What is your actual TDEE?
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The online calculators put my TDEE about 1830-1860 calories
This puts my TDEE -20% at about 1480.
Being that I only had about 10 pounds to lose, I set MFP to .5#/week which had me at about 1400. I lost most the weight (ate back my exercise deficit) then I tried the -10/15% and lost no weight for 6 months. I switched back to -20% and lost the last few pounds.
Maybe I mess up logging food/exercise. Maybe my body just doesn't use calories exactly like the internet predicted.0 -
I got 2500 from the above, from Liftthepizzas calculation and from the iifym's online calculator. And, apparently if I had a Fitbit rather than a Bodymedia, I would've gotten 2500 from that too. I'm convinced. :laugh:I wouldn't go by: iifym.com/iifym-calculator/. It gives me a TDEE 1867. I eat at a calorie goal of 1860 & lose weight!
Like I said earlier, this calculation came to 2180, Haybales' spreadsheet gave me 2180 and my FitBit said I burned 2190! I'd say that must be pretty close to my TDEE with all three being within 10 calories of one another. I swear by Haybales' spreadsheet!!! If you want to try the TDEE-deficit method, it's my "go to" for calculations!!!!! I'm also surprised my FitBit is as close as it is, because my general gestalt was that is was off?!
Here is the link to the spreadsheet for anyone who wants to try it:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amt7QBR9-c6MdGVTbGswLUUzUHNVVUlNSW9wZWloeUE0 -
I didn't say anything about the respiration method other than the result is not as useful in practical application.Yep I can, but what was I wrong about?
That you have to measure the food put in, for the respiration method.
That you have to measure the gas put in, for the exhaust method.
On a lighter note, that is real good height your getting on the 1 meter in your profile pic. Jackknife? I swam and dove on my High School swim team. I've also been an avid ocean diver for over 30 years. Love the water!
You can use alternative methods, but in order to control your intake/weight, you do need to measure how much food you are physically putting on your plate. So the idea is to use the process you're using all the time to perform the calculation which is going to be used to continue. All of the errors in your own methods are then calibrated directly into your result.
So while the method you're talking about may be more accurate in terms of "how many glucose molecules am I utilizing in a month" what I'm talking about is more accurate in terms of 'how many grams of Breyer's Ice cream should I put into this bowl for my late-night snack?'
I never dove on a team but my best are 1.5 pike/open pike on the one meter and 2.5 tuck on the 3 meter. (I now want to learn twisters.)
Here's me being wrong: :laugh:
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I've logged my food for over 700 days. I've never bothered to figure out TDEE though.I don't think I've ever logged my food accurately for 29 straight days. That's just insane. LOL.0 -
OK, I'm new to the TDEE thing, so someone will need to clarify for me
I did my totals for the past month, have logged for 55 days so did a period of time in the middle that would not be affected by large water losses.
Total calories consumed 39853
On average 1428cals a day
Weight lost was 8pds = 28000
Oct 1 - Oct 28 (28 days)
39853 eaten
8 lbs lost (+28000)
Total = 67853
TDEE = 2423 (67853 / 28)
If I take 25% away to lose weight I'm left with 1818cal intake each day.
However :
My BMR on Scooby's Workshop is 1831.
TDEE was 2198 (set to sedentary)
Daily Calories to lose 25% fat loss - 1648
So does that mean technically I'm still overeating, or should I be factoring in my weekly exercise into the Scoobys calculations?
As for the pointers above:
No muscle mass loss, if anything it's gained
I logged everything religiously, the good, the bad and the binges
Middle section of my weight loss progress, no big water losses
Was that BMR based on Katch using estimated bodyfat %?
Harris is badly inflated when overfat, Mifflin not as bad but still somewhat. Katch will actually be slightly deflated when overfat.
But your TDEE is likely what you came up with - for whatever the level of activity was during that time period looked at.
Keep that up if the weight is the same - same TDEE.
Lighter weight though TDEE will come down.
So you could say your TDEE is 2423 / 1831 BMR = 1.32 activity factor for this level of activity.
You keep that up, you drop weight, your estimated (true or not doesn't matter) BMR goes down, take new weight BMR x 1.32 and there is new TDEE.
Or if you kept up logging correctly, the new calculation would point out the new lower TDEE too.0 -
mines about 9 snicker bars0
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For me it would be:
Daily calorie requirement without weight loss: 3649
Minimum calorie intake: 3102 per day
No exercise/sedentary lifestyle: 2400 a day0 -
Regardless of what either of us say now, the record speaks for itself.I didn't say anything about the respiration method other than the result is not as useful in practical application.
Enjoy your diving!0 -
I don't think I've ever logged my food accurately for 29 straight days. That's just insane. LOL.
If 29 straight days is insane, what is >800 straight days? :huh:
10/23 - 11/21 = 98972 calories
Weight change (171-171 = 0)
Average TDEE = 3299
From my weight trend over this time, I suspect my last weight is actually under by two pounds. If so, then TDEE is 3065 which is consistent with my TDEE over a longer time period. (If I back out exercise, it's about 2700.)
Yay, math *is* fun!0 -
I've been doing mine this way for 10 months. I do a rolling average calculation over the previous 4 weeks on my TDEE, to smooth out any swings, and I round it to the nearest 100 calories. With my exercise levels (I average burns of 4,000-5,000 per week, so 600-700 per day), my TDEE is usually 2,100 or 2,200.
That means, of course, that IF the burn figures were correct, then my TDEE WITHOUT exercise would only be about 1,500, which is about 600-700 LESS than all of the online calculators say it is. So it's a good job I didn't trust them, or I could have been overeating by that much every day - i.e. nearly 1½ lb a week difference).0 -
I can't math. But my BMF says I burn anywhere from 2200-2800 depending on the day.0
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I said, "I don't need to measure the exhaust because I already measured the amount of gas I put in."Yep I can, but what was I wrong about?
That you have to measure the food put in, for the respiration method.
That you have to measure the gas put in, for the exhaust method.
"Don't need to measure A" != "you have to measure B."
Plus it's still not relevant or of even minor importance. Who cares about the details of technique of a hypothetical method that isn't going to actually be used. Nobody is going to wear special equipment to measure how much O2 or CO2 they inhale/exhale for an entire month.
And I'm pretty sure that would not be a good way to figure out how many calories I burned while springboard diving. :laugh:
Plus dragging around extra equipment would alter your normal activity level, NEAT and TDEE. But at least I'm having fun picturing doing deadlifts or bicycling or kayaking with that stuff in tow. :bigsmile:0 -
Don't need to calculate it. My BMF does it for me; 1900-2100 on non-exercise days, and 2200-2300 on exercise days. On active days (not necessarily days I exercise, just move more) it can be anywhere from 2400-2600.
Once I spent 12 hours walking around NYC and burned almost 3,000.0 -
Alrighty then.Don't need to calculate it. My BMF does it for me; 1900-2100 on non-exercise days, and 2200-2300 on exercise days. On active days (not necessarily days I exercise, just move more) it can be anywhere from 2400-2600.
Once I spent 12 hours walking around NYC and burned almost 3,000.0 -
Alrighty then.Don't need to calculate it. My BMF does it for me; 1900-2100 on non-exercise days, and 2200-2300 on exercise days. On active days (not necessarily days I exercise, just move more) it can be anywhere from 2400-2600.
Once I spent 12 hours walking around NYC and burned almost 3,000.
*sigh*
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I used the month of March. I lost 5 lbs that month. According to this, my Tdee for March was 2128.
I am probably eating that now, but I also am not as consistent on exercising as I was then. This is good info to have. I can plan my attack for the upcoming months.0 -
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Alrighty then.Don't need to calculate it. My BMF does it for me; 1900-2100 on non-exercise days, and 2200-2300 on exercise days. On active days (not necessarily days I exercise, just move more) it can be anywhere from 2400-2600.
Once I spent 12 hours walking around NYC and burned almost 3,000.
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I've tracked mine on rest days with a Polar FT70 Heart Rate Monitor and i currently use a Fitbit Flex 24/7 and both came in around the 2700 mark on a day when i don't intentionally do exercise above and beyond my job.
If i eat around 2600 tho i seem to gain a little bit or atleast don't lose.
2300 (exercise or not) is my sweet spot for still losing a little bit albeit much slower then i was 4 months ago and definately not gaining anything.
my intentional exercise i've toned down to be smarter then just going nuts trying to burn on paper the most calories, but it still averages out to 10 calories a minute which 30-60mins being the session lengths + i am on and off my feet most of the day clocking up around 14,000 steps (roughly 11km's)0 -
Maybe this has been mentioned, but smaller people need fewer calories so as you lose, your number will go down. Mine at everyday active, with no formal exercise is about 1500. I am 5'5" and 125 lbs. If I was 6'5" it would be a different number as would 5'5" and 300 lbs.0
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Dear everybody who didn't actually do the math OP mentioned:
Please do the math. Your BMF or HRM or Fitbit or online calculator numbers are really interesting...and all that, but you're missing the point. Assuming you've been consistently logging for the past 30ish days, you have the information you need to do this math.
I think the easiest way to do this (if you aren't using an extractor to pull the data) is to go to this link: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/reports and select calories and 30 days. Hover the mouse over each data point and it will tell you the number. Record that in excel (or some other spreadsheet of your choice). Do that for all thirty days. Then change the report to weight and check the first and last data point. Do math as indicated by OP. Report the result. You may be surprised how close (or not) it is to your other methods of estimating your TDEE.0 -
Quickie math (I rounded for ease)
November, so far, 2200 (eating at 1800, no working out, losing just over a pound a week)
October 2300
September 2350
Female, 26, 139.8 pounds as of today0 -
Math done.
2232.11
Fascinating, BMF is accurate.0 -
I'm going to post this on my wall and do it every 30 days, just to keep myself calibrated, so to speak. :flowerforyou:Dear everybody who didn't actually do the math OP mentioned:
Please do the math. Your BMF or HRM or Fitbit or online calculator numbers are really interesting...and all that, but you're missing the point. Assuming you've been consistently logging for the past 30ish days, you have the information you need to do this math.
I think the easiest way to do this (if you aren't using an extractor to pull the data) is to go to this link: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/reports and select calories and 30 days. Hover the mouse over each data point and it will tell you the number. Record that in excel (or some other spreadsheet of your choice). Do that for all thirty days. Then change the report to weight and check the first and last data point. Do math as indicated by OP. Report the result. You may be surprised how close (or not) it is to your other methods of estimating your TDEE.0 -
1694 with the maths. MFP estimates my maint at 1670. Scooby's gives me 1698. So.. all seems well.0
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In other words, the HRM and fitbit are not giving you accurate numbers. (Not surprising because those numbers are averages, if you are not average the numbers will be off. This is why it's useful to double check the predictions against observed reality.)I've tracked mine on rest days with a Polar FT70 Heart Rate Monitor and i currently use a Fitbit Flex 24/7 and both came in around the 2700 mark on a day when i don't intentionally do exercise above and beyond my job.
If i eat around 2600 tho i seem to gain a little bit or atleast don't lose.
2300 (exercise or not) is my sweet spot for still losing a little bit albeit much slower then i was 4 months ago and definately not gaining anything.
my intentional exercise i've toned down to be smarter then just going nuts trying to burn on paper the most calories, but it still averages out to 10 calories a minute which 30-60mins being the session lengths + i am on and off my feet most of the day clocking up around 14,000 steps (roughly 11km's)
(My fitbit does get me to within about +/-100 calories.)0 -
I think you can assume, like mine, that your BodyBugg is overestimating by 10%. Their own website says they are 90% accurate, so that's no surprise. So let's say the IIFYM calculation is right for you, like it's right for me. Then the rest is maybe hiding somewhere in your intake. If you're weighing and measuring everything then maybe something you always have is way off in the database?
Ok. If your TDEE were higher than that, you'd be losing weight. Your TDEE is definitely not 3000 unless you are losing over a 2 lbs a week.
1500-1800 calories..
How much are you eating on average per day?
If you are eating X amount of calories and not gaining or losing, then X is your TDEE. How else do you explain that you are not losing or gaining?I get over 3,000 TDEE most days.. ... wayyy more then any calculator ever told me..
2800 is a low day for me apparently.
Your method only works if you are actually losing weight.. I'm losing inches not weight.. there is no way i'm eating 3000 calories per day.. i weigh and log everything.
You think you burn over 3000 calories a day.... but you're eating way less than 3000 calories a day..... and you're not losing weight?
I've got some news for you..
I measure and log everything. Good, Bad or in between. I leave out nothing. So unless the calories are way off in the database (which since everyone uses the database I doubt that) It should be fairly accurate. My body bugg might over estimate a little, but I cant' imagine it's over estimating that much. I don't think I burn that much, it's what it tells me. But I am super active. Even if it's off by a few hundred I'm still way under what it says I should be eating. I did gain some weight back a few weeks ago, but it's gone now. I've also changed my workout routine and increased what I was eating, so that might have messed with things?
Where did you get the 3000/2700 from?
If you're not losing weight, you are eating at maintenance. Whatever you are eating now is your TDEE.
from my body bugg. That is only off my body for 15/20 minutes a day. - I doubt my TDEE is 1700 or less.. gives me a reading of more like 3500 on the weekends,. because I am more active when not working.
I'm not trying to,. I have no idea. Scoobies gives me 2426 if I put in very active. Even with that number I still eat more then 500 calories less everyday. Maybe TDEE is a myth.. (haha).
the IIFYM calc give me 2757 TDEE.. so not to far off what bugg says...on a light day.. If I put in everyday only (not intense) it give me 2617 and I do exercise over an hour every day.
That could be a possibility, but I still think that's unlikely.. .. It's a lot of veggies though.. My diary is open.. I check everything I log against labels and use the MFP entries not the user ones. .. Today is pretty typical of my days. If 1700 is my TDEE with all my exercise then I'm going to stop exercising. It's just not worth it.. I struggle to eat this much.. if I can eat less.. i'm all in.. I only wish I was kidding. Even if my bug is 10% off.. that still put me way above 1700, closer to what the iifym calculator says. I am still confused by all this stuff I guess. I know how to eat, I know how to exercise. but i an't put it all together for some reason..
hmm.. could I be messed up because I was eating under 800 calories for 2/3 months straight last year? and have only been consistently eating at this level for the last few months?0 -
If you are struggling to eat as much as you are, then I can't see any harm in eating a bit less and seeing what happens, (as long as it's nothing too drastic) especially being that it seems there is an overestimate in play somewhere. Being that the online calculators seems to agree with your BMF, it is probably in your intake somewhere. I have no idea whether the VLCD would still be messing with your TDEE a year later, but eating at maintenance for a while was probably a good thing, whether you meant to or not. I would say just keep tracking everything and stay consistent.
I think you can assume, like mine, that your BodyBugg is overestimating by 10%. Their own website says they are 90% accurate, so that's no surprise. So let's say the IIFYM calculation is right for you, like it's right for me. Then the rest is maybe hiding somewhere in your intake. If you're weighing and measuring everything then maybe something you always have is way off in the database?
Ok. If your TDEE were higher than that, you'd be losing weight. Your TDEE is definitely not 3000 unless you are losing over a 2 lbs a week.
1500-1800 calories..
How much are you eating on average per day?
If you are eating X amount of calories and not gaining or losing, then X is your TDEE. How else do you explain that you are not losing or gaining?I get over 3,000 TDEE most days.. ... wayyy more then any calculator ever told me..
2800 is a low day for me apparently.
Your method only works if you are actually losing weight.. I'm losing inches not weight.. there is no way i'm eating 3000 calories per day.. i weigh and log everything.
You think you burn over 3000 calories a day.... but you're eating way less than 3000 calories a day..... and you're not losing weight?
I've got some news for you..
I measure and log everything. Good, Bad or in between. I leave out nothing. So unless the calories are way off in the database (which since everyone uses the database I doubt that) It should be fairly accurate. My body bugg might over estimate a little, but I cant' imagine it's over estimating that much. I don't think I burn that much, it's what it tells me. But I am super active. Even if it's off by a few hundred I'm still way under what it says I should be eating. I did gain some weight back a few weeks ago, but it's gone now. I've also changed my workout routine and increased what I was eating, so that might have messed with things?
Where did you get the 3000/2700 from?
If you're not losing weight, you are eating at maintenance. Whatever you are eating now is your TDEE.
from my body bugg. That is only off my body for 15/20 minutes a day. - I doubt my TDEE is 1700 or less.. gives me a reading of more like 3500 on the weekends,. because I am more active when not working.
I'm not trying to,. I have no idea. Scoobies gives me 2426 if I put in very active. Even with that number I still eat more then 500 calories less everyday. Maybe TDEE is a myth.. (haha).
the IIFYM calc give me 2757 TDEE.. so not to far off what bugg says...on a light day.. If I put in everyday only (not intense) it give me 2617 and I do exercise over an hour every day.
That could be a possibility, but I still think that's unlikely.. .. It's a lot of veggies though.. My diary is open.. I check everything I log against labels and use the MFP entries not the user ones. .. Today is pretty typical of my days. If 1700 is my TDEE with all my exercise then I'm going to stop exercising. It's just not worth it.. I struggle to eat this much.. if I can eat less.. i'm all in.. I only wish I was kidding. Even if my bug is 10% off.. that still put me way above 1700, closer to what the iifym calculator says. I am still confused by all this stuff I guess. I know how to eat, I know how to exercise. but i an't put it all together for some reason..
hmm.. could I be messed up because I was eating under 800 calories for 2/3 months straight last year? and have only been consistently eating at this level for the last few months?0 -
Math done.
2232.11
Fascinating, BMF is accurate.
It can be for slight majority of users - and if they do the right exercise it is decent at estimating - you got a great tool in hand.
Some of the other posts have proved it's not always the best tool though.0
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