1600 already.. all clean..
Only two things on that list are clean. Oats are grains, protein powder is processed, greek yogurt is dairy and we arent designed for cow milk, and almond milk is for baby almonds.
Hence why the article stated that everyone has their own definition of what is "clean".0 -
I eat clean so I don't have to count calories. Sure it takes more time to prepare everything from scratch, but not having to log makes up for the difference IMO.
Let me guess, anything with high calories is "unclean?"0 -
Love the article. I agree on all counts.0
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Read this yesterday and really enjoyed it...I eat clean so I don't have to count calories. Sure it takes more time to prepare everything from scratch, but not having to log makes up for the difference IMO.
My guess is that you didn't read the article since this misconception is stated pretty early on...
it doesn't apply to me. I stay away from calorie dense foods such as oil. I mentioned this earlier.
If you avoid foods that have a high amount of fat, are you sure you are getting enough fat in your diet?
Fat is very important, I suggest you get in the realm of 0.35-0.45 grams per lb of body weight. So if you weigh 150 you should get a minimum of 53 grams of fat.
I get enough. I average about 20g a day.*
*per meal.
I'd like to see that with 2% Greek yogurt and Splenda. How much Greek yogurt do you have to eat to get 20 g of fat?
that was a daily average split over three meals to subtly allude to the fact that everything I have said in this thread is complete bull****. thanks for reading into it so much though, nice to know people care!
eta: nice catch on the splenda, I was wondering who was going to pick up on that!
My question is how do you know your fat intake if you're not tracking calories? Seems tracking fat would be just as time consuming...0 -
I don't use oil at all. it is too fattening.
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Must save this gif!!0 -
If I 'ate clean' and didn't track my calories I'd be over in no time.
I be eating nuts and dried fruit constantly. Lots of calories in those for the volume and they don't keep me full. They're tasty, though
Hell, who am I kidding. I'd be over eating fresh veggies and fruits. They don't keep me satisfied, either.0
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