what is the problem with diet soda?

mustgetmuscles1

Sodium? There is only around 35-40mg of sodium in a can of soda. That is not a lot.

AlongCame_Molly

It's disgusting, that's what's wrong with it. :sick:

Other than that...nothing, I guess.

rdpapag

Dr Pepper 10 is about the most I can stand for a Diet Pop.

togmo

I have a problem with soft drinks, both real and fake - my problem is they taste yummy! I think it all stems from when I was younger and I used to get one as a treat. When I was a younger fella they were not as accessible as they are today.

There are a lot of different scare stories out there about both, sugary soft drinks will lead to diabetes, fake sugar will give you cancer, affect bone density, etc etc.

I guess no one really knows what will happen. We know too much sugar is bad for you so avoid having too much of the full strength stuff but little is really known about the adverse effects of the diet stuff. It has been around for about 50 years but has only started to be consumed in any real quantities over the last 20 or so years I would guess? This isn't really long enough to know what, if any adverse side effects there are. Who knows in time they may find that it increases the chance of cancer, or reduces bone density or who knows what but for now there is no real concrete evidence out there.

Obviously in a perfect world you would avoid drinking either. There are all sorts of people out there that believe you should be eating this, or that or only raw foods, or foods that existed when we were cavemen or any other crazy thing you want to think about. All have their merits and ideally I guess you would drink water and very little else but most people, like me, enjoy a soft drink every so often.

I try and mix it up, I have the odd full strength one (and count the calories accordingly) and have the odd diet one. I generally have the full strength one as a stand alone beverage/meal. The only diet drink I like is Pepsi Max which limits my choices. The only thing I try and do is eat food with my diet drink because I read somewhere (and I think it makes sense - as I spread another rumour with no scientific data) that your body may release insulin looking for nutrient from the sugary drink that simply isn't there if it is a diet drink. Although I do also know that they have done studies that show sections of the brain that light up when you consume a full strength drink don't light up when you consume a diet drink, so I don't really know how much truth is in my above statement or how smart the human body really is. Generally though if I am after sugar I have a soft drink in place of food whereas if I want a nice tasting drink I will have a maxi with a meal.

Well there is my 2 cents - which turned out to be a bit more...

NRSPAM

EVERYTHING causes cancer these days! I was taught in nursing school that the phosphorus, or whatever does steel calcium from your bones, or something like that, and my husband's dentist told him that as long as he didn't sip on the soda all day....like I do, his teeth would be fine, (he's had a lot of dental issues). I drink a couple cans of diet soda every day, and I can't say that I've had any problems.

ldrosophila

EVERYTHING causes cancer these days! I was taught in nursing school that the phosphorus, or whatever does steel calcium from your bones, or something like that, and my husband's dentist told him that as long as he didn't sip on the soda all day....like I do, his teeth would be fine, (he's had a lot of dental issues). I drink a couple cans of diet soda every day, and I can't say that I've had any problems.

pfft as much as you lift im sure you have bones of steel

littlelexical

Aspartame is an excitatory amino acid that affects the pituitary regulation of the ovary cycles, as someone with PCOS (and thyroid issues - as it effects that too!) - that is personally why i avoid it. I dont need anything that messes with my already messed up body

There are many other issues with it though, such as your body taking it in and responding as though it is taking in something which is sweet (and your body recognises sweet as energy source) and not finding any energy/nutrition there - which can mess with all sorts of neurological/hormonal/metabolic things.

Some info in regards to sweetners & PCOS
http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0207/q_a_with_dr_hull.php

I know there are supposedly lots ot other "bad' points to Aspartame... but... for me personally - that was enough. Sugar is also bad for PCOS - but, I would prefer to enjoy a full 'sugar,' full calorie drink if i must indulge

ninerbuff

In moderation, it's not going to pose a threat.

Just keep telling yourself that.

25 years worth of it and my labs (done yearly) show no effects. So for half my life of consuming it, you'd figure something claimed by "naturalists" would show up. I don't have to tell myself it's okay in moderation, I have actual proof from yearly visits.

Next thing you'll be telling us that meat is gonna kill us...........................oh wait.........................

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trudijoy

Some broscientists will complain about the aspartame , but you'd have to drink an obscene amount for that to affect you. Nothing wrong with a can or bottle of diet soda daily.

this. also, if you have compromised immunity artificial sweetners can affect your stomach for some reason.

my take? it's better than the sugar versions while you're working on other aspects of your health.

trudijoy

Aspartame is an excitatory amino acid that affects the pituitary regulation of the ovary cycles, as someone with PCOS (and thyroid issues - as it effects that too!) - that is personally why i avoid it. I dont need anything that messes with my already messed up body

There are many other issues with it though, such as your body taking it in and responding as though it is taking in something which is sweet (and your body recognises sweet as energy source) and not finding any energy/nutrition there - which can mess with all sorts of neurological/hormonal/metabolic things.

Some info in regards to sweetners & PCOS
http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0207/q_a_with_dr_hull.php

I know there are supposedly lots ot other "bad' points to Aspartame... but... for me personally - that was enough. Sugar is also bad for PCOS - but, I would prefer to enjoy a full 'sugar,' full calorie drink if i must indulge

I'm hypothroid and I've had on'/off coke zero habits with no ill effects. we're only talking a glass a day though.

littlelexical

I think its an individual thing, depending on why you are choosing to drink it, so long as people are informed & listen to their bodies - if there is no issues for you, that's fabulous.
Unfortunately I react quite badly to it (not just in fizzy drinks) So would prefer to make a caloric allowance for a 'sugar' option if i feel the need to indulge (once in a blue moon).

Im not in the 'dont drink it' camp - I'm just in the 'i'd prefer not to drink it' (for previously mentioned reasons) camp

ldrosophila

Aspartame is an excitatory amino acid that affects the pituitary regulation of the ovary cycles, as someone with PCOS (and thyroid issues - as it effects that too!) - that is personally why i avoid it. I dont need anything that messes with my already messed up body

There are many other issues with it though, such as your body taking it in and responding as though it is taking in something which is sweet (and your body recognises sweet as energy source) and not finding any energy/nutrition there - which can mess with all sorts of neurological/hormonal/metabolic things.

Some info in regards to sweetners & PCOS
http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0207/q_a_with_dr_hull.php

I know there are supposedly lots ot other "bad' points to Aspartame... but... for me personally - that was enough. Sugar is also bad for PCOS - but, I would prefer to enjoy a full 'sugar,' full calorie drink if i must indulge

I'm hypothroid and I've had on'/off coke zero habits with no ill effects. we're only talking a glass a day though.

I found the exact opposite cutting out calorie drinks and switching to diet +4 sodas/day helped me lose 70lbs and ultimately get pregnant this is with typical PCOS a year of amenorrhea before the weight loss. Of course if it bothers one then avoid.

trudijoy

Aspartame is an excitatory amino acid that affects the pituitary regulation of the ovary cycles, as someone with PCOS (and thyroid issues - as it effects that too!) - that is personally why i avoid it. I dont need anything that messes with my already messed up body

There are many other issues with it though, such as your body taking it in and responding as though it is taking in something which is sweet (and your body recognises sweet as energy source) and not finding any energy/nutrition there - which can mess with all sorts of neurological/hormonal/metabolic things.

Some info in regards to sweetners & PCOS
http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/0207/q_a_with_dr_hull.php

I know there are supposedly lots ot other "bad' points to Aspartame... but... for me personally - that was enough. Sugar is also bad for PCOS - but, I would prefer to enjoy a full 'sugar,' full calorie drink if i must indulge

I'm hypothroid and I've had on'/off coke zero habits with no ill effects. we're only talking a glass a day though.

I found the exact opposite cutting out calorie drinks and switching to diet +4 sodas/day helped me lose 70lbs and ultimately get pregnant this is with typical PCOS a year of amenorrhea before the weight loss. Of course if it bothers one then avoid.

I think it's one of those 'CAN' cause issues, proceed with caution until you know if you're okay with it deals.....

ajaxe432

In moderation, it's not going to pose a threat.

Just keep telling yourself that.

Most doctors will tell you that, including mine. I trust him over your and the internet's conspiratorial hunch.

If everyone were healthy, your doctor would be broke.

haha! Clever response, I have not heard this one. Very true!

OddballExtreme

I just avoid aspartame, plus it just tastes nasty.

This is why I DON'T like sugar-free ANYTHING. It leaves a horrible aftertaste in my mouth. Besides, I rarely drink soda, period, since I am diabetic and each can of regular Sprite has practically an entire meal's worth of carbohydrates.

misschoppo

From a diet perspective, if you are purely meaning calories, I guess there is nothing wrong with it as it is low cal. But there is nothing healthy or nutritious about it.

antitek

I recently read some things about diet soda and it quoted real medical studies as opposed to the nutty ones where one person had a reaction one time and it set the bar for the tin-foil wearing masses. Here's what I've learned:

1. Kidney Problems

An 11 year study at Harvard Medical school with over 3000 women shows a two-fold increased risk for kidney decline. Two 12 oz diet sodas a day will effect kidney function. Sugar-sweetened sodas cause no issues. At this point they suspect diet sweeteners are responsible.

2. Messed-up Metabolism

A study of almost 10,000 adults show even 1 diet soda per day is linked to a 34% higher risk of metabolic syndrome, more belly fat, and high cholesterol.

3. Obesity

The University of Texas Health Science Center study sows the more diet sodas a person drank, the greater their risk of becoming overweight. Two or more cans a day can increase waistlines by 500%. Artificial sweeteners disrupt the body's natural ability to regulate calorie intake based on the sweetness of foods. People are more likely to overeat because the body is being tricked into thinking it's eating sugar and you crave more.

4. Cellular Damage

Diet sodas contain mold inhibitors. Sodium benzoate and potassium benzoate. These chemicals have the ability to cause severe damage to DNA to the point they totally inactivate the mitochondria. They are linked to hives, asthma, and other allergic conditions. Sodium benzoate and potassium benzoate are classified as mild irritants to the skin, eyes, and mucous membranes.

5. Rotting teeth

Personally I think this one is stupid. They say the acid in diet soda dissolves tooth enamel. pH of diet soda is 3.2. Compared to battery acid which has a pH of 1. It sounds like a valid argument until you consider the soda doesn't have a pH any higher than that of an orange.

ajaxe432

Just read it causes unatural hair growth in different places......ru oh:huh:

Quieau

Because yeah, would the FDA EVER sell us out to corporate lobbies? NEVVVAAAAHHHH!

(HINT: The brain tumors that developed in the original testing for FDA approval were removed and the rats magically reintroduced into the studies! It's that indomitable American spirit that says, We will do as we wish regardless of who it hurts as long as it makes money!)

FDA STUDIES SHOW ASPARTAME LINK TO BRAIN TUMORS

By Dr. Betty Martini
Mission Possible International
9270 River Club Parkway
Duluth, Georgia 30097
Telephone: 770-242-2599
E-Mail: BettyM19@mindspring.com
Web Site: http://www.dorway.com


Posted: 13 April 2005


Mission Possible is seeking New York and New Jersey plaintiffs for litigation on aspartame.

ATLANTA (PRWEB) April 12, 2005 -- Consumer rights advocacy group Mission Possible is leading a campaign to fill a product liability lawsuit with New York and New Jersey residents whose brain tumors may be linked to the consumption of the artificial sweetener aspartame (NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful, etc.).

"Neither congressional hearings or repeated petitions calling for a ban have stopped aspartame manufacturers from exposing the public to this sweet poison. In fact, aspartame producers are reporting increased sales and boasting the marketplace addition of 'neotame,' a new aspartame product," explained Mission Possible International Founder Betty Martini.

For 16 years, the FDA resisted pressure to approve aspartame due to safety studies linking the artificial sweetener to numerous adverse reactions, including the development of brain tumors in animal studies. In 1977, FDA investigator Jerome Bressler released a report describing how, in clinical studies submitted to the FDA, Searle removed aspartame-induced brain tumors that developed in lab rats and placed them back into the study. If the rats died, Bressler reported, Searle would resurrect them on paper.

In a personal conversation with Martini and prominent aspartame experts, Doctors H. J. Roberts and Russell Blaylock he admitted the studies were so bad FDA removed 20% of the most damaging data of his report. Three years after Donald Rumsfeld became CEO of Searle, aspartame was approved for use in dry goods. To find out how he accomplished this feat, click into the new movie, "Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World" and hear the words of renowned Washington Consumer Attorney James Turner as he speaks about President Reagan's Executive Order: http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages/Rumsfeld2.html

Since its 1981 approval, the FDA has published a list of 92 symptoms of aspartame poisoning, which includes headaches, vision loss including blindness, seizures, neurological problems, cardiovascular problems and death. The FDA admits adverse reactions to aspartame comprise about 80 percent of consumer complaints it receives each year. Martini has been networking victims, scientists, and physicians under an umbrella of scientific data and published medical literature that has been growing since Mission Possible formed in 1992.

Having exhausted her executive and administrative remedies regarding the removal of aspartame from the marketplace, Martini is convinced that, "Litigation is the only way to spare consumers the misery of aspartame poisoning." Martini's reasoning is supported in the outcomes of recent product liability controversies. It was class action lawsuits -- not government agency intervention -- that forced the epidemic of Vioxx-induced heart attacks out into the open where the FDA had to take administrative action, banning sales of the dangerous pain relief drug. Information from the experts and in medical texts show aspartame is actually a neurotoxic drug that interacts with other drugs and vaccinations.

The story of how aspartame was discovered and approved by the FDA has been pieced together over the years through documents obtained by Mission Possible. That aspartame overcame FDA neurotoxicity concerns and is now found in over 7,000 commonly consumed foods, beverages and medical preparations is a case study of how power politics trumps science and public safety in the product approval process.

In one set of documents, aspartame producer G.D. Searle used poor people from six third-world countries as test subjects for a study conducted in 1983/84. The data shows that, over the 18-month duration of the study, some of the subjects developed brain tumors; others began to experience seizures. In one case, a pregnant woman spontaneously aborted, began hemorrhaging and then disappeared from the study.

The study showed that the numbers of people whose brains and central nervous systems are adversely affected by aspartame are statistically significant enough to warrant a review of its status as an FDA-approved artificial sweetener. But the FDA was not provided with the results of the Searle study nor was it allowed to review the clinical data.

A study was done at Kings College in England by Dr. Peter Nunn in 1999 on aspartame and brain tumors. Monsanto insisted that aspartame could not cause brain tumors because it doesn't get in the blood stream even though Martini says industry's own studies shows it does and released this information in a report, which can be read at http://www.rense.com/health3/asptumor.htm

In the result of this study it said: "Interestingly, when we exposed human brain tumor cells to nitrosated DKP the cells became more motile and their rate of proliferation was significantly elevated. While it is somewhat early to speculate, it is possible that the aspartame breakdown product may be capable of enhancing the rate of malignant progression of pre-existing (and possibly clinically silent, undiagnosed) tumors in the brain." This was exactly what the famed neuroscientist Dr. John Olney said when he made world news in l996 over the aspartame/brain tumor association.

Monsanto, the maker of the controversial bovine growth hormone that has been linked to the development of cancer in humans and cattle, bought Searle (and the rights to produce aspartame) in 1985. They sold in l999 to other companies.

The prevalence of brain tumors in the U.S. has been increasing steadily since the early 1980s. Today, about 70 percent of adults and 40 percent of children are regular consumers of products that contain aspartame.

"There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that aspartame is safe. Yet, our files are overflowing with studies and reports proving that aspartame is a not a food additive but a neurotoxic drug that breaks down to a brain tumor agent, DKP. And now, 25 years later, we have epidemic proportions of people developing brain tumors and a full spectrum of other neurological disorders," Martini said.

Aspartame's road to marketplace approval and its effect on public health is extremely well documented. The aspartame story has been described in the 1,038-page medical text "Aspartame Disease: An Ignored Epidemic" by H.J. Roberts, MD. (http://www.sunsentpress.com). Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills by neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, M.D., also describes these problems. http://www.russellblaylockmd.com

Former aspartame-induced multiple-sclerosis sufferer Cori Brackett traveled over 7,000 miles to interview physicians, scientists, attorneys and FDA investigators about aspartame neurotoxicity and how then former (and now current) Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld used his political muscle to achieve aspartame's FDA approval. The result is the powerful video documentary "Sweet Misery: A Poisoned World" (www.soundandfuryproductions.com). Also see the page at http://www.wnho.net/sweet_misery_movie.htm

The largest collection of aspartame-related studies, reports and case histories available anywhere in the world can be found online at http://www.dorway.com, the Mission Possible website. Aspartame Toxicity Center is http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame

New York and New Jersey residents who believe they may qualify as a plaintiff in a product liability lawsuit against aspartame producers are encouraged to contact Mission Possible at (770) 242-2599. To qualify, one must be able to establish themselves as an aspartame consumer prior to developing a brain tumor and fall within the three-year statute of limitations.

Contact:

Dr. Betty Martini
Founder, Mission Possible International
9270 River Club Parkway
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770-242-2599
http://www.dorway.com
http://www.wnho.net

New Aspartame Information List - click on banner on http://www.wnho.net

SOURCE: http://www.wnho.net/fda_study_asp_brain_tumors.htm

Diet_Soda

Not a darn thing!